***OFFICIAL*** 2010 Fantasy Football General Q&A

[Connoisseur]

which one?

Steve Smith (CAR) vs SF coming off a high ankle sprain and Matt Moore back at QB or M Jenkins (ATL) vs CIN?

That's a crappy choice. i've got Smith on my bench but i'm holding him till week 8 to see if he's back to snuff (injury-wise AND production-wise given the QB). If i HAD to pick, i'd probably go with Smith assuming he's playing but don't expect much out of either of them.

 

[AMDZen]

I've dropped Steve Smith, he is worthless and there are plenty of better options out there. Worst offense in the league, terrible QB's no matter who is playing - no reason to keep him on your team at all

 

[Connoisseur]

I've dropped Steve Smith, he is worthless and there are plenty of better options out there. Worst offense in the league, terrible QB's no matter who is playing - no reason to keep him on your team at all

Depends on who's on waivers don't you think? Smith certainly won't be a stud but at this point in the season, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel on waiver wires (unless there's a major injury). Once he's healthy I can certainly see him producing at least average points (7-10) on a consistent basis. Also, with a couple of exceptions, Carolina isn't playing any terribly effective defenses in the coming weeks. He'll definitely get SOME production assuming no more injuries.

 

[hofan41]

Depends on who's on waivers don't you think? Smith certainly won't be a stud but at this point in the season, you're scraping the bottom of the barrel on waiver wires (unless there's a major injury). Once he's healthy I can certainly see him producing at least average points (7-10) on a consistent basis. Also, with a couple of exceptions, Carolina isn't playing any terribly effective defenses in the coming weeks. He'll definitely get SOME production assuming no more injuries.

i think i could name more than 5 WR who would be better and more reliable than steve smith (CAR) who are likely available:

craig davis (SDG), patrick crayton (SDG), michael jenkins (ATL), steve johnson (BUF), nate burleson (DET), jason avant (PHI), anthony armstrong (WAS)

 

[JM Aggie08]

Chris Ivory, Ryan Torain, and Felix Jones. Which ones to play? Currently I have Ivory and Torain in, but Jones has been getting the ball more times than not. Torain may have some issues with the bears defense this week though.

 

[AMDZen]

In most of my leagues, even the 16 man - there are PLENTY of better options than SS Car. Mike Williams Sea and TB just to add a few more to the above.

Looking at my 16 man league there is still Danario Alexander, Buster Davis as well as nearly all of the people above.

Granted, Buster david and Patrick Crayton won't be worth as much once gates and Floyd are healthy but thats better than SS. And I'm assuming anyone who has SS only needed a WR the last 2-3 weeks when he was out or this week with all the byes. Hopefully its not one of their main 2 options.

 

[AMDZen]

Chris Ivory, Ryan Torain, and Felix Jones. Which ones to play? Currently I have Ivory and Torain in, but Jones has been getting the ball more times than not. Torain may have some issues with the bears defense this week though.

Torain and Jones. Ivory's performance last week was a fluke

 

[JM Aggie08]

Torain and Jones. Ivory's performance last week was a fluke

Keep in mind the saints are playing the browns who are notorious for being pretty terrible at football.

 

[AMDZen]

Keep in mind the saints are playing the browns who are notorious for being pretty terrible at football.

Cleveland is ranked 9th against the run and 26th against the passing game. Which one do you think The Saints are going to come out and do more of?

Chicago is ranked 17th against the run. Not too great.

 

[Connoisseur]

i think i could name more than 5 WR who would be better and more reliable than steve smith (CAR) who are likely available:

craig davis (SDG), patrick crayton (SDG), michael jenkins (ATL), steve johnson (BUF), nate burleson (DET), jason avant (PHI), anthony armstrong (WAS)

I'm not necessarily arguing your points but if you breakdown the specific WR's you mentioned:

"Craig" (i think you mean Buster?) Davis and Patrick Crayton - 3rd and 4th WR's respectively who came in due to Injury with no consistent history of great WR play. If Malcolm Floyd and Gates come back in, expect these guys to fade into the background. Sure they might produce in Week 7, but anything after that is pure speculation.

