Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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007ELmO

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Yes a pickup truck that drinks a lot of gas. As I said before its simple physics. Lebron is damn near 300 lbs and chases around 180lb point guards. Is it any fucking surprise he's totally out of gas by the fourth and can't even put up more than 5 shots?

that's why I go with the tiger can't change its stripes comment. he is human, he has major advantages due to his size (please don't tell me this guy didn't use some type of supplement, legal or not i think most athletes do), but there are weaknesses in him that can be attacked.

those alley oop dunks he expends energy just to demean his opponent. A few of those, and you feel like you lost control of the game. it's worth the run.
 
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It's tough to say. I think Pops is the master at roster resting. And has been fined accordingly by Stern for it. He'll conceded regular season wins to give a little extra spring to his guys in April/May/June. When Miami was pushing through a 25+ game winning streak SA's big three were not even dressing.

SA plays a finesse game that isn't about pure athleticism. Pick and rolls and excellent passing. Low TO's so you aren't constantly rushing back on transition defense. Parker is the one guy that SA needs to be concerned about he's the one that really motors for them and most prone to being gassed late in the game. If they can get serviceable minutes out of Neal so Parker can rest it's going to be a rough series for Miami.

Also, is Ginobili really that hurt or just that old? Or both. There were at least 2 drives that he had that should have been a classic drive and dunk for him. First one he tried to elevate and put the ball on the front of the rim. The other he went for an awkward layup. He has no lift at all. That guy use to be on a pogo stick. Sad to watch him grounded. Still fun to watch with his crazy passing though.

Seriously? Ray Allen barely has the legs to make his jumpers consistently but Ginobili cant make a dunk from damn near the free throw line and he's washed up.
 

007ELmO

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How many of us have purposefully tried to fall onto hardwood? I mean I don't even want to do it on carpet. If i was paid, maybe...
 

purbeast0

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Lebron admitted in his press conference he needed a breather (as to why wade and lebron were both out at the same time). So there's no more "He's young, he can play the whole game" type of thing, they're expending energy on D and running up and down the court. I'm not sure all fans realize that about lebron (he gets tired).

When he was younger, in the 4th he'd explode to the hole and dunk like crazy. The Pacers 7 game series has had some minor affect on them, just enough to lose game 1. I wonder if the Spurs will tire out as the series goes on and the athletic advantage the Heat have will show.

im gonna have to disagree slightly. i remember reading a couple weeks ago about how the spurs are BY FAR the best conditioned team in the league. like they go way above and beyond all other teams as far as conditioning goes. and it's not like duncan, parker, and ginobli are fresh out of college either, and look at those guys keep it in first gear all the way into the 4th quarter.

of course these guys will get tired, but "needing a breather" can be overcome by preparing better and conditioning. again, not saying it is easy to play 48 minutes in first gear at the nba level or anything, but i think that it shows in the spurs just how conditioned the team is.
 
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im gonna have to disagree slightly. i remember reading a couple weeks ago about how the spurs are BY FAR the best conditioned team in the league. like they go way above and beyond all other teams as far as conditioning goes. and it's not like duncan, parker, and ginobli are fresh out of college either, and look at those guys keep it in first gear all the way into the 4th quarter.

of course these guys will get tired, but "needing a breather" can be overcome by preparing better and conditioning. again, not saying it is easy to play 48 minutes in first gear at the nba level or anything, but i think that it shows in the spurs just how conditioned the team is.

There's no getting around the fact LeBron is damn near 300lbs. There's a reason you don't see bicyclists or endurance runners carrying a lot of excess muscle.
There is no reason to have him running around chasing the small guys. That's what there are defensive specialists for.
 

purbeast0

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There's no getting around the fact LeBron is damn near 300lbs. There's a reason you don't see bicyclists or endurance runners carrying a lot of excess muscle.
There is no reason to have him running around chasing the small guys. That's what there are defensive specialists for.

being a big buy myself (205lbs muscular build) i do know what you mean. but it's stupid to compare professional basketball players to bikers and endurance racers. totally different training and conditioning for both of those. one is high intensity vs low intensity (comparable). at least compare lebron to a sprinter, which many of them are very muscular, just not nearly 7 feet tall.
 
