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rcpratt

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while some are worse than others....dolphins, jaguars, bucs, panthers, lightning, rays, marlins, magic, heat, ALL florida pro sports teams have traditionally poor attendance... because the rest of the country has crappy fall/winter weather already... it is still summer for the next 6 months in sunny florida... no-one has the time to spend it at a pro-sports game of any kind.
That's fine reasoning, but the economy isn't. Not sure why Florida needs like three teams per sport when they can hardly sell out.
 

jalaram

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I've always been a critic of the TB fanbase. If I can attend games during the heyday of the Devil Rays, a winning team should be getting a lot more support. That said, the attendance for last night according to ESPN was 29,518 (81.9% full). The fans did come out for them and they will for the playoffs.

And being beaten badly like they were, I'm not surprised that very few stuck around for the comeback.

It's a long ass drive to the Trop, so very few fans on the Tampa side go during midweek. The Miami Marlins are getting a new field, I think. So, I'm hoping that St. Pete lets the Rays break their (idiotic) 30 yr lease. Then, they can finally build a field that's easier to get to and can help generate more revenue.
 

SP33Demon

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Fuck that. "Second wild card" means that this whole last week wouldn't have happened because both the Sox and the Rays would have been working on resting for Game 163, as would the Cards and Braves.

Let the teams with the best records into the playoffs. We don't need 4 levels of playoffs and we don't need 40% of teams going to the playoffs. This isn't the fucking NBA, and I'll definitely respect the sport a lot less if they try to become like the NBA where the playoffs last longer than the regular season and half the teams make it.

If anything, this last week has screamed "WE DON'T NEED A SECOND WILDCARD".

And we certainly don't need his proposed "no divisions" setup either. There's already too many interleague games. Worst abortion of an idea ever. I don't give a shit if he wants to try to create rivalries...you can't create a rivalry. Rivalries create themselves. Leave well enough alone. It's not even been 20 years on the current setup.

Wrong, double the wild cards and double the chance of play in games. More teams = more playoff money and excitement. The two Wild cards in each league would have a 1 game series to see who wins it. If you're bitching about an extra game, adding more value to winning your division, and making these chumps actually earn the wild card then you're not a fan of baseball.
 
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Wrong, double the wild cards and double the chance of play in games. More teams = more playoff money and excitement. The two Wild cards in each league would have a 1 game series to see who wins it. If you're bitching about an extra game, adding more value to winning your division, and making these chumps actually earn the wild card then you're not a fan of baseball.

That's a retarded idea. Then the last week or two would've just been boring. Furthermore, if I'm the wild card with the better record, I'd be pissed. I earned my spot in the postseason by having a better record than the 2nd place team, so why do I have to play a 1 game playoff with them?

Take last season for instance. Are you telling me that's it's good that a 95 win team (NYY) has to play a one game playoff with an 89 win team (BOS)??

They beat them within the same division by 6 games!!!
 

SP33Demon

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That's a retarded idea. Then the last week or two would've just been boring. Furthermore, if I'm the wild card with the better record, I'd be pissed. I earned my spot in the postseason by having a better record than the 2nd place team, so why do I have to play a 1 game playoff with them?

Take last season for instance. Are you telling me that's it's good that a 95 win team (NYY) has to play a one game playoff with an 89 win team (BOS)??

They beat them within the same division by 6 games!!!

If neither team won the division, and the Red Sox had the next best record of all the teams in the AL behind NY, then yes (which wasn't the case last year anyway). That is the penalty you'd have to pay, burning your best pitcher so you cannot use him for Game 1 of the Division Series, which is exactly what happened yesterday - the Cards had to burn Carp, the Rays Price (although Price is arguably not even their #2 this year), Red Sox Lester, and Braves Hudson. 2 Wild cards forces this to happen every year, and things would be even crazier if there were 2 or 3 way ties for Wild Card 1 or 2. Win your division or face the penalty like the 4 teams did yesterday, it's that simple...
 

Gibson486

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As a Red Sox fan, I'm kind of glad they lost as they didn't deserve it. But not to the Rays, as they won to an empty park. Pathetic. They probably won't even sell out any of the playoff games except by the visiting team's fans.

tell me about it. This has to be one of the most passionateness teams in baseball. When they were having a bad month and were up 6 games, Oritz just shrugged it off like it was nothing. Really? They had more than a dozen games left and he acts like the playoff spot is everything but guaranteed. Then you have Lackey who keeps making excuse after excuse. Dude, just man up and admit it. You are overpaid and overrated. I remember when they signed him, my first thought was "Why?". If everyone played down and dirty like Pedroia and Youk, this team would be a whole lot better. Instead, they chose to go the way of buying players who only want to give 90%.

But yeah, what does it matter? The Red Sox are a cash cow. They will always have next season to sell out tickets to scalpers so they can sell it "fans" who do not even now what a mound is. Game rain out? Ahhh shucks, just come down, enjoy our over priced watered down beer and over salted popcorn while we make the rain out announcement 1 hour after the proposed start time when in fact, you knew very well there was no chance the game was ever going to be played at all.
 