Jason Avant - Same as with the SD chaps, he's only in because of injuries. One good game does not a great (or even good) performer make. Just look at Snelling. His production is entirely contingent on the return of the 1st string.

Michael Jenkins - 1 game. He played 1 game this season. No history. It's entirely possible that he'll be super effective as a 2WR for roddy white but it's pure speculation until he pulls in consecutive games.

Steve Johnson - Assuming Buffalo doesn't get shut out (which is a distinct possibility) i agree with you here. Fitzpatrick loves him. That's why I have him as my backup WR for bye weeks.

Anthony Armstrong - He's starting as 2WR so he might be favorable going forward. Again, no real history.

Given the speculative nature of all the options you suggested, i'd much rather speculate on Steve Smith who at least has a history of being a good WR. Even still, there HAS to be somebody on the bench more disposable than Steve Smith. If that isn't the case, this guy has a monster team.

 

[gimmewhitecastles]

Cleveland is ranked 9th against the run and 26th against the passing game. Which one do you think The Saints are going to come out and do more of?

Chicago is ranked 17th against the run. Not too great.

you can speculate that the saints will build a sizeable lead in the first half and then pound chris ivory in the 2nd half for 3.4 yds/carry netting you maybe 85 yds and maybe a touch? its very possible at least.

 

[AMDZen]

you can speculate that the saints will build a sizeable lead in the first half and then pound chris ivory in the 2nd half for 3.4 yds/carry netting you maybe 85 yds and maybe a touch? its very possible at least.

You can but Ivory has had 3 weeks to perform, look at his performances against fairly good run defenses and then look at his performance last week. He is third string for a reason.

I say start the 1st string guys, Torain is clearly the best RB in Washington and has taken Portis' job, if/when he comes back or whatever. Felix might as well be the best back in Dallas as well even if he is getting vultured on his caries. Ivory will have carries vultured as well from Betts and Julius Jones. The Saints had to go get Julius Jones because Ivory and Betts are pretty terrible, even though Jones is terrible too - which says something as well.

 

[slayer202]

ivory is a good start. I wouldn't take advice from the guy who drops steve smith

 

[hofan41]

I'm not necessarily arguing your points but if you breakdown the specific WR's you mentioned:

"Craig" (i think you mean Buster?) Davis and Patrick Crayton - 3rd and 4th WR's respectively who came in due to Injury with no consistent history of great WR play. If Malcolm Floyd and Gates come back in, expect these guys to fade into the background. Sure they might produce in Week 7, but anything after that is pure speculation.

Jason Avant - Same as with the SD chaps, he's only in because of injuries. One good game does not a great (or even good) performer make. Just look at Snelling. His production is entirely contingent on the return of the 1st string.

Michael Jenkins - 1 game. He played 1 game this season. No history. It's entirely possible that he'll be super effective as a 2WR for roddy white but it's pure speculation until he pulls in consecutive games.

Steve Johnson - Assuming Buffalo doesn't get shut out (which is a distinct possibility) i agree with you here. Fitzpatrick loves him. That's why I have him as my backup WR for bye weeks.

Anthony Armstrong - He's starting as 2WR so he might be favorable going forward. Again, no real history.

Given the speculative nature of all the options you suggested, i'd much rather speculate on Steve Smith who at least has a history of being a good WR. Even still, there HAS to be somebody on the bench more disposable than Steve Smith. If that isn't the case, this guy has a monster team.

All of those WR's have better QB's throwing them the ball. How important is a QB to a WR's fantasy value? Larry Fitzgerald is the 32nd ranked WR at the position in my fantasy league.

 

[AMDZen]

ivory is a good start. I wouldn't take advice from the guy who drops steve smith

I'm 6-0 in said league so I must be doing something right.

 

[slayer202]

orton hillis and lloyd. seems you might be lucky rather than doing something right, because you are crazy for dropping smith for bowe...

 

[AMDZen]

All of those WR's have better QB's throwing them the ball. How important is a QB to a WR's fantasy value? Larry Fitzgerald is the 32nd ranked WR at the position in my fantasy league.

Exactly. Thank you, some people just don't get it.

 

[AMDZen]

orton hillis and lloyd. seems you might be lucky rather than doing something right, because you are crazy for dropping smith for bowe...

