What is SH?
SH = Short S&P 500 ETF by ProShares = Reverse of SPY
What is SH?
Azurik said:BTW, I bought Feb 22.5 puts just in case armageddon hits the market while I'm away.
2) JMapleton - You calling RMBS going down and then coming back here 2 weeks later saying you were right doesn't mean much. There's plenty of people who have made great calls on the market this year. So yes, RMBS dropped $4, but so what? How much has it gone up in the past year? And what about the stock price dropping... was it necessarily due to TA? The market tanked on a whole. It's definitely not due to FA. RMBS is not invincible to the markets dropping 3% on a daily basis. If there's anything I'm interested is your opinion on RMBS as a company and as a long-term investment.
Market fell off the deep end at round 1:30 EST today.
4) Go out there and live life, we can't time the market all the time and sometimes we make bad decisions. Even with the RMBS puts as a buffer, my brokerage accounts as a whole lost around $30k or so. But just like I didn't beat myself on making a lot of money by holding, I'm not going to do the "would have, could have, should have" game while the market goes down.
Welcome back Azurik Can't imagine being off the net for so long, but I'm glad to hear you had a nice trip. What'd you do over there?
Heh, I think I've lost about half of what you've lost since the start of the year, but my net value can't be any more than 1/10 of yours, if even My portfolio is the story of an epic battle between an army of bears and the bastion of HGSI, haha. It's hard not to worry when I'm down so much, lol.
Have any advice on next steps for the dumber folks (like meeee) among us?
what is hilarious is that people are going to sell at some point and wait for a dip as the dow runs past 14,000.
Are you basing that on earnings reports, overall economic mood, government numbers,or ???
What is hilarious is that people are going to sell at some point and wait for a dip as the Dow runs past 14,000.
You think the Dow should have a 20 PE while top line is getting murdered?
Like I said, I don't care for EPS which also means PE. It is a bogus number that is overused. Like debt to equity. A company cares about paying off debt with cash. Equity has nothing to do with debt unless a company is being liquidated. And even then you care about assets and liabilites (more than just debt). Free Cash flow is a better measure of a company. For example, think of capital expenditures. Those are written off over many years. So companies that have tightened their belt might have negative EPS right now (caused by depreciation of assets) even though their mound of cash has grown (free cash flow). USG is a good example of this. They actually generated cash over the trailing 12 months and they sell drywall. USG EPS is --$7.93. And trades for $11-$12 right now.
As for 14,000+, I think in a couple of years it could happen. That's not what I said about current valuation of the S&P 500 though. And I care less abut hte voting machine that is currently running. I care about where things will be in 5 years.
I hope you are kidding about Debt/Equity. Last year's credit meltdown proved how important it is. During down markets, leverage = bankrupt.
Where are you getting $7.93 EPS for USG? What are you looking at? Look at their top line attrition, it's ugly. Look at their EBITDA, it's near break even. Their operating cash flow is basically breakeven. Construction outlook is uglier. Construction costs are down 50% from the peak.
I have a business and have $100 in cash and $900 in debt. My business is cashflow negative but its growing. I have about $400 left in capital. Will I be in business for long if the bank wont continue to subsidize my growth plan with more debt?
Yayyyy hypotheticals!
Ya, you are going down quick. You are free cash flow negative (don't even need cap ex to tell me that).
Someone needs to borrow. Lets keep this in the realm of stocks though. You have banks, convertible notes, and shareholder dilution among other tools at your disposal. Lender will look at your ability to repay. If you are really up the creak, you might need to talk to venture capitalists.
Maybe the bank shouldnt lend you any more money.
The laughable thing about USG is that they could dilute shareholder by about 50% before it would be an issue in terms of paying less than intrinsic value. That's on top of the already existing convertable note risk. (FYI: Buffett already lent USG a good chunk of money)
Need more tools to do USG justice! With inflation on the horizon, will USG sell their goods at a greater price while cap ex is unaffected by inflation? What does this mean for Free cash flow as inflation and GSP start growing at a double digit rate?
Yes, but what if economy doesn't grow and construction remains stagnant? What if market won't refinance their debt? You think Buffett will sit there and bend over while USG considers 50% dilution?
regardless, USG is not undervalued.