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SP33Demon

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Ahhh, I didn't know that. I made that comment based on the other poster's opinion. I assumed that the fans left. That they stayed actually makes me happy.

Meanwhile, I'm hoping this year's series against Texas turns out differently.

Here's the matchup:
J. Shields
W-L: 16-12
ERA: 2.82 K: 225

C. Wilson
W-L: 16-7
ERA: 2.94 K: 206

The 16-12 is misleading IMHO because of the lack of run support. However, Texas is super hot and it'll be a tough series for the Rays.

Go Rays.

I'm taking Big Game James all the way. Texas picked a bad time to run into the Rays.
 
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while some are worse than others....dolphins, jaguars, bucs, panthers, lightning, rays, marlins, magic, heat, ALL florida pro sports teams have traditionally poor attendance... because the rest of the country has crappy fall/winter weather already... it is still summer for the next 6 months in sunny florida... no-one has the time to spend it at a pro-sports game of any kind.
Up until 2 years ago every Bucs games was sold out starting from 1999, when the new stadium was built. 2 years ago just happens to coincide with the time when the economy got to its worst point in this area and it still hasn't recovered to any significant degree. The same thing happened with the Magic in Orlando. Now it might be coincidence that the economy tanked at the same time as the attendence, but I doubt it.
 

Numenorean

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You know what's funny is that Kevin Millwood was in the Red Sox AAA team for most of the year and we let him go. Sure could have used him in Sept. Another stupid decision by Theo Epstein.

He knows how to pitch. He's not going to be a lights out, blazing fastball, Cy Young candidate pitcher. But he will give you quality starts all the time, and go deep into a game, give you a chance to win. Pitch to contact, not walk many, sure give up a few runs, but he's been great.
 

zinfamous

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by the way, is Buster Olney just a separate identity for Patton Oswalt?

they have the exact same voice--just noticed that.
 
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While I would usually agree, you can't use a single season as the only judge as to why something would/wouldn't work.

Last year, the new system would have significantly added to the suspense in the AL, where the closest race into the playoffs was SIX games. Not only the playoff game, but the race to be the second team in that game.

Not to say the new system is better, but just because it would have taken the suspense out of this year's race doesn't mean it wouldn't have improved many other years.

Yeah, but it's a one game playoff, correct? So one of the wild card teams might be significantly better than the other wild card team, yet still miss the 4 team playoff because they lose just one stinking game.

For example, last season 2010. The Yankees are in the same division as the Red Sox and beat them by 6 games. But then with these new rules, they have to play them again in a one game playoff to determine who moves on?

2009: Red Sox win the wild card at 95 wins and 3rd best record in the AL. Under the new rules, they would have to play a one game playoff with the fucking Rangers, an 87 win team. You think the Rangers, who played in an inferior division as well, and 8 games back of the Red Sox, deserve to be in a position to knock the Sox out of the playoffs? Stupid.

One of the things people say in defense of the new rules is, "If you want to make the playoffs, win your division!" But here's a novel idea, if you want that 4th playoff Wild Card spot, then have a better record than the other wild card contenders in your fucking league.

If you want to add more postseason spots to increase the number of contending teams, then you're going to have to do a lot better than a stinking 1 game wild card playoff
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
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Yeah, but it's a one game playoff, correct? So one of the wild card teams might be significantly better than the other wild card team, yet still miss the 4 team playoff because they lose just one stinking game.

For example, last season 2010. The Yankees are in the same division as the Red Sox and beat them by 6 games. But then with these new rules, they have to play them again in a one game playoff to determine who moves on?

2009: Red Sox win the wild card at 95 wins and 3rd best record in the AL. Under the new rules, they would have to play a one game playoff with the fucking Rangers, an 87 win team. You think the Rangers, who played in an inferior division as well, and 8 games back of the Red Sox, deserve to be in a position to knock the Sox out of the playoffs? Stupid.

One of the things people say in defense of the new rules is, "If you want to make the playoffs, win your division!" But here's a novel idea, if you want that 4th playoff Wild Card spot, then have a better record than the other wild card contenders in your fucking league.

