Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

[Red Storm]

Fines will not work. Flops are done because they are perceived, rightfully so, to advantage the flopper. Fines, particularly at 5k, don't change that equation.

Flops need to have a negative impact in a winning/losing sense for their abuse to stop. As longs as flops advantage the flopper in a winning/losing sense, as I believe they do, then the most ardent competitors are somewhat justified in their use IMO. I don't know what a meaningful disincentive for flopping would be, but I know 5k is squat in regular season and especially playoff ball for a lot of these athletes.

Refs can't compete with the speed, tenacity, and cunning of the the top athletes in the NBA. I think you just accept they are biased, human, and make mistakes and enjoy around that. A great player ought to be able to play the ref environment in any given game as well as he can shoot a free throw, refs are at least as important (due to their imperfections to be polite) in the result of games.

That's true, I would gladly take a 5k fine if it meant a slightly better chance of winning (especially in the playoffs).

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Fines will not work. Flops are done because they are perceived, rightfully so, to advantage the flopper. Fines, particularly at 5k, don't change that equation.

Flops need to have a negative impact in a winning/losing sense for their abuse to stop. As longs as flops advantage the flopper in a winning/losing sense, as I believe they do, then the most ardent competitors are somewhat justified in their use IMO. I don't know what a meaningful disincentive for flopping would be, but I know 5k is squat in regular season and especially playoff ball for a lot of these athletes.

Refs can't compete with the speed, tenacity, and cunning of the the top athletes in the NBA. I think you just accept they are biased, human, and make mistakes and enjoy around that. A great player ought to be able to play the ref environment in any given game as well as he can shoot a free throw, refs are at least as important (due to their imperfections to be polite) in the result of games.

It's worth noting that in this specific case (at least with James and West), no foul was called on the play where the players flopped. Even if the refs get it wrong from time to time, they can still get it right too.

 

[007ELmO]

the refs have been going on rewind this whole series trying to get stuff right, it's weird. someday you're going to get an additional flagrant called from rewind and get a player suspended...would not have happened in the past. then again it was a lot harder to get a flagrant in the past (talking jordan years). These guys are wimps nowadays.

 

[Miramonti]

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/5/29/4376802/joey-crawford-the-nbas-worst-referee-the-daily-win

Both fined.

(btw, is that the fosury flop?? lol)

In addition to James and West, they nailed Stephenson for exaggerating Allen's arm shove.

I was skeptical at first but am all for these fines. The money isn't discouragement as much as the embarrassment for being called out by the nba, and having to answer media questions about it afterwards.

 

[007ELmO]

can we get wade embarrassed at least once? jesus he's sliding around on the floor more often than not. read that sentence again and try to deny it.

 

[jman19]

can we get wade embarrassed at least once? jesus he's sliding around on the floor more often than not. read that sentence again and try to deny it.

You're right. I called out LeBron earlier, but Wade is much, much worse. One of the biggest crybabies in the game. When he's not rolling around on the floor he's shouting at the refs.

 

[HendrixFan]

The fines stiffen and eventually lead to suspensions for flopping.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine

Violation 2: $10,000 fine

Violation 3: $15,000 fine

Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

 

[dougp]

The fines stiffen and eventually lead to suspensions for flopping.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine

Violation 2: $10,000 fine

Violation 3: $15,000 fine

Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

The thing is, they're really not doing much about it. There needs to be an actual penalty in the game - make it like a power play, where you can be removed from play for 30-60 seconds and your team plays a man down. We've only seen individuals chastised for it a single time so far, and it's doubtful anyone would make it to 5 flops.

 

[manly]

The fines stiffen and eventually lead to suspensions for flopping.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine

Violation 2: $10,000 fine

Violation 3: $15,000 fine

Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

IIRC the average NBAer grosses about $5M per season. Even $30k per incident, tax-deductible is not much of a deterrent.

Honestly I think fans are complaining way too much about "flopping", this is not nearly as bad as in association football. Obviously some players are trying to (over)sell contact but you rarely see instances like Tony Allen writhing on the ground trying to earn an Emmy award, and successfully forcing overtime in the process. Despite the poor acting, that was already a legitimate hard foul and nearly a flagrant 1 anyway. While very few fans like to see "cheating" rewarded, he did what he thought was needed to win a game and it actually worked. Thankfully I don't think the recent fines were for flops that impacted the outcome in any way.

 

[007ELmO]

Pacers accusing Battier of "going for the knees":
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...pacers-accuse-shane-battier-going-their-knees

and battier bullshitting his way out of being a flopper:
"In a perfect world, we'd all love to be stoic, immovable forces where the force of very large men throwing themselves into you doesn't affect you," Battier said. "Yeah, that'd be great. But unfortunately, there's a thing called physics involved that seems to win out more often than not."

man what would coach K say about that....