Capt Caveman

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tell me about it. This has to be one of the most passionateness teams in baseball. When they were having a bad month and were up 6 games, Oritz just shrugged it off like it was nothing. Really? They had more than a dozen games left and he acts like the playoff spot is everything but guaranteed. Then you have Lackey who keeps making excuse after excuse. Dude, just man up and admit it. You are overpaid and overrated. I remember when they signed him, my first thought was "Why?". If everyone played down and dirty like Pedroia and Youk, this team would be a whole lot better. Instead, they chose to go the way of buying players who only want to give 90%.

But yeah, what does it matter? The Red Sox are a cash cow. They will always have next season to sell out tickets to scalpers so they can sell it "fans" who do not even now what a mound is. Game rain out? Ahhh shucks, just come down, enjoy our over priced watered down beer and over salted popcorn while we make the rain out announcement 1 hour after the proposed start time when in fact, you knew very well there was no chance the game was ever going to be played at all.

Yeah, I have been slowly been turned off by baseball due to the lack of economic constraints like the other leagues even though it would hurt more than help Boston. And this year's team, I couldn't care for and watched almost no games and the first year since I can remember where I didn't go to a game. Even if they had won, they would have lost against the Rays today.

Carl Crawford unwillingness to play in a doubleheader due to a stiff neck last week to Lackey's bs antics and excuses for a miserable year. Theo hopefully goes as he's sucked as a GM rolling out such a crap team with the budget he has been given and the overpaying for players - Drew, Crawford, Lackey, Dice-K, etc when other teams weren't even pursuing that hard.
 
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drebo

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If neither team won the division, and the Red Sox had the next best record of all the teams in the AL behind NY, then yes (which wasn't the case last year anyway). That is the penalty you'd have to pay, burning your best pitcher so you cannot use him for Game 1 of the Division Series, which is exactly what happened yesterday - the Cards had to burn Carp, the Rays Price (although Price is arguably not even their #2 this year), Red Sox Lester, and Braves Hudson. 2 Wild cards forces this to happen every year, and things would be even crazier if there were 2 or 3 way ties for Wild Card 1 or 2. Win your division or face the penalty like the 4 teams did yesterday, it's that simple...

Ok, so you're campaigning to throw the last 10 days of excitement in the toilet in favor of having that level of excitement for one day?

What are you, Bud Selig's fucking secratary or something?
 

rcpratt

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I'm not going to get into this wild card debate too much, but I will say that Selig is an idiot, and something about an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

If you think the past month, and last night in particular, is "broke," I don't know what to tell you.
 

basslover1

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I've always been a critic of the TB fanbase. If I can attend games during the heyday of the Devil Rays, a winning team should be getting a lot more support. That said, the attendance for last night according to ESPN was 29,518 (81.9% full). The fans did come out for them and they will for the playoffs.

And being beaten badly like they were, I'm not surprised that very few stuck around for the comeback.

It's a long ass drive to the Trop, so very few fans on the Tampa side go during midweek. The Miami Marlins are getting a new field, I think. So, I'm hoping that St. Pete lets the Rays break their (idiotic) 30 yr lease. Then, they can finally build a field that's easier to get to and can help generate more revenue.

There was probably 20k left by the time the game ended.
 

Capt Caveman

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I'm not going to get into this wild card debate too much, but I will say that Selig is an idiot, and something about an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

If you think the past month, and last night in particular, is "broke," I don't know what to tell you.

He's messed-up the game more than helped it. The sooner he leaves as a commissioner the better.

Turning an eye to steriods.
Friggin All-Star Game counting towards WS Home Advantage
Fear of Instant Reply
Unwillingness to curb the time of games
 

AMDZen

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Woooooooooooo

Fuck the Red Sox

Yeaaaaaaaaaaa

Baseball Karma sucka'z

Wooooooooooo

The only thing better would have been for the NYY to miss the playoffs as well. Ahhh, how I dream of the day both Boston and NY miss the playoffs. Go Baltimore !
 

Capt Caveman

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Woooooooooooo

Fuck the Red Sox

Yeaaaaaaaaaaa

Baseball Karma sucka'z

Wooooooooooo

The only thing better would have been for the NYY to miss the playoffs as well. Ahhh, how I dream of the day both Boston and NY miss the playoffs. Go Baltimore !

Looks at Rockies.
 

SP33Demon

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Ok, so you're campaigning to throw the last 10 days of excitement in the toilet in favor of having that level of excitement for one day?

How would there be less excitement with the possibility of a 2, 3, or even 4 way tie for Wild Card 1 and 2 in both leagues? If anything it would ratchet up the excitement in a lot more cities because of even more uncertainty.

Also, last I heard Selig was against another wild card and the player's union was for it. Like I give a dam about Selig.
 

Perknose

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... it is still summer for the next 6 months in sunny florida... no-one has the time to spend it at a pro-sports game of any kind.

Yup. That's why no one goes to Phillies games in June, July and August up here. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. The Phillies and Eagles sell out every game anyway.
 