Naw I got Lloyd off wavers before others were even thinking about it. Torain was a pretty lucky grab, and Dwayne Bowe is a situational play. I won't need him once DeSean Jackson and Malcolm Floyd get Healthy. Plus I am stacked at running back.

Hillis was also a waver pickup that I got before anyone else was really picking him up because I'm a Bronco fan.

True though, being a biased Bronco fan has helped in that league.

EDIT: I have Branch too. Maybe I'll drop Bowe after the next 3 weeks or so and get SS back if nobody else grabs him, but he won't be doing much and Bowe has 2-3 EASY EASY weeks in front of him if you look at the Chiefs schedule and who they are playing against. Bad secondaries.

Oh and Orton was my backup for Schaub, I had planned to play Schaub all year - even I didn't know that Orton was as goo as he's been. Luck? Maybe but fantasy football is like Texas Hold em'. A lot more luck then people want to say it is.

 

[Connoisseur]

All of those WR's have better QB's throwing them the ball. How important is a QB to a WR's fantasy value? Larry Fitzgerald is the 32nd ranked WR at the position in my fantasy league.

A good QB is def important to make a good WR. But as I mention, none of those players would be around if the starters were healthy. If/when the starters do come back, their value diminishes MASSIVELY. Steve Smith will always be the starter (unless he gets injured again). Therefore, he's the safest play in the long term (i.e. the remaining games of the season). MOST of the players Zen mentioned will maybe produce for 1 or 2 games tops unless some news comes up. My two cents. Also I play in a PPR league so a 1WR is that much more valuable in my league.

And I'd never use my score in a Fantasy Football team as an indication of intelligence/skill. Really? I've known plenty of players who've won the league in one year and have bottomed out in the next. Fantasy Football is maybe 20-30% research and 70-80% luck (even though an inordinate amount of time is often spent on research). IMO, anyone who says otherwise is deluding themselves.

 

[hofan41]

A good QB is def important to make a good WR. But as I mention, none of those players would be around if the starters were healthy. If/when the starters do come back, their value diminishes MASSIVELY. Steve Smith will always be the starter (unless he gets injured again). Therefore, he's the safest play in the long term (i.e. the remaining games of the season). MOST of the players Zen mentioned will maybe produce for 1 or 2 games tops unless some news comes up. My two cents. Also I play in a PPR league so a 1WR is that much more valuable in my league.

To me steve smith is a slightly more reliable mike sims-walker, except he is also injured, which does not help at all. You may be right about long term, but like with mike sims walker, there will be days where you get a goose egg from him.

 

[hofan41]

EDIT: I have Branch too. Maybe I'll drop Bowe after the next 3 weeks or so and get SS back if nobody else grabs him, but he won't be doing much and Bowe has 2-3 EASY EASY weeks in front of him if you look at the Chiefs schedule and who they are playing against. Bad secondaries.

That's an excellent pickup imo. Dwayne Bowe has a chance to do what steve smith did last season with one of the best rushing tandems in the league to keep defenses honest.

 

[tontod]

Should I get Woodhead over either Jason Avant, Patrick Crayton, Mathews or Roy Williams?

 

[vi edit]

Should I get Woodhead over either Jason Avant, Patrick Crayton, Mathews or Roy Williams?

Woodhead is cool because he's a WR/RB combo in many leagues. That alone gives him an interesting bump in value. Especially if you are in a leage that doesn't have a flex spot and plays say, 3 WR's. You get a guy that has averaged like 10 points (in non PPR) a week the last 3 weeks in a WR3 position and that's a good bargain.

Crayton is in a good position...but he's got a bad case of the dropsies and that's just a wildly spuratic offense. Williams has the most upside...but a huge downside. Mathews...I just got no idea. SD offense is a mess for anyone not named Philip or Antonio.

 

[tontod]

Yeah, its a tough choice. Yes, he's a WR/RB combo in my league, and I'm in a non PPR league. I'm really hoping Mathews will light it up.

 

[AMDZen]

Should I get Woodhead over either Jason Avant, Patrick Crayton, Mathews or Roy Williams?

It depends on the rest of your team and what you might need. If you need a RB more then Woodhead, if you have more need at WR I think Roy Williams is your guy. Would need to see the rest of your team.