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chipy

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Feb 17, 2003
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I now have $216,300 lying around

The European crisis has me a little nervous, I feel better with short term stuff right now and staying fairly liquid I typically have 30% in high yield bonds too...

Pliable, how did you muster all that cash to begin with? Was it all made from stock market profit over the years or also supplemented with cash from your job?

i think you, Azurik, and Felix have been very financially successful... congrats to you all! hope to be there someday myself
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Pliable, how did you muster all that cash to begin with? Was it all made from stock market profit over the years or also supplemented with cash from your job?

i think you, Azurik, and Felix have been very financially successful... congrats to you all! hope to be there someday myself

I saved it, am 50 years old, a bit older than most here... Nothing beats the time/value function of saving money and compound interest...

You young ones have an incredible opportunity to get rich, all you have to do is be frugal and do things like drive used cars. My parents grew up during the depression and were very careful with their money, I'm a lot more free with my cash than they ever were, but compared to my peers, I live like a pauper, for now, when they retire they're screwed and locked into an expensive lifestyle. I was also fortunate to have a job that is stable. Current gig is insane, I broke six figures for the year last month as an RN (but I work a ton of hours too) Also factor in that I was/am a single custodial parent that never collected child support.

The nice thing is that while most my age are freaking out trying to save cash for retirement, I can relax a bit, and enjoy life.
 
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Pliablemoose, right on, man. I'm 21 and I've got about $7k in my stock account. I put nearly all of my money into that account and try to be very frugal with my expenditures (especially since my only real hobby is computer hardware, but my rig's pretty damn nice and will be for the time being)
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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I was 30, and freshly divorced, poor as hell and paying child support and a mortgage, and a good friend sat me down and told me I was a fool for not saving money, and that I had a chance to salvage my retirement, I took him seriously, and started making a game of saving money....

My biggest bitch right now is finding a woman that's done the same thing. Went on a date Friday that included a $180 meal, and she expects trips overseas and shit...

Just kill me now.... Although she had big tits and that somehow made everything better
 

jessieqwert

Senior member
Jun 21, 2003
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Anyone else shorting NFLX? I'm debating if I should exercise my December puts now or let them ride. Thoughts?
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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Anyone else shorting NFLX? I'm debating if I should exercise my December puts now or let them ride. Thoughts?

Why would you exercise December puts now and not just offer/sell them? (unless they are that far in the money that there is no premium in the call anymore...in which case good for you. ) Always a good discipline to take some of one's profits after getting a huge move in one's favor.
 

Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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You do know that when you post an appeal bond its only a percentage of the face value, right? You are overconfident and I think may be deeply disappointed if things dont go your way. :'(

I don't, and I don't think so.

I read the Californian statute, which is Section 917.1 of the California Code of Civil Procedure.

It states courts do not have discretion to waive the requirement of a bond as the condition of a stay, or even to require a bond smaller than the prescribed 150% of the amount of the verdict. Nothing came up with suggesting that the bond is a percentage of the verdict. In fact, in an earlier decision for RMBS in a different California court, Hynix loss to Rambus required them to post a 150% bond in cash and collateral on their South Koren fab building.

If you have something that shows this percentage as it relates to this civil case, please let me know.

Regarding my over confidence in Rambus... that's debatable, but I'm not living in delusion with this stock. I expect a favorable verdict, but I've said again and again here, that my trades will all depend on the verdict amount and any/if there are punitive damages.
 
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SunnyD

Belgian Waffler
Jan 2, 2001
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I don't, and I don't think so.

I read the Californian statute, which is Section 917.1 of the California Code of Civil Procedure.

It states courts do not have discretion to waive the requirement of a bond as the condition of a stay, or even to require a bond smaller than the prescribed 150% of the amount of the verdict. Nothing came up with suggesting that the bond is a percentage of the verdict. In fact, in an earlier decision for RMBS in a different California court, Hynix loss to Rambus required them to post a 150% bond in cash and collateral on their South Koren fab building.

If you have something that shows this percentage as it relates to this civil case, please let me know.

Regarding my over confidence in Rambus... that's debatable, but I'm not living in delusion with this stock. I expect a favorable verdict, but I've said again and again here, that my trades will all depend on the verdict amount and any/if there are punitive damages.

You're not understanding how bonds in litigation terms work.

Most "bond" procedures stipulate that the "bond" is for 10-25% of the actual value stated, as a good faith gesture. If you default on your bond obligation then you are due the remaining balance immediate, usually in the form of judgement and lien.

Micron/Hynix will, according to your statute quoted, likely have to put up 10%-25% of the 150% verdict amount in bond while they appeal. Still quite a large chunk of money, but the way this works - it's designed so that the litigant isn't forced out of business or causes major financial hardship while appealing.
 

