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Man did Bogut step up or what? but what a debacle in the last 3 mins of the game! That was surreal.

Crazy stat heard last night... GSW hasn't won in San Antonio since 1997!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder what could have happened in 1997 that would make the Spurs so good... And, let's not forget, the Warriors have been pretty damn bad for the last decade or three.
 

Red Storm

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I wonder what could have happened in 1997 that would make the Spurs so good... And, let's not forget, the Warriors have been pretty damn bad for the last decade or three.

lol an already good team loses their star to injury, so they tank and get none other than Timmy Duncan with the first pick of the draft.

Man the Spurs really got lucky that Robinson got injured.
 
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lol an already good team loses their star to injury, so they tank and get none other than Timmy Duncan with the first pick of the draft.

Man the Spurs really got lucky that Robinson got injured.

No kidding. Who would have figured that losing their best player in team history to a season-ending injury would end up getting them an even better player to play alongside him?
 

Miramonti

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I wouldn't put money on the Celtics either having the gas to win two more, or the Knicks to play down a few notches again for two more games. I had doubts of the Knicks winning a game six in Boston earlier in this series, but given the circumstances I think it can happen now.

Meanwhile, I have no clue why Mark Jackson called a timeout there to force an inbounds that was inevitably stolen. Overcoaching, he is the anti-Scottie Brooks.

Are you saying Brooks is overrated? I don't follow them enough to have much of an opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised. In what I've seen, I haven't seen much from a strategic/countering perspective that's all that impressive.

Four close-out games tonight, gonna be some barn burners. Hopefully each series will go to a 7th game except for the Griz/Clips. I think Del Negro sucks as a coach and love the Griz' roster and the way the team is put together.
 

manly

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lol an already good team loses their star to injury, so they tank and get none other than Timmy Duncan with the first pick of the draft.

Man the Spurs really got lucky that Robinson got injured.
I always thought they 'tanked' but if you go back and check, I think they had the 3rd worst record in the NBA. With the draft lottery, there's no guarantee on landing the overall top pick.

If anything, the NFL is much more ripe for tanking but surprisingly everybody feels it doesn't happen in the NFL. Coaches swear they'd lose all credibility if they didn't coach the players to win, even if an Andrew Luck pick or RG3 is on the line.

As for the NBA draft lottery, you could make a stronger argument that it's rigged. How convenient was it for the Cavs to get Kyrie Irving, or for the Hornets to get Anthony Davis?
 

HendrixFan

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Are you saying Brooks is overrated? I don't follow them enough to have much of an opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised. In what I've seen, I haven't seen much from a strategic/countering perspective that's all that impressive.

Indeed. His first strike is his perplexing lineup choices. He loves loves loves going big when the rest of the league is playing small ball. Perkins is always a huge negative for the team in +/- versus Collison, yet Perkins starts each night and gets his minutes each night. You watch a Perkins lineup put them in a hole, a Collison lineup lead a comeback, only to have Perkins come to start the 3rd quarter and put them back into a hole.

It isn't Perkins fault that he is a specialty big who only should be out there against Z-Bo or Dwight. It is Brooks' fault for leaving him in there against any team running small ball (which is most everyone these days).

His second strike is his inability or lack of desire to have his team play offense. Like real offense. They just ISO Durant or ISO Westbrook (not anymore!). They only get as complex as having Durant and Westbrook run the high screen but they didn't even run that too often. Now that Westbrook is out (and Harden is gone), the lack of real offense stands out. He can't hide behind 3 elite one on one scorers to mask his weakness. Durant is getting quadruple teamed out there against the Rockets and nothing is being done to free him up. The Rockets don't even really play defense, so it will only get worse for Durant in the next round.

His third and final strike is his inability to coach defense. His guys are doing the same thing on defense as they do on offense, just a slightly more advanced version of streetball. The Thunder got ripped in the Finals last year for four straight games and at no point did Brooks make any adjustments. Ibaka and Durant struggled all Finals long sinking too deep into the paint and leaving 3 point shooters open. What are they doing wrong against the Rockets? Same thing. They have had nearly 90 games to fix that and haven't. At all.

Go rewatch game five of the Finals and see Durant is pretty much personally responsible for 35-40pts worth of threes that the Heat destroyed them with. Ibaka was responsible for just about all the other ones. They sink too deep into the painted area off of dangerous shooters. You can't do that. If you are the assigned player to help on penetration then someone else rotates out. But if you watch they aren't the assigned help, they are just sagging off the ball but too far off and too slow to react back out.

Now part of that is the big lineup issue, but even when Ibaka or Collison are playing the five that problem persists.

So no lineup adjustments, no in game adjustments, no offensive strategy and no defensive strategy. Other than that Brooks does a fine job! Mark Jackson committed the sin of overcoaching last night. Brooks won't ever threaten that.
 

Miramonti

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Indeed. His first strike is his perplexing lineup choices. He loves loves loves going big when the rest of the league is playing small ball. Perkins is always a huge negative for the team in +/- versus Collison, yet Perkins starts each night and gets his minutes each night. You watch a Perkins lineup put them in a hole, a Collison lineup lead a comeback, only to have Perkins come to start the 3rd quarter and put them back into a hole.

It isn't Perkins fault that he is a specialty big who only should be out there against Z-Bo or Dwight. It is Brooks' fault for leaving him in there against any team running small ball (which is most everyone these days).

His second strike is his inability or lack of desire to have his team play offense. Like real offense. They just ISO Durant or ISO Westbrook (not anymore!). They only get as complex as having Durant and Westbrook run the high screen but they didn't even run that too often. Now that Westbrook is out (and Harden is gone), the lack of real offense stands out. He can't hide behind 3 elite one on one scorers to mask his weakness. Durant is getting quadruple teamed out there against the Rockets and nothing is being done to free him up. The Rockets don't even really play defense, so it will only get worse for Durant in the next round.

His third and final strike is his inability to coach defense. His guys are doing the same thing on defense as they do on offense, just a slightly more advanced version of streetball. The Thunder got ripped in the Finals last year for four straight games and at no point did Brooks make any adjustments. Ibaka and Durant struggled all Finals long sinking too deep into the paint and leaving 3 point shooters open. What are they doing wrong against the Rockets? Same thing. They have had nearly 90 games to fix that and haven't. At all.

Go rewatch game five of the Finals and see Durant is pretty much personally responsible for 35-