 

[Miramonti]

Pacers accusing Battier of "going for the knees":
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/201...pacers-accuse-shane-battier-going-their-knees

and battier bullshitting his way out of being a flopper:
"In a perfect world, we'd all love to be stoic, immovable forces where the force of very large men throwing themselves into you doesn't affect you," Battier said. "Yeah, that'd be great. But unfortunately, there's a thing called physics involved that seems to win out more often than not."

man what would coach K say about that....

What can one expect when someone has little to no game left without being gifted wide open 3's and their flops and fake charge calls in their favor.

 

[007ELmO]

David West is annoying. Dude misses a layup and complains about being fouled. This guy reminds me of lebron, damn, except he has very diminished skills. Don't miss a fucking layup!

And this game we suddenly see Haslem again when he was a no show last game in their loss. In game 3 he was on fire. What the hell is up with this change of game plans after you demolish a team?

 

[007ELmO]

Hey, let's fine chalmers. he just acted like he died and stayed back on D, 2 seconds later the heat steal the ball, pass it to chalmers, and he cans it. pussies on this team.

 

[007ELmO]

Man hibbert is bringing oldschool back. he needs to stop taking jumpers, and make people remember patrick ewing days

paul george showing up.

i have no idea why birdman and haslem are playing more now when they ripped the pacers up in game 3, then played nothing in game 4.

do tyler hansborough rocks. birdman is going to get a flagrant, you don't fuck with tyler hansborough.

 

[Fingolfin269]

lol birdman. I wonder what the definition of 'excessive' is?

 

[007ELmO]

the number of tattoos on his body, if you just count the ones on his left arm?

the thing is hansborough won't react to that kind of nonsense, he actually listened in school. unlike battier. what a piece of shit team the heat is.

 

[TecHNooB]

The fines stiffen and eventually lead to suspensions for flopping.

Any player who is determined to have committed a flop during the 2013 Playoffs will be subject to the following:

Violation 1: $5,000 fine

Violation 2: $10,000 fine

Violation 3: $15,000 fine

Violation 4: $30,000 fine

If a player violates the anti-flopping rule five times or more, he will be subject to discipline that is reasonable under the circumstances, including an increased fine and/or suspension.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NAmlj3tWx0

 

[vi edit]

lol birdman. I wonder what the definition of 'excessive' is?

Excessive is usually a direct shot to the head or an obvious malicious move to injure another player. This was a cheap shot but not "excessive".

Lame that it was a double T but that's just how these things usually play out.

 

[007ELmO]

dude, i will put $1000 down that birdman is suspended the next game . guaranteed vi edit.

Hansborough did shit, he got hit 3 times. Once down to the floor. One in a chest to chest bump, second a shove with 2 hands. he's gone. you don't watch enough nba. any other player (i.e. wade? lebron? battier? ) would have fallen to the floor 3 times. give props to hansborough for something, he's not that great of a player othrewise.

that first blindside hit can injure anyone, imagine if you hit that norris cole boy on the other team like that? he would have ended up past half court spinning headstands on that idiotic hair. nba jam style.

 

[Miramonti]

I loved birdman before he got to the heat, but you know how much of a bunch of pansies the heat are when birdman is the enforcer. What do you get from a faux enforcer?...someone who tries to take tyler hansbrough out of his game instead of someone like hibbert or george. :biggrin:

He plays a bit like Rodman, trying to play physical and get under the skin of others, except Rodman would go after studs like Mourning and Karl Malone, even shaq sometimes (albeit would get his @ss kicked here )

 

[vi edit]

Regular season, maybe. Playoffs tend to let a few more things slide.

 

[007ELmO]

Homecourt advantage.
Miami with only 3 personal fouls so far, 2 minutes until the half. Fuck the NBA.

Vogel taking time outs with 2-3 minutes remaining in quarters. Very good idea, must have heard through the grapevine that his team has been performing horribly closing quarters out. lol

 

[007ELmO]

Regular season, maybe. Playoffs tend to let a few more things slide.

True, it's also on hansborough. Anyone of significance, he's gone. Just like the Bulls nazi muhammad on lebron, gone immediately. If he did that to Hibbert, definitely gone.

 

[007ELmO]

this game is tied at 40, because lance stephenson is a turnover machine. he is horrible handling the ball! the only thing he's good at is driving the basket on fast breaks!

 

[007ELmO]

Hibbert totally changes the game, Lebron drove to the basket - got scared, stopped, passed to wade - wade passes out of bounds. Does lebron ever tell the truth? Hibbert didn't even move or put his hands up, just one step in front of lebron and he was scared. This guy does not have the offensive moves of jordan, please no more comparisons!

Tells Cleveland his mission is to win a championship for the city, and he'll stop at nothing (except make a visit to Miami for most of his career to rack up 7 rings, first).

Hibbert doesn't change how he plays.

He doesn't flop.

Must figure lying has got himself where he is in life...no need to tell the truth. He's a great NBA player for sure.