Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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So now that the nba is over and the nfl is starting in a few months what nfl team are you nut huggers/bandwagon fans going to root for?
Or do you wait till midseason and see who's looking like a championship contender then choose?
 
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They can either continue to make millions of dollars for playing a game, or they can retire winners...



You gotta spend money to make money. Without LBJ, getting a huge media deal would be impossible. Firing LBJ's friend, who just helped earn Miami 2 straight championships might piss LBJ off. LBJ has history of moving...

Never mind. The smell of Lebron's nuts on your chin is too much to bear.
 

Ban Bot

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That's game.. Lebron's shaken whatever demons he's had at this point. An all time great

I dunno, based on page 88-90 of this thread (through Q3 of Game 6) I don't think most will ever give it up. The critics just get quiet for a while and wait for the next failure to point out how over rated Lebron is.
 
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Great series. I'm not sure the Heat can do it again, but its hard to argue with two rings in two years.

No it's a really easy argument when the chosen 1 has to find a superteam to get his ring. It's a disgrace to the teams that built from the ground up and won championships with the fans that were there all along.
 

preslove

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Never mind. The smell of Lebron's nuts on your chin is too much to bear.

You're not the stupidest poster in this thread, but it's close

derp derp derp, Tim Duncan should retire after an having all star season and a great performance in the NBA finals. Jesus Christ, you're an idiot.
 

Axon

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No it's a really easy argument when the chosen 1 has to find a superteam to get his ring. It's a disgrace to the teams that built from the ground up and won championships with the fans that were there all along.

Every team that wins uses trades, the draft, and free agency. Don't go so hive mind.

I'll agree that Miami's fan base could leave a bad taste in the mouth of other, psychotic fan bases, but that's been true since that team started up in like 1992.
 

preslove

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if you mean tanking the 96-97 season to get duncan then that's honorable right there. oh hey guys, lets's not try not to play for our paying fans so we can improve our draft position.

Yup.

Also, let's not forget how Tony Parker slept with the WIFE OF A TEAMMATE! But, LBJ is the scumbag . I mean, he raped that woman in Colorado, right? Wait, that was Kobe....

Lebron may have a huge ego, but there are so many worse people in the NBA that it makes it obvious that singling him out is just simple envy. Every single hater here would love Lebron if he "decided" on their team.
 
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lupi

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At least you're taking the conductor spot on the hater bandwagon. A shame your spurs probably won't even be in the top 4 next year.

As far as miami, they could use a PG and/or center; of course you could say the same thing about every other team.
 

QueBert

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No it's a really easy argument when the chosen 1 has to find a superteam to get his ring. It's a disgrace to the teams that built from the ground up and won championships with the fans that were there all along.

So what exactly should one do when they're on a team that isn't blessed with championship caliber players? The Spurs have always had Parker, Ginobli & Duncan. And before they had Robinson and other players. The Lakers did the same thing when they brought Shaq in, but nobody complains about that. James played for the Cavs who literally had the worst record in the league the year after he left. It's STUPID for the potential GOAT to play out his career on a super sub standard team that would never win a ring. Imagine if Jordan played his entire career with the Clippers. Outside of him the they were exact same team. There would be no rings, and people wouldn't talk about Jordan in the light they do.

Jordan was fortunate to have a team of great players, he didn't win rings because he was great, he won because he was great and his teammates were too. Let me ask you a question, if James had stayed in Clevland and they brought in Wade & Bosh would you still have a problem? Because teams make big trades all the time. Like Melo & Staudimire.
 
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JTsyo

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That's the end of SA big 3 IMO. Duncan and Ginobili should retire. They don't have another finals run in them. They can hang on and be shells of themselves or retire after what was a successful season.

What? Duncan can't retire until he passes down the knowledge to the next SA big man. SA just needs to pick up a new big man to run 2 like the old days.
 

Axon

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Yup.

Also, let's not forget how Tony Parker slept with the WIFE OF A TEAMMATE! But, LBJ is the scumbag . I mean, he raped that woman in Colorado, right? Wait, that was Kobe....

