Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

Page 52 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

007ELmO

Platinum Member
Dec 29, 2005
2,051
36
101
2002-2003: 21.3 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 2.7 blocks, 0.6 steals.
2012-2013: 21.3 points, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 3.2 blocks, 0.9 steals.
D::thumbsup:

It's amazing how much mathematics can control games, so many differentials in games and yet those stats are almost exactly the same in a 10 year span.
 

Red Storm

Lifer
Oct 2, 2005
14,233
234
106
It's amazing how much mathematics can control games, so many differentials in games and yet those stats are almost exactly the same in a 10 year span.

No doubt, Duncan is the best PF to ever lace them up. Though I'd say he's also one of the most fortunate players in that he's always had a solid group of good team mates playing with him. From David Robinson and Avery Johnson to Manu and Tony, I don't remember Duncan ever having to play with scrubs. Good for him. :thumbsup:
 

darkewaffle

Diamond Member
Oct 7, 2005
8,152
1
81
I never liked the Spurs much (something about Parker and Ginobli put me off them) but Duncan is the man. Really good read.
 

almightyobo

Member
Mar 25, 2013
125
0
0
Duncan's numbers have nothing to do with Pop, outside of time management. Those are only his Per numbers, but his numbers have gone down due to playing less minutes.

what.

he's a machine cuz Pops is his engineer. He keeps him running in top performance by doing things such as limiting his minutes and resting him before crucial games, even if it gets him into trouble with the league

not taking anything from Timmy lol.. but give some credit to Pops..
 

dougp

Diamond Member
May 3, 2002
7,950
4
0
No doubt, Duncan is the best PF to ever lace them up. Though I'd say he's also one of the most fortunate players in that he's always had a solid group of good team mates playing with him. From David Robinson and Avery Johnson to Manu and Tony, I don't remember Duncan ever having to play with scrubs. Good for him. :thumbsup:

'05 and '07 weren't exactly stellar rosters outside of the Big 3 & Bowen.
 

dougp

Diamond Member
May 3, 2002
7,950
4
0
what.

he's a machine cuz Pops is his engineer. He keeps him running in top performance by doing things such as limiting his minutes and resting him before crucial games, even if it gets him into trouble with the league

not taking anything from Timmy lol.. but give some credit to Pops..

Pop gets a lot of credit, don't worry. Without Pop, though, Duncan's numbers would probably be higher because he'd be carrying a team since the Celtics (assuming he went there) haven't had the best player development.
 
May 13, 2009
12,333
612
126
'05 and '07 weren't exactly stellar rosters outside of the Big 3 & Bowen.

Compare those rosters to what Dirk has had to work with. I will admit Duncan is a better power forward than Dirk but Dirk is a lot more fun to watch.
 
May 13, 2009
12,333
612
126
Btw the spurs have the best front office in basketball. Look at their drafts and all they have got out of the poor draft positions they've had. They've hit on more late first round and second round guys than anyone and its not close.
 

almightyobo

Member
Mar 25, 2013
125
0
0
Spurs are the perfect example of how a small market team should operate

glad to see them in the finals again

Game 7 gonna be so entertaining tonight though!
 

dougp

Diamond Member
May 3, 2002
7,950
4
0
Compare those rosters to what Dirk has had to work with. I will admit Duncan is a better power forward than Dirk but Dirk is a lot more fun to watch.

Dirk had some good rosters, though - he had issues with coaching and the front office more than Duncan ever had to deal with. Dirk is one of my favorite players, and probably one of the best shooter's the league has seen.

Btw the spurs have the best front office in basketball. Look at their drafts and all they have got out of the poor draft positions they've had. They've hit on more late first round and second round guys than anyone and its not close.

And this is what's made them who they are, as well as humble vets knowing their place and wanting to be good roleplayers - i.e. Finley, Barry, Horry, Bonner, Diaw, etc.

The only thing that frustrates me is how they've dealt with Blair, but you can't have everything.
 

lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
32,539
260
126
Excluding the bad pass game, pacers haven't won a game this series where the refs didn't play a big impact on the outcome. And miami has all the statistical anomalies going their way.
 

HendrixFan

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2001
4,648
0
71
Excluding the bad pass game, pacers haven't won a game this series where the refs didn't play a big impact on the outcome. And miami has all the statistical anomalies going their way.

Home crowds usually go a long way to influence refs. Miami usually has a shit crowd though, but I think a game seven will be a different animal.

At some point the Heat guys will hit some of those wide open threes also. Tonight is as good as any time for that to start happening again.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
I said before this series that if Wade plays like he did against Chicago the Heat would go either 8-5 or 8-6 the rest of the way. 8-0 or 8-1 if he is healthy. You need another reliable scorer off of the main guy in this league. Defenses these days are too sophisticated to allow any one guy to win a series. This isn't the kindergarten level defense of the 90s.

This series is going like I figured it would given Wade's contributions.

Lebron's shot is reliable but what is that good for? 40? 50? You need more than that to win a game in the NBA. The other guys need to be involved and that doesn't happen if he is shooting jumpers. He has to get into the paint and draw in the defense to open up things for everyone else. There is no other way right now.

As far as his inability to hit jumpers late, may I refer you to the 2011 ECF? I have any of those games available if you want me to upload some videos. If you don't recall it involves Lebron hitting jumpers late to bury the Bulls. Game after game. I have mountains of games where that happens. Give me the parameters and I'll show you the game. I have 300+ games but it doesn't take me long to sift through the ones I need to prove my point.

I remember 2011 quite well, and I know Luol Deng does too. He never addressed it but I think it's the reason Deng came in with more bulk the next season. James toasted him over and over. Sometimes players can have consistent success over certain defenders, and James' confidence was sky high against Deng.

