Official 2011-2012 NBA Playoffs Thread

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HendrixFan

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Didn't get a chance to see the game, cliffs?

Miami with 15 TOs, but 13 (13!!) of them were Boston steals.

Ugly game with both teams shooting under 40%. Refs were largely inconsistent about calling contact, pushing the game into ugly territory. Calls that were made were usually pretty late, a sign the ref was waiting for the ball to miss before making the call.

Miami crashed the boards hard, but other than that lacked intensity. Accordingly Boston ended up with more loose balls and on 2 or 3 occasions loose ball scrums turned into 3 point baskets. In a close game that made all the difference.
 

Miramonti

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When the Heat were leaving the court there was a kid yelling "GOOD EFFORT! GOOD JOB! GOOD EFFORT!" at the top of his lungs at the Heat players.

I wonder how many of them wanted to rip his head off and crap down his throat.

Good to see someone's learned sportsmanship at that age, but now he has to learn timing and tact.

The Celtics must have been the only ones in the world who thought they could make it to the finals, and now they are one home-game win away. It didn't hurt that d-rose went down, but anything can happen in the playoffs.
 

NeoV

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I heard that kid too!

Cliffs - this is the first game in the series where no one else on the Heat really stepped up offensively - LeBron/Wade got their points, but who else? No one else.

Bosh played well in limited time, look for bigger minutes from him next game.

I'm pretty sure Rondo could have taken a shit on the court, and Van Gundy would have praised him for setting a defensive trap - he had 4 or 5 nice passes, but other than that he played like shit.

Pietrus hit 2 huge shots late in the 4th.

Heat have no one to blame but themselves - if they can't even hustle and get back on defense every play - it's their own fault.

Wilbon is a moron - that was Dooling running into the back-court - Rondo was inbounding the ball...
 

JJChicken

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Miami with 15 TOs, but 13 (13!!) of them were Boston steals.

Ugly game with both teams shooting under 40%. Refs were largely inconsistent about calling contact, pushing the game into ugly territory. Calls that were made were usually pretty late, a sign the ref was waiting for the ball to miss before making the call.

Miami crashed the boards hard, but other than that lacked intensity. Accordingly Boston ended up with more loose balls and on 2 or 3 occasions loose ball scrums turned into 3 point baskets. In a close game that made all the difference.

Thanks! A part of me wants the Celtics to win for all the hard work they put in, but another part of me cannot see the Celtics beating the winner of WCF with the injures to Pierce and Allen. The Heat would make a much more competitive finals series imo, especially if Bosh returns.
 

kevman

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according to Magic Johnson, Miami doesn't have a "wheel" to win. hahaha
 

Via

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I'm pretty sure Rondo could have taken a shit on the court, and Van Gundy would have praised him for setting a defensive trap - he had 4 or 5 nice passes, but other than that he played like shit.

I guess we don't agree on much .

I think Rondo is the glue that has elevated this team. He made at least 10 key plays tonight. Probably more.
 

HendrixFan

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Bosh went for 9 and 7 in just 12 minutes. I don't think he came out there at all in the fourth (I could be wrong). I wonder if he was having issues with his injury or it was just a decision by Spo.
 

blamb425

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Celtics were just ridiculously clutch. Amazing. Garnett with the block on LeBron at the rim(!), the tip to Pietrus from Rondo, and of course, Pierce's dagger. Miami is learning what 'clutch' truly is.
 

HendrixFan

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Celtics were just ridiculously clutch. Amazing. Garnett with the block on LeBron at the rim(!), the tip to Pietrus from Rondo, and of course, Pierce's dagger. Miami is learning what 'clutch' truly is.

Don't mistake effort for "clutch" or lack thereof. If Miami played this game like they did the Indiana game 4, 5 and 6 then all of Boston's "clutch" is for naught. When I say play like they did against Indiana, I'm not talking about execution, I'm talking about effort/intensity.
 

blamb425

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Don't mistake effort for "clutch" or lack thereof. If Miami played this game like they did the Indiana game 4, 5 and 6 then all of Boston's "clutch" is for naught. When I say play like they did against Indiana, I'm not talking about execution, I'm talking about effort/intensity.

I don't think anyone doubts that the Heat have seemed relatively lost this entire series. On the other hand, the fact still stands that Boston made some huge plays when they needed them down the stretch, and there's no taking that away from them.
 

Via

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First comment on the youtube video: "can anyone confirm the kid isn't Eric Spoelstra?"

Oh my God, I just choked up my beer.

lololololololololol
 

RPD

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I want to see Boston win another championship if for no other reason than a player as competitive as KG deserves more than one ring. Guy is playing his ass off for being 36 and having a huge amount of wear on his body.
I feel the same exact way. Felt they kinda got robbed when Kendricks got hurt vs. the Lakers a few years ago.. SUCKED.