Lebron may have a huge ego, but there are so many worse people in the NBA that it makes it obvious that singling him out is just simple envy. Every single hater here would love Lebron if he "decided" on their team.

This has always been shocking to me. LBJ is, by all accounts, a good dude. Big ego? Sure. But he's a family man who takes care of his boys from back home.

You've got a league full of rapists (Kobe), murderers (Jason Williams), thugs (Stephen Jackson, Zach Randolph, Lance Stevenson [assault charges]), and all around jerk offs (Jason Richardson, Rafer Alston (wife beating), Mario Chamlers, Michael Beasley (google these two), Birdman (unknown hard drug use), Delonte West (carrying a small arsenal while riding a three wheeled bicycle??), Metta World Peace (Wife beating), Jason Kidd (wife beating), Gilbert Arenas (cap in yo ass).

Not to mention other sports like the NFL with rapists and murderers...Ray Lewis killed that dude, for sure, and Aaron Hernandez probably did as well. Rothlisberger was seen dragging a 125 lb woman into the bathroom by her hair , and he subsequently had his bodyguard stop anyone from entering. And he beat that case, which, by the way, was the second rape accusation he's faced before he turned 30. Still, no one cares now.

And yet, people are okay with these guys and hate LBJ because he decided at 25 that he was tired of living in Ohio and wanted to play with his boys. What a dick right??
 
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darkewaffle

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What? Duncan can't retire until he passes down the knowledge to the next SA big man. SA just needs to pick up a new big man to run 2 like the old days.

I don't know how he was in the regular season really but Splitter seemed like more of a liability than anything else vs the Heat ><
 

Blackjack200

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Just to summarize...

In the last 2 seasons the Heat have played five elimination games. They won all five and LeBron James has been the best player by far in each of them, including a performance in Game 6 of the 2012 ECF that was simply legendary.

2012 - NBA MVP
2012 - NBA Finals MVP
2012 - NBA Championship
2012 - Olympic Gold
2013 - NBA MVP
2013 - NBA Finals MVP
2013 - NBA Championship

This is a sublime moment in basketball. James does not turn 29 for another six months!

Jordan never took 7 games in an NBA finals.

Basketball is a joke now.

Jordan also never carried a team on his back to the finals, he always had Grant and Pippen, and later Rodman.

And btw,

'91 to '94 Pippen and Grant >>>>>>>>>> Bosch and Wade this year.

Just to be clear, Jordan is still well ahead of Lebron in the GOAT conversation. I'm just pointing out that that the standard James is held to is asinine.

No it's a really easy argument when the chosen 1 has to find a superteam to get his ring. It's a disgrace to the teams that built from the ground up and won championships with the fans that were there all along.

Superteam? Is it a "superteam" because it has Mr. 0/6 Chris Bosch? Or Dwyane Lemme-Show-Up-For-Like-Three-Games-This-Postseason Wade?

No one had a problem with the Celtics or Lakers building teams through free agency.
 

preslove

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This has always been shocking to me. LBJ is, by all accounts, a good dude. Big ego? Sure. But he's a family man who takes care of his boys from back home.

You've got a league full of rapists (Kobe), murderers (Jason Williams), thugs (Stephen Jackson, Zach Randolph, Lance Stevenson [assault charges]), and all around jerk offs (Jason Richardson, Rafer Alston (wife beating), Mario Chamlers, Michael Beasley (google these two), Birdman (unknown hard drug use), Delonte West (carrying a small arsenal while riding a three wheeled bicycle??), Metta World Peace (Wife beating), Jason Kidd (wife beating), Gilbert Arenas (cap in yo ass).

Not to mention other sports like the NFL with rapists and murderers...Ray Lewis killed that dude, for sure, and Aaron Hernandez probably did as well. Rothlisberger was seen dragging a 125 lb woman into the bathroom by her hair , and he subsequently had his bodyguard stop anyone from entering. And he beat the case. No one cares now.