If you want to add more postseason spots to increase the number of contending teams, then you're going to have to do a lot better than a stinking 1 game wild card playoff

Well another of the proposals was to make it 3 games but I like the 1 game better because it favors the hotter team and more importantly, adds a minimal amount of days to the schedule if there was a tie. Last night was the epitome of teams getting hot and cold at the right time.

Just because you have a better record doesn't mean you're a better team and the Rays proved that for the last 3 weeks. If a 95 win team has to play an 87, then it shouldn't be a problem for them to win an extra game. If they choke, oh well, it's baseball and what makes it exciting... make them prove they belong. One extra sudden death game shouldn't be that big of a deal if they're that much better.
 
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Well another of the proposals was to make it 3 games but I like the 1 game better because it favors the hotter team and more importantly, adds a minimal amount of days to the schedule if there was a tie. Last night was the epitome of teams getting hot and cold at the right time.

Just because you have a better record doesn't mean you're a better team and the Rays proved that for the last 3 weeks. If a 95 win team has to play an 87, then it shouldn't be a problem for them to win an extra game. If they choke, oh well, it's baseball and what makes it exciting... make them prove they belong. One extra sudden death game shouldn't be that big of a deal if they're that much better.

I don't feel like arguing this out too much more, but there's a reason why every playoff series goes 5/7 games. The Rays were the better team for the season, because they have the better record!! Should the team that's hot at the right moment deserve the playoffs more than a team that's been more consistent and steady throughout the season? Isn't that why you play all those games?
 

thegimp03

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To me, yesterday was the second best day in baseball ever. Everything that I wanted to happen, happened. It was amazing.
 

basslover1

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Up until 2 years ago every Bucs games was sold out starting from 1999, when the new stadium was built. 2 years ago just happens to coincide with the time when the economy got to its worst point in this area and it still hasn't recovered to any significant degree. The same thing happened with the Magic in Orlando. Now it might be coincidence that the economy tanked at the same time as the attendence, but I doubt it.

Couple that with most "floridians" (I was born here with parents from NY) being displaced northerners and you end up with a small fan base. Let's not forget either that for nine seasons the Devil Rays were one of the worst teams in baseball. Another 3-5 seasons of winning records and playoff appearances you'll see the fan base grow. Probably not to the size of the Sox or Yanks, but the Rays also don't have 100+ years of history to support them either.
 

Fear No Evil

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Couple that with most "floridians" (I was born here with parents from NY) being displaced northerners and you end up with a small fan base. Let's not forget either that for nine seasons the Devil Rays were one of the worst teams in baseball. Another 3-5 seasons of winning records and playoff appearances you'll see the fan base grow. Probably not to the size of the Sox or Yanks, but the Rays also don't have 100+ years of history to support them either.

Exactly. You also have support split with the Marlins as well.
 

BUTCH1

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As a Red Sox fan, I'm kind of glad they lost as they didn't deserve it. But not to the Rays, as they won to an empty park. Pathetic. They probably won't even sell out any of the playoff games except by the visiting team's fans.

I moved my cherished 1967 ball signed by Tony Conigliaro into the closet, this was the most underachieving (exception J. Elsbury) team I can remember in my 50 years a a Sox fan. At least those teams lost to legitimate competition, (Card's w/Bob Gibson, The Big Red machine), coughing up 2 losses to the horrific O's is just plain loser-ville..
 

basslover1

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Exactly. You also have support split with the Marlins as well.

I think they actually have worse attendance than the Rays. Which is weird, Miami is a town full of Latinos and Hispanics, and they love baseball. Though, they're probably all Yankees fans anyway.

Watch out for the Marlins the next couple of years, with that new stadium, they'll finally get some decent revenue. With the Marlins playing all this time at Sun Life Stadium (where the Dolphins play football), they didn't get any revenue from ticket sales and possibly concessions. With them opening up in the new stadium next season, they'll be a really good team in a few years. Heck, they were pretty good this year, they just hit a string of bad luck with that 17-game losing streak.
 
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