I would love to see him win another and just retire.. But the way he's been playing these playoffs makes me think he MIGHT play another year.
 

kevman

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I want to see Boston win another championship if for no other reason than a player as competitive as KG deserves more than one ring. Guy is playing his ass off for being 36 and having a huge amount of wear on his body.

No matter how great he played, he's still just a big asshole. If anything Pierce/Rondo/Allen deserve it more.
 

randomrogue

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No matter how great he played, he's still just a big asshole. If anything Pierce/Rondo/Allen deserve it more.

This. Everytime I think he is a good player he ruins it by opening his mouth.

He reminds me a lot of Bonds.
 

NeoV

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Rondo is a much bigger ass than Garnett is, at least Garnett doesn't go off on officials with chest-bumps or whipping basketballs at them
 

dougp

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Rondo is a much bigger ass than Garnett is, at least Garnett doesn't go off on officials with chest-bumps or whipping basketballs at them

You're right, he just goes up to players that are smaller than him and then talks shit and goes off on them, and tries to fight them. Then when players his size say/do something back after his trash talk, he runs like a bitch.
 

vi edit

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This. Everytime I think he is a good player he ruins it by opening his mouth.

He reminds me a lot of Bonds.

I'd rather him run his mouth and back it with solid play than yap away and be average like so many other players. Or to constantly bitch and whine to the refs for a call like so many others.

Hate the guy or not, he's been playing in the league 17 years, playing almost 40 minutes a game, and doing everything he can to will his team to win. Need defense? Sure. Miami shoots almost 20% lower with him in the game. He has a great outside shot that makes him very hard to guard off the pick and roll, and he's an 80% + free throw shooter which is very hard to find in a guy his size and ability.

He's earned a right to talk a bit of shit
 

Via

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Spoelstra is being set up as the sacrificial lamb by the media.

All of the sports talk I've heard this morning has been focused on how Doc is outcoaching the kid. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
 

Capt Caveman

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Spoelstra is being set up as the sacrificial lamb by the media.

All of the sports talk I've heard this morning has been focused on how Doc is outcoaching the kid. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

It's true though. Rivers has out coached him big time.
 

DesiPower

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Spoelstra is being set up as the sacrificial lamb by the media.

All of the sports talk I've heard this morning has been focused on how Doc is outcoaching the kid. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

Your player yells at you in the front of the whole world... you are pretty much doomed anyways...
 

vi edit

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Spoelstra is being set up as the sacrificial lamb by the media.

All of the sports talk I've heard this morning has been focused on how Doc is outcoaching the kid. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.

I think it's about 75% players, 25% coaching. And of that 25% coaching it's to find a way to properly motivate your players. Miami is a mentally weak team. They've put the notion of a championship on a pedestal...let me correct that...not one, not two, not three, not four championships...blah blah blah.

They all colluded together into superbestfriends and proclaimed to the world that they were the team to beat. The media said they were the team to beat.

They got beat.

They regrouped, put up a great regular season, and mostly plowed through the playoffs short of a couple scares. And are now looking at an even earlier exit than they did last year.

Lebron has been asked to put an entire team on him again and play ridiculous minutes, guard every position and player that's been a threat, ect. He's gassed at this point. Wade just looks completely out of it only checking in for a few quarters to make sure he still hears his name overhead.

They aren't supposed to lose and do not seem capable of dealing with teams that fight back and simply want it more.

That's where some of the coaching comes in. Call your whiny princesses out on their behavior. Suck it up, know that you are better than they are and freaking play like it. Lebron going scoreless for 8 minutes while Boston makes a massive run is just unnacceptable. You're Lebron F'n James. Put the ball on the floor and get to the basket.

Miami has no answer to Garnett. Whenever he steps on the floor Miami's offense just curls up and dies and Boston exploits the middle of the lane on almost every possession. That's a coaching problem.

But coaching only goes so far. The players wrote themselves in as champions. The media wrote them in as champs. Hell, so many of us even in this thread predicted it.

But look where they are now? Boston is simply a tougher, mature team that pulls themselves up and gets shit done when it needs to get done. Miami doesn't have that mentality and that's a player problem. A coach can only do so much. They need a veteran player that is both calm but commanding to take over, pull them together, and steer them through this.

And I don't think they have that guy on their team. Wade won a championship but he's not a leader. Lebron has nothing to show for his HOF ability to pad box scores. Bosh has barely sniffed the playoffs in his career. They just look lost and almost hopeless once their dream of a championship starts to fizzle out.

It's not fun being propped up and having to live up to expectations. It's way more fun being the underdog beating them.
 
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