And yet, people are okay with these guys and hate LBJ because he decided at 25 that he was tired of living in Ohio and wanted to play with his boys. What a dick right??

Ray Allen didn't kill anybody, but he was friends with those who did. Roethlisberger probably raped a girl, though, so yeah.

Lebron's only crime is getting the fuck out of Ohio and leaving a TERRIBLE team. If the cavaliers had been run even half as well as the Spurs, LBJ would have won a championship there. But, the owner was a fucking idiot, and after re-signing with them once, Lebron wisely moved on. He could have done it better, sure, but his main mistake was not leaving cleveland after his rookie contract was up, really. If he had gone to a competently run team first chance he got, he might have more than 2 rings right now.

If leaving in a bad fashion after giving a team 7 years to craft a good supporting unit is the worst thing LBJ does, he'll be a fucking saint by NBA and pro sports standards.
 
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Blackjack200

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This has always been shocking to me. LBJ is, by all accounts, a good dude. Big ego? Sure. But he's a family man who takes care of his boys from back home.

You've got a league full of rapists (Kobe), murderers (Jason Williams), thugs (Stephen Jackson, Zach Randolph, Lance Stevenson [assault charges]), and all around jerk offs (Jason Richardson, Rafer Alston (wife beating), Mario Chamlers, Michael Beasley (google these two), Birdman (unknown hard drug use), Delonte West (carrying a small arsenal while riding a three wheeled bicycle??), Metta World Peace (Wife beating), Jason Kidd (wife beating), Gilbert Arenas (cap in yo ass).

Not to mention other sports like the NFL with rapists and murderers...Ray Lewis killed that dude, for sure, and Aaron Hernandez probably did as well. Rothlisberger was seen dragging a 125 lb woman into the bathroom by her hair , and he subsequently had his bodyguard stop anyone from entering. And he beat that case, which, by the way, was the second rape accusation he's faced before he turned 30. Still, no one cares now.

And yet, people are okay with these guys and hate LBJ because he decided at 25 that he was tired of living in Ohio and wanted to play with his boys. What a dick right??

I was talking to my uncle, who is usually pretty level headed after the Heat's 2012 championship and he said something like "Well, LeBron certainly deserved it"

I responded saying "Yeah, and he really seems like a good guy"

My uncle just shook his head and said "Just because someone's good doesn't mean you have to like them."

IDK what it is. Yes, I understand that "The Decision" turned people off, as did the preseason celebration, but how long are we going to kill him for that? At what point do we move on and say "Okay, that was a mistake, but the guy has been pretty classy for the last couple of years, and his rap sheet is pretty light compared to some other guys."
 

Axon

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Just to summarize...

In the last 2 seasons the Heat have played five elimination games. They won all five and LeBron James has been the best player by far in each of them, including a performance in Game 6 of the 2012 ECF that was simply legendary.

2012 - NBA MVP
2012 - NBA Finals MVP
2012 - NBA Championship
2012 - Olympic Gold
2013 - NBA MVP
2013 - NBA Finals MVP
2013 - NBA Championship

This is a sublime moment in basketball. James does not turn 29 for another six months!



Jordan also never carried a team on his back to the finals, he always had Grant and Pippen, and later Rodman.

And btw,

'91 to '94 Pippen and Grant >>>>>>>>>> Bosch and Wade this year.

Just to be clear, Jordan is still well ahead of Lebron in the GOAT conversation. I'm just pointing out that that the standard James is held to is asinine.



Superteam? Is it a "superteam" because it has Mr. 0/6 Chris Bosch? Or Dwyane Lemme-Show-Up-For-Like-Three-Games-This-Postseason Wade?

No one had a problem with the Celtics or Lakers building teams through free agency.

Pippen is bizarrely underrated. He was so incredibly good. Players from that time often say Scottie was a better defender than Michael because he was bigger, and that Scottie could finish with the left better than Michael.

During the 1992 Olympics, Chuck Daly was noted as saying that "as long as Scottie and Michael were out there, it didn't matter who else was on the floor."
 