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There is also a much bigger drop off in talent when Miami goes to their subs vs SA. Miami can't afford to give Lebron or Wade much rest otherwise they'd be down 10 every time they come back in.
It looks like the new cba has helped level the playing field. Want to pay 3 superstars? No problem you just can't afford a great supporting cast.
 

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There is also a much bigger drop off in talent when Miami goes to their subs vs SA. Miami can't afford to give Lebron or Wade much rest otherwise they'd be down 10 every time they come back in.
It looks like the new cba has helped level the playing field. Want to pay 3 superstars? No problem you just can't afford a great supporting cast.

Once Wade and/or LeBron are out of the game, they lose their playmakers ... no one else on that team can really create their own shot and distribute like they can.

To anyone who thinks the Spurs will tire out over the series - the drop off won't be as dramatic as you'll see with the Heat. That 9 day rest will help them 10x more than the Heat's 3 day rest after a grueling and physical 7 game series.
 

Miramonti

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Lebron's playing weight is most likely 260...with probably 0 chance he's >265. Commentators suggesting he's near 300lbs is like how people would say Barkley is 6'4" every time he got a rebound in traffic.
 
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being a big buy myself (205lbs muscular build) i do know what you mean. but it's stupid to compare professional basketball players to bikers and endurance racers. totally different training and conditioning for both of those. one is high intensity vs low intensity (comparable). at least compare lebron to a sprinter, which many of them are very muscular, just not nearly 7 feet tall.

I'd say basketball is closer to endurance running or bicycling than sprinting. I play full court basketball every week. The amount of energy expended is insane. On defense you're going left going right trying to stay in front of your guy. Sometimes fighting through picks. Or they pass the ball and you're in a full on sprint to close on the shooter and jumping as high as you can to contest the shot. And at the nba level I promise you none of this is half speed.
 

purbeast0

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I'd say basketball is closer to endurance running or bicycling than sprinting. I play full court basketball every week. The amount of energy expended is insane. On defense you're going left going right trying to stay in front of your guy. Sometimes fighting through picks. Or they pass the ball and you're in a full on sprint to close on the shooter and jumping as high as you can to contest the shot. And at the nba level I promise you none of this is half speed.

anything where you go from a complete stop to full out sprint in a matter of a few seconds is high intensity, not low intensity like endurance running and cycling. i know a lot of energy is expended, i used to play basketball all the time and still play football.

it's just a totally different way to condition. i can guarantee you that you won't see cyclists and endurance racers doing suicides, because it won't help them out on that 10th mile that are running. basketball players benefit from it because they sprint, stop to turn around, sprint, stop to turn around, etc.
 
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Lebron's playing weight is most likely 260...with probably 0 chance he's >265. Commentators suggesting he's near 300lbs is like how people would say Barkley is 6'4" every time he got a rebound in traffic.

The 300lbs is an exaggeration but the point stands. I've been harping on the LeBron tiring out issue since 2011. In the finals the big deal was Lebron was shutting down Terry with his defense. And sure it worked for around 4 games then the dam broke. I knew he wouldn't last chasing Terry around fighting through screens, trying to close on all the shots, etc..
At no point should he be guarding Parker unless it's on a defensive switch.
 

007ELmO

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he started the league at 250 (at 18 years old). He's clearly at 265-70+ if you look at his rookie year. He was still huge back then.

regardless, duncan and these guys are on the bench too (strategically or due to foul trouble) - they get their breathers.

My opinion is the 7 game pacers series is going to give SA at least a couple of wins in this series. It will suck for the Heat to have an internal excuse of being tired.