Perknose

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Please moran. Orioles magic? Yeah, that's the WS for you guys in the last 30+ years. The Rays played against AAA pitching tonight and had David Price pitching. And if you had a brain, I said they didn't deserve it due to having the worst fans in the game.

Not sure what's worse for you, being a Orioles fan and having one of the worst owners in the game or living in Seattle and dealing with the pathetic Mariners.

Wow, you sound bitter and angry. Did something bad happen to the team you root for recently?
 

actuarial

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I'm not going to get into this wild card debate too much, but I will say that Selig is an idiot, and something about an old saying, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

If you think the past month, and last night in particular, is "broke," I don't know what to tell you.

While I would usually agree, you can't use a single season as the only judge as to why something would/wouldn't work.

Last year, the new system would have significantly added to the suspense in the AL, where the closest race into the playoffs was SIX games. Not only the playoff game, but the race to be the second team in that game.

Not to say the new system is better, but just because it would have taken the suspense out of this year's race doesn't mean it wouldn't have improved many other years.
 

Capt Caveman

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Wow, you sound bitter and angry. Did something bad happen to the team you root for recently?

Not really. Again, they deserve to win. But if he's going to insult me for his poor reading comprehension skills, expect to be called a moran.
 

jalaram

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There was probably 20k left by the time the game ended.

Ahhh, I didn't know that. I made that comment based on the other poster's opinion. I assumed that the fans left. That they stayed actually makes me happy.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping this year's series against Texas turns out differently.

Here's the matchup:
J. Shields
W-L: 16-12
ERA: 2.82 K: 225

C. Wilson
W-L: 16-7
ERA: 2.94 K: 206

The 16-12 is misleading IMHO because of the lack of run support. However, Texas is super hot and it'll be a tough series for the Rays.

Go Rays.
 

AMDZen

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Looks at Rockies.

Exactly. Which is why all I have to look forward to is these other teams failure.

I would actually rather see the NYY and Sox both miss the playoffs then see the Rockies make it. I am barely a fan of baseball, and it would bring me more pleasure to see the pain of all these bandwagon fans around here - and across the country - that believe being a fan of one of these two teams is the only option.
 

Numenorean

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Looks at Rockies.

Soooo much went wrong this season. We seriously need some pitching fixes.

If DeLaRosa is back, plus Pomeranz keeps progressing and Chacin fixes his issues and gets back to what he was doing in the first half of this season, that would go a long way. Get rid of Cook. Not sure about White, he hasn't impressed too much so far. If Nicasio somehow can be back that would be nice.

We need to fix third base.

The games have been painful to watch the last part of the season since we were throwing out a B team - though I know they need to see how some of these kids perform.
 

Capt Caveman

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I wasn't paying attention but why were the Rockies looking to trade your Ace pitcher this season. Isn't he young and still making cheap money?
 

Numenorean

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I wasn't paying attention but why were the Rockies looking to trade your Ace pitcher this season. Isn't he young and still making cheap money?

They weren't just looking, they did trade him. To Cleveland. They apparently felt they could get the best value at that time for him, and he was not pitching very well this season. He went 4-4 with a 5.10 ERA in Cleveland (6-9 4.46 with us). Still too early to decide whether we got screwed or not, or we both just didn't go anywhere with the trade.

I don't really like the trade, but time will tell I guess. If Jimenez bounces back next year then it would suck for us, but if he doesn't well then maybe it wasn't so bad. Just really sucks because I liked the guy and got the commemorative bobblehead on the 1 year anniversary of his no-hitter this season.

Pitching was just horrible for us this season, partially shown by how many starters we have had:

Ubaldo Jimenez already discussed.
Aaron Cook - 3-10 6.03 ERA - Sucks. Hard.
Jason Hammel - 7-13 4.76 ERA - Not so wonderful.
Jhoulys Chacin - 11-14 3.62 ERA - Not bad, has a few things to fix.
Esmil Rogers - 6-6 7.05 ERA - Not going to cut it.
Jorge DeLaRosa - 5-2 3.51 ERA - But then tommy john surgery needed...sucks.
Alex White - 2-4 8.42 ERA - Needs lots of work.
Kevin Millwood - 4-3 3.98 ERA - Surprising, he's been a good replacement.
Juan Nicasio - 4-4 4.10 ERA - Started showing some real promise, then gets nailed by a ball.
Drew Pomeranz - 2-1 5.4 ERA - Shows real promise.
Clayton Mortensen - 2-4 3.86 ERA - Meh.
Greg Reynolds - 3-0 6.19 ERA - Just a few starts to fill in really.

I think that's all our starters this season....could even be one more or so.

Our bullpen has been awesome overall. Starting pitching killed our season because when the offense was not on fire, the pitchers couldn't pick them up. And when the offense was on fire, sometimes the pitching gave up so many runs that any team would be hard pressed to come back from.
 

Capt Caveman

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You know what's funny is that Kevin Millwood was in the Red Sox AAA team for most of the year and we let him go. Sure could have used him in Sept. Another stupid decision by Theo Epstein.
 
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