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The extraneous off the court or off the field stuff does matter as your view of an athlete is shaped, even if you try not to let it influence you.

At the end of the day though, Lebron should be appreciated for what he does on the floor. Jordan was a better scorer but there has never been a player that does every thing so well and so much as Lebron. You can point at someone who was a better passer, better defender, whatever. But nobody has come as close to mastering the game in ALL of it's facets as Lebron has. If you truly are a fan of the sport and not just a casual observer then Lebron is amazing to watch. The quality of play and dynamism you see each night is something you won't see often. Enjoy it while it lasts because it will be a long time before we see another one like him again.
 

Farang

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The extraneous off the court or off the field stuff does matter as your view of an athlete is shaped, even if you try not to let it influence you.

At the end of the day though, Lebron should be appreciated for what he does on the floor. Jordan was a better scorer but there has never been a player that does every thing so well and so much as Lebron. You can point at someone who was a better passer, better defender, whatever. But nobody has come as close to mastering the game in ALL of it's facets as Lebron has. If you truly are a fan of the sport and not just a casual observer then Lebron is amazing to watch. The quality of play and dynamism you see each night is something you won't see often. Enjoy it while it lasts because it will be a long time before we see another one like him again.

Great example of this was when he become a 3-point threat in the first half of the game. Just started nailing them. Through the game he basically morphed into Danny Green, Tim Duncan, or Tony Parker whenever the moment suited him.

I guess I kind of get the hate, though.. I hated Jordan in his prime. Because I was a Sonics fan. Without a team now I don't hate.

I don't see how people can criticize Lebron for going to Miami.. Jordan's career was very similar except they brought the talent to him. Earlier in his career he was also not capable of carrying a bad team to a championship.
 

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if you mean tanking the 96-97 season to get duncan then that's honorable right there. oh hey guys, lets's not try not to play for our paying fans so we can improve our draft position.

How did they tank? Robinson hurt his back then broke his foot, a problematic injury for big men. Sean Elliot missed over half the season. All they had was a 37year old Nique. Of course they would be bad.

But the Spurs didn't even have the worst record, they had the 3rd worst. Statistically they didn't have the highest odds of the pick, Boston did. They just got lucky.
 

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The people that want to rank Lebron against Jordan or anyone else are jumping the gun. He is only 28 years old and has 4-5 years of his prime left. Who knows what he will accomplish in that time, or if some injury completely renders him useless?

Lebron is certainly no underdog as he was blessed with a physical toolset that nobody else has had. I can see where the natural inclination alot of people have for the underdog would not root for him.

Next season should be about rest for these guys. They shouldn't try for long winning streaks or anything like that. Lebron should average 34 minutes a game and have people talk about his drop in numbers like it matters. Steve Kerr talked earlier this year about how exhausting 3 straight Finals trips were and how they were on fumes by the end of it. He believed that the Bulls wouldn't have won four straight (either time) and that history incorrectly sees Jordan as having won six straight. Both retirements came at just the right time. Teams just can't play that many games each year while their opponents aren't doing so.
 

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So what exactly should one do when they're on a team that isn't blessed with championship caliber players? The Spurs have always had Parker, Ginobli & Duncan. And before they had Robinson and other players. The Lakers did the same thing when they brought Shaq in, but nobody complains about that. James played for the Cavs who literally had the worst record in the league the year after he left. It's STUPID for the potential GOAT to play out his career on a super sub standard team that would never win a ring. Imagine if Jordan played his entire career with the Clippers. Outside of him the they were exact same team. There would be no rings, and people wouldn't talk about Jordan in the light they do.

Jordan was fortunate to have a team of great players, he didn't win rings because he was great, he won because he was great and his teammates were too. Let me ask you a question, if James had stayed in Clevland and they brought in Wade & Bosh would you still have a problem? Because teams make big trades all the time. Like Melo & Staudimire.

you're forgetting the elbow "injury" and the rumors and overall quitting on the team in 2010 (Celtics series).
 
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