As attrbuted in this thread, Popavich "cheating" the game by resting his 3 while Miami goes on a 43-3 pointless run. Patriots going 18-1 kind of thing.
 
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Miramonti

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The 300lbs is an exaggeration but the point stands. I've been harping on the LeBron tiring out issue since 2011. In the finals the big deal was Lebron was shutting down Terry with his defense. And sure it worked for around 4 games then the dam broke. I knew he wouldn't last chasing Terry around fighting through screens, trying to close on all the shots, etc..
At no point should he be guarding Parker unless it's on a defensive switch.

Agreed. Parker has a fairly complete offensive game and with his quickness, it's a brutal cover for someone as big as James.

One measuring stick for how great a career someone had is longevity. It would be a shocker if James knees hold up thru thru a long career. The weight he carries with the way he plays is unheard of. His size and quickness are a 'freak of nature', but depending how long he can continue this, his best 'freak' show could actually still be ahead of him if he stays healthy and his knees don't give out early.
 

007ELmO

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He's a freak like adrian peterson, he would recover from injury and I think he's extremely not injury prone. Fatigue can cause injury.

Look at people like Kobe Bryant and Duncan, Lebron is probably doing similar things to maintain himself.

My Bengals just got James Harrison from the steelers, this guy gets 6 hours+ of massage a day. To maintain himself at his age.

Nadal is a good example, but tennis has more pressure on the knees. Minimize motion, things that look smooth and easy (federer) are indications of probably the best motion.

I wonder if all that muscle and movements that are a-typical to a human body can create too much torque on joints that are not meant. Especially if you're on a supplement?
 
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Miramonti

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Yes James is a testament to modern "medicine". The Soviets would be proud.

If he sold his sperm he could make more in one year than his nba contracts combined.

He's a freak like adrian peterson, he would recover from injury and I think he's extremely not injury prone. Fatigue can cause injury.

Look at people like Kobe Bryant and Duncan, Lebron is probably doing similar things to maintain himself.

My Bengals just got James Harrison from the steelers, this guy gets 6 hours+ of massage a day. To maintain himself at his age.

Nadal is a good example, but tennis has more pressure on the knees. Minimize motion, things that look smooth and easy (federer) are indications of probably the best motion.

I wonder if all that muscle and movements that are a-typical to a human body can create too much torque on joints that are not meant. Especially if you're on a supplement?

Until football gets hgh testing, and tennis gets any type of testing, not to mention hgh, any references to the sport and longevity of players should end with an asterisks.

Nadal plays an incredibly physical game, and I thought he was already breaking down a couple years ago. Looks like it turned out to be just a bad period for injuries because he's been going pretty strong since.
 

007ELmO

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i think he had mental problems, but what do i know. he likes and needs to slide around all over the place for his game to work (i.e. clay).
 

Miramonti

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he started the league at 250 (at 18 years old). He's clearly at 265-70+ if you look at his rookie year. He was still huge back then.

For comparison, Tim Duncan is 6'10-6'11, listed at 255. Shaq, who's 7'-7'1" had a playing weight at lsu of 294. No way is Lebron 270. Right now James is listed at 250 on nba.com and espn.com, and that's probably pretty close.

/edit: Meta World Peace is listed at 260, an inch shorter but is thicker than james.
 
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dbk

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For comparison, Tim Duncan is 6'10-6'11, listed at 255. Shaq, who's 7'-7'1" had a playing weight at lsu of 294. No way is Lebron 270. Right now James is listed at 250 on nba.com and espn.com, and that's probably pretty close.

/edit: Meta World Peace is listed at 260, an inch shorter but is thicker than james.


I think LBJ is thicker than MWP.. Metta has leaned out a lot since he got to LA
 

Red Storm

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WTF, so many posts talking about LBJ's weight! Who cares?

Tony Parker is an absolutely amazing player. It's crazy how he never gets brought up in "best point guard" discussions.
 
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