Kntx

Platinum Member
Dec 11, 2000
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Any predictions for tomorrow? Will the market be perceived as oversold and bounce back? Will the slide continue? I think we'll lose another 75-100 points on the Dow tomorrow, then have a rebound and end the week slightly down.

I picked up EPV (ProShares UltraShort MSCI Europe) on friday to hedge last week's gains against a slide. I plan to exit tomorrow or wednesday.
 

Azurik

Platinum Member
Jan 23, 2002
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You're not understanding how bonds in litigation terms work.

Most "bond" procedures stipulate that the "bond" is for 10-25% of the actual value stated, as a good faith gesture. If you default on your bond obligation then you are due the remaining balance immediate, usually in the form of judgement and lien.

Micron/Hynix will, according to your statute quoted, likely have to put up 10%-25% of the 150% verdict amount in bond while they appeal. Still quite a large chunk of money, but the way this works - it's designed so that the litigant isn't forced out of business or causes major financial hardship while appealing.

Thanks SunnyD, that clears it up.

So in a different light, if Micron/Hynix doesn't have the cash and must post a bond... even if it is 10%-25% of the verdict, that's still a lot of money, and even then, what bond surety entity would even consider insuring them for that big of an amount? Getting a bond isn't a guarantee correct?
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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I saved it, am 50 years old, a bit older than most here... Nothing beats the time/value function of saving money and compound interest...

You young ones have an incredible opportunity to get rich, all you have to do is be frugal and do things like drive used cars. My parents grew up during the depression and were very careful with their money, I'm a lot more free with my cash than they ever were, but compared to my peers, I live like a pauper, for now, when they retire they're screwed and locked into an expensive lifestyle. I was also fortunate to have a job that is stable. Current gig is insane, I broke six figures for the year last month as an RN (but I work a ton of hours too) Also factor in that I was/am a single custodial parent that never collected child support.

The nice thing is that while most my age are freaking out trying to save cash for retirement, I can relax a bit, and enjoy life.

And I thought you were a young'un...

I'm set for life coming from an incredibly cheap family. Habits have brushed off...
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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You're not understanding how bonds in litigation terms work.

Most "bond" procedures stipulate that the "bond" is for 10-25% of the actual value stated, as a good faith gesture. If you default on your bond obligation then you are due the remaining balance immediate, usually in the form of judgement and lien.

Micron/Hynix will, according to your statute quoted, likely have to put up 10%-25% of the 150% verdict amount in bond while they appeal. Still quite a large chunk of money, but the way this works - it's designed so that the litigant isn't forced out of business or causes major financial hardship while appealing.

I thought this was something everyone knew already, thats why I mentioned it. Oh well, life is a learning process, so an appeal is inevitable either way. :'(

To quote a guy who hung around here once...."everyone knows this".
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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I don't, and I don't think so.

Regarding my over confidence in Rambus... that's debatable, but I'm not living in delusion with this stock. I expect a favorable verdict, but I've said again and again here, that my trades will all depend on the verdict amount and any/if there are punitive damages.

Well thats good to know. When people lose a sizable amount on a single bet (excluding yourself), or they dont realize the amount they anticipated from an investment when they thought it was a sure thing (excluding yourself) it sometimes brings about depression and maybe even suicidal thoughts. Ive been the victim of my own overconfidence many times and have been burned pretty bad before.

Im not kidding when I say that overconfidence is deadly.
 
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chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
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There comes a time when a choice needs to be made whether to accept the risk of an action with exceptional potential. Many people do not have the inner strength to accept such risk. Some people do and only a subset of those are successful.

Azurik is taking a calculated risk with his investment in Rambus that will be life changing either way. This shows he has the strength to accept such risk. Although the acceptance could be based on naivety (for anyone, not focused on Azurik).

I am taking a similar risk in my life right now that is "All or Nothing" and could either set me up for life or damage my life to a formidable extent. I left work two years ago to start a business with a partner and work full time developing intellectual property while writing several patent applications to hopefully protect this intellectual property. If my patent applications are granted, my life will be set and I can sell or licence that intellectual property, or develop and sell the products as I wish. If my patent applications are not granted, I will have lost 3-4 years of my life chasing a big pipe dream; losing my opportunity cost in the process, at an amount over $300k for lost work time and spending my savings; and losing the additional opportunity of pursuing education in database administration to make the professional jump from a programmer to an administrator.

Azurik's risk is similar, I think. Not everyone is ready to accept such risk and it is not for those with delicate stomachs.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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There comes a time when a choice needs to be made whether to accept the risk of an action with exceptional potential. Many people do not have the inner strength to accept such risk. Some people do and only a subset of those are successful.

Azurik is taking a calculated risk with his investment in Rambus that will be life changing either way. This shows he has the strength to accept such risk. Although the acceptance could be based on naivety (for anyone, not focused on Azurik).

I am taking a similar risk in my life right now that is "All or Nothing" and could either set me up for life or damage my life to a formidable extent. I left work two years ago to start a business with a partner and work full time developing intellectual property while writing several patent applications to hopefully protect this intellectual property. If my patent applications are granted, my life will be set and I can sell or licence that intellectual property, or develop and sell the products as I wish. If my patent applications are not granted, I will have lost 3-4 years of my life chasing a big pipe dream; losing my opportunity cost in the process, at an amount over $300k for lost work time and spending my savings; and losing the additional opportunity of pursuing education in database administration to make the professional jump from a programmer to an administrator.

Azurik's risk is similar, I think. Not everyone is ready to accept such risk and it is not for those with delicate stomachs.

Not to disagree, but imo it's easy to take a big risk when you're passionate about something (such as you and Azurik are.) Passion brings out a unique confidence, drive, and resilience that are important to have when taking such risks.

The hardest for many people is simply finding something they are so passionate about.
 
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It doesn't take risk to do well in investments. It takes patience and a willingness to occasionally sit on your hands and do nothing. People often don't realize that the decision to do nothing is still a decision.

That is my biggest failure investing wise. Something that I hope to correct going forward.

Anyone willing to buy USG for under $8 isn't the winner. Those willing to wait for $8 are the winners. ZI started at $17 when I thought it was worth $25. Realized later that it is worthcloser to $19. DCAed at $11 and 3 more times for less than $9. All I have to do now is decide to do nothing.
 

chusteczka

Diamond Member
Apr 12, 2006
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That was a good point on the passion aspect above. I had forgotten that factor since I am in a low point where I have been rethinking my decisions to pursue my current direction.

Another good point with the decision to sit and wait. I have been so convinced of a bear market that I have been selling at the 10%-15% profit range and sold most of my stock holdings before last week. For example, with OCZ, I sold at an 18% gain a few weeks ago at $5.70 just before it continued on up to $7 for another 40%. Last week's market surge surprised me greatly.

I did not mean to put down those unwilling to take such risk and see how my post may read that way. Everyone's situation is different where many people have obligations such as family that create the need to avoid such risk.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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It doesn't take risk to do well in investments. It takes patience and a willingness to occasionally sit on your hands and do nothing. People often don't realize that the decision to do nothing is still a decision.

That is my biggest failure investing wise. Something that I hope to correct going forward.

Anyone willing to buy USG for under $8 isn't the winner. Those willing to wait for $8 are the winners. ZI started at $17 when I thought it was worth $25. Realized later that it is worthcloser to $19. DCAed at $11 and 3 more times for less than $9. All I have to do now is decide to do nothing.

Such as making one's first stock trade ever, buying aapl at 14...selling it at 19. :'(

I don't follow this thread much but I think Azurik is very strong. He's sticking to his guns and seems to be keeping perspective along the way amidst a lot of volatility, and I certainly hope it all works out exceptionally well for him.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Alright, I'm out. Think I'll just hold cash for a bit, probably going to miss a big jump but I OK with just my 3%.

Looks like I got out almost at the peak. Definitely not going to sell through my broker, they took about $100 each time.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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Seriously sitting on my hands now. Just pulled out another chunk of my money today. Keeping minimal longs with 2/3 of my money in cash. Waiting for crashy crashy with Greek referendum, one investment firm going bankrupt, Italy fuxxoring...
 

Pliablemoose

Lifer
Oct 11, 1999
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Just a heads up for those that might be a brain damaged trader like me, some leveraged ETF's:

BGZ
MWN
TZA
ERY
FAZ
TYP
DPK
EDZ

I traded FAZ a little today, and if the market collapses as I suspect it will, there's some $ to be made here...

Definitely not for the faint of heart, and be damn careful, the leveraged ETF's can really damage your portfolio if you're wrong... Short trades only and if you're like me, in and out in the same day if at all possible...
 

manly

Lifer
Jan 25, 2000
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Definitely not for the faint of heart, and be damn careful, the leveraged ETF's can really damage your portfolio if you're wrong... Short trades only and if you're like me, in and out in the same day if at all possible...
considering your post from this morning, is this trading or dating advice?
 
Mar 10, 2006
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Seriously sitting on my hands now. Just pulled out another chunk of my money today. Keeping minimal longs with 2/3 of my money in cash. Waiting for crashy crashy with Greek referendum, one investment firm going bankrupt, Italy fuxxoring...

You got it, brah. Enjoy the sales!

Just bought 150 shares of AMD @ $5.48.
 
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