It will be interesting to see how long James' elite athleticism and knees hold up over the course of his career. Most of the time he relies on the drive, post up, and assists/cleanup shots to take over games, but he's going to have to develop his jump shot more to stay dominant as he gets beyond the peak of his career, which he seems to be at right now.
 
Last edited:

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
2002-2003: 21.3 points, 11.8 rebounds, 3.6 assists, 2.7 blocks, 0.6 steals.
2012-2013: 21.3 points, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 3.2 blocks, 0.9 steals.
D::thumbsup:

That's a great snapshot. Incredible, and very defining.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
Miami should easily be the favorite tonight. Pacers haven't strung 2 games in a row together yet, and Miami has always bounced back with a win. And it's in Miami.

However I don't expect Pacers to go lightly. Espn's poll yesterday had 52% choosing Pacers to win with 250k votes in. I think that's more representative of who people want to win.

Pacers can play with nothing to lose and can shock the world. So much 'up and coming' play out of this team, no one knows how they will respond. Heat played Boston last year in an ECF game 7, and James, Wade, and Bosh all played big. So I don't buy 'the pressure is on the heat' argument. A lit fire seems to do them good.

That said, GO PACERS! (and please let them play, refs.)
 

007ELmO

Platinum Member
Dec 29, 2005
2,051
36
101
I think the Pacers will be too nervous. Lebron will drive the hole and being nervous will create foul trouble. Foul trouble early = Heat win, refs suspect, Pacers nerves.
 

dougp

Diamond Member
May 3, 2002
7,950
4
0
Miami should easily be the favorite tonight. Pacers haven't strung 2 games in a row together yet, and Miami has always bounced back with a win. And it's in Miami.

However I don't expect Pacers to go lightly. Espn's poll yesterday had 52% choosing Pacers to win with 250k votes in. I think that's more representative of who people want to win.

Pacers can play with nothing to lose and can shock the world. So much 'up and coming' play out of this team, no one knows how they will respond. Heat played Boston last year in an ECF game 7, and James, Wade, and Bosh all played big. So I don't buy 'the pressure is on the heat' argument. A lit fire seems to do them good.

That said, GO PACERS! (and please let them play, refs.)

At this point in the series, this is the Pacer's game to lose. Most everyone has picked the Heat in 5 or 6, so the question is if they can capitalize on their position.

Turnovers - Can they limit them to 12? Anything higher and they lose.

Foul trouble for George and Hibbert - Since no one else has decided to show up on offense, the more these guys need to be on the floor.

Who shows up, Bosh and/or Wade or Hill and/or Stevenson.

The Pacer's have won the rebounding war, which is the best way to limit and offense that will capitalize on the fast break like the Heat.

But hey, all I'm doing is rehashing what the pro's have been saying - but I think the Pacers can pull this off.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
At this point in the series, this is the Pacer's game to lose. Most everyone has picked the Heat in 5 or 6, so the question is if they can capitalize on their position.

Turnovers - Can they limit them to 12? Anything higher and they lose.

Foul trouble for George and Hibbert - Since no one else has decided to show up on offense, the more these guys need to be on the floor.

Who shows up, Bosh and/or Wade or Hill and/or Stevenson.

The Pacer's have won the rebounding war, which is the best way to limit and offense that will capitalize on the fast break like the Heat.

But hey, all I'm doing is rehashing what the pro's have been saying - but I think the Pacers can pull this off.

I definitely think the pacers can pull it off to. I think both teams are going to come out very aggressive, especially defensively, so it will be interesting to see who gets saddled with foul trouble. Hibbert and George are of course the pivotal pacers that need to stay on the floor. They also need west to be rock solid on both ends. Wade and Bosh aren't going to go out without trying to leave a footprint as well, we'll see if they can.

If heat win, it will have been a great series. If pacers win, it will go down as epic historically.

If only the pacers could redo just 2 seconds in game one...
 
Last edited:

007ELmO

Platinum Member
Dec 29, 2005
2,051
36
101
pacers, 19-21 away
heat, 31-4 home

home team has gone 16-2 in game 7s in CF or Finals

game is over before it begins. do fans or familiarity really make a difference? miami fans don't show up until the 2nd half lol
 
Last edited:

HendrixFan

Diamond Member
Oct 18, 2001
4,648
0
71
do fans or familiarity really make a difference? miami fans don't show up until the 2nd half lol

I've always maintained that the huge advantage home teams have historically in FTs and foul calls is derived from the refs being influenced by the crowd and the heat of the moment sense that the crowd creates. The best home crowds accordingly help get the best calls for the home team.

The Miami crowd can occasionally hit those heights. A perfect example is the foul called on Delonte West against Wade in the 2011 conference semis when the Celtics were eliminated. Possibly one of the worst charging calls I've ever seen (worse than Lebron's in game 6 the other night...ZING!) and completely due to the raucous nature of the arena at the time.
 

007ELmO

Platinum Member
Dec 29, 2005
2,051
36
101
i mean is this what sports is about though, home field advantage because of the referees (because of the fans). I know my bengals have like no home field advantage and are worse at home than away (lol).

the refs should not dictate the game because of the fans. those referees are not doing their jobs, and should be fired. home field advantage should be about crowd noise and familiarity.
 
Last edited:

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
28,651
100
91
I don't mind if Wade is aggressive and gets off early...let him feel the pain and swelling by halftime.
 

007ELmO

Platinum Member
Dec 29, 2005
2,051
36
101
Wow, I haven't yelled this much since the last Bengals game. My throat is already out.
 
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |