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JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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My jaw is still dropped.

Can't believe it hit 15. Manipulation at its finest.
 

Lamont Burns

Platinum Member
Dec 13, 2002
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I couldn't buy fast enough. It's still moving up and down... can't decide to trade the shit out of it today or just keep accumulating below 22
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
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My jaw is still dropped.

Can't believe it hit 15. Manipulation at its finest.

Didn't they do this to RMBS early last year or the year before too around this price...slamming it way down, taking out all the stops, only to then come right back? The pitfall of stops, in a nutshell.
 

PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
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Didn't they do this to RMBS early last year or the year before too around this price...slamming it way down, taking out all the stops, only to then come right back? The pitfall of stops, in a nutshell.

Yeah, its happened quite a few times actually
 

Blueychan

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Feb 1, 2008
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Didn't they do this to RMBS early last year or the year before too around this price...slamming it way down, taking out all the stops, only to then come right back? The pitfall of stops, in a nutshell.

Could this be an orchestrated raid similiar to DNDN to get some people in at 18-20ish range?
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Didn't they do this to RMBS early last year or the year before too around this price...slamming it way down, taking out all the stops, only to then come right back? The pitfall of stops, in a nutshell.

Yup, and to DNDN.

Update from court hearing

Judge Kramer confirmed the trial will start on time, yet he said he was concerned regarding the other trial he has scheduled three months from now. He said he is considering bringing in a new trial judge to try this case. Judge Kramer would continue ruling on the existing motions. Judge Kramer spoke to his boss about bringing in anther judge to be dedicated just to this trial. Rambus didn't like the idea becasue of the possibiliites of delay and because the new judge would lose all the context of the case and previous rulings would make trial a big mess. samsung and Hynix seemed okay with the idea. Surprisingly, Micron suggested that the new judge handle the other case instead of this one so Judge Krmaer could keep this case. At this point judge kramer is still thinking about it. Yet he reemphasized this trial will start on time.

In addition, judge Krmaer ruled that the statue of limitations doesn't need to be tried by judge or jury, because Rambuss' notice was sufficent that it should have investigated regardless of later deception. Rambus can bring in the pre-sol evidence for other purposes such as impeachment or witness rebuttal.
 

JS80

Lifer
Oct 24, 2005
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Of all the manipulation theories, this one pops out as somewhat plausible:

You got to admit, the hedge fund guys have a formula, it works and it sucks
Briefing warns investors so they tighten their stop losses and a few hours later, the overwhelm the sell side which results in cascading wave of downward pressure that drives the price down to the hedgies buy stop orders.

The other possibility is that there is negative news from JK and we just haven't heard about it yet. That would be a huge and very unpleasant surprise.
 

Kntx

Platinum Member
Dec 11, 2000
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Stressing out. Had to sell 75% of RMBS position. It will go up now for you guys
 

manlymatt83

Lifer
Oct 14, 2005
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In the end of 2009, I unfortunately got killed buying too many FAS puts =( I was doing ok up until then, so no major complaints, but I need to be smarter this year.

Who buys options? Volatility isn't high enough at this point to even bother me thinks. Anyone here buying a few far out puts just in case to cover their butts?
 

Kntx

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Dec 11, 2000
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I feel your pain......but the hedges wouldn't have bought back if they didn't think something was up.

Yea, that's true and I had that thought. On the other hand I don't really know what's going on and a lot of my money is in that stock. Hard to argue with a 170% gain anyway
 

Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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This is why you should never use stop losses... too much manipulation going on. Look at the RMBS chart in 2006 right before the jury ruled 42-0 in favor of RMBS.

If this was something really bad, the price wouldn't have recovered the way it did. What I saw on Level 2 was a lot of small sells by retail investors and a lot of block buying from institutions. I have to bet most of the institutions were buying, otherwise, at this volume the price would have hit below $10 by now.

I'm still listening to the courts now, report later. This should be an all day event.

"Jan. 4 (Bloomberg) -- Nasdaq MarketWatch said on the Nasdaq
Web site it’s investigating potentially erroneous transactions
involving the security Rambus Inc. executed between 1:28 p.m.
and 1:32 p.m. New York time today."

My inclination from the court proceedings so far today is Judge Kramer is really trying to push settlements. All the cards were in Rambus' hands before and that doesn't usually bode well for 100% settlements.
 
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manlymatt83

Lifer
Oct 14, 2005
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This is why you should never use stop losses... too much manipulation going on. Look at the RMBS chart in 2006 right before the jury ruled 42-0 in favor of RMBS.

If this was something really bad, the price wouldn't have recovered the way it did. What I saw on Level 2 was a lot of small sells by retail investors and a lot of block buying from institutions. I have to bet most of the institutions were buying, otherwise, at this volume the price would have hit below $10 by now.

I'm still listening to the courts now, report later. This should be an all day event.

Too late to get in?
 

SludgeFactory

Platinum Member
Sep 14, 2001
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Holy manipulation. You had to figure they were going to do it, it was just a question of when.

But this Kramer stuff is very weird. Something is up, I wish I knew what
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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fwiw, I don't begrudge selling at a small loss what I bought even tho holding it would have been awesome. I totally missed the bottom and it was a $2k+ loss at one point...getting out at a tiny loss is just a discipline rule in large loss like that (when intraday trading.)

It hurt here but it helped last year (or the year before?) when I bought rmbs at $15.50, it quickly went to 14.5, and I got out at $15.50-ish. That day it closed ~$10, all the way down from $18 or so in a very quick amount of time.
 
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The-Noid

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Nov 16, 2005
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After the close I will get some actual order info for you guys. Not sure how many shares actually traded at the extremely depressed levels. My guess is not very many.

Only 30 lots traded <19.50 according to some quick research on totalview. Could be a lot worse, will let you know after the close.
 
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PimpJuice

Platinum Member
Feb 14, 2005
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After the close I will get some actual order info for you guys. Not sure how many shares actually traded at the extremely depressed levels. My guess is not very many.

Only 30 lots traded <19.50 according to some quick research on totalview. Could be a lot worse, will let you know after the close.

Thanks Yoxxy, I'd be interested in seeing the actual numbers too
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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Nasdaq is "investigating" RMBS for 'potentially erroneous transactions'...if they rule they were erroneous (ie someone leaning on a keyboard), they may cancel ALL rmbs trades below a certain price.

This could give me a huge loss, or it could be a nice gain depending on price (or it could wash out all activity and I get my $55 back, lol.)

Hopefully people that got stopped out get their money/position back...but hopefully I don't get nailed too. They will either keep all trades, or cancel them below a certain point. Cancellations will have a significant impact to traders and firms positions that traded the selloff. They could be left long...or short at a very low price.

It can go either way...it's a waiting game (could take up to 30 minutes for a ruling but one never knows).

(if everything is cancelled <$20, I make $900...if everything is cancelled <$19, I lose $1200...otherwise I still lose $55....who said trading is gambling? )
 
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Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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Too late to get in?

No, not if you expect the trial to go in favor of RMBS, which is why I'm assuming the majority of people who follow my posts here joined the RMBS bandwagon. If you can't stomach the big moves, go invest in Coke. This isn't going to be the last time this kind of trading happens.

Stop losses are for suckers - it only makes sense for big-caps or blue chips that can't be easily manipulated. I am not saying a person who uses stop losses are idiots, but more because Wall Street is a rat-infested pool that manipulates prices to their ultimate gain.

Guys, the trial is starting NEXT WEEK. We are 4 trading days away from the biggest trial. Get your head in order. Unless the trial is delayed, and you'll hear if that happens from me if you don't see it from Fool.com, Yahoo! or IV.

RMBS is a $5 dollar stock or a $50, $100, $150+++ stock. It doesn't belong in the $20's and is only here because of the legal overhang creating an uncertain future for the company.
 

The-Noid

Diamond Member
Nov 16, 2005
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Stop losses in the case could have made sense in two circumstances on RMBS.

1.) Protecting a gain regardless of what the stock is. You want out at xxx.
2.) A very tight stop that you watch and update on a daily/hourly/minute basis to keep the VAR of the position to that of impeding news that could cause a crash. i.e. 92-97&#37; of price on up or down ticks. You want to get stopped out on a large drop but not on a small downtrend. This is done by people that sit on screens the whole day not by a buy and hold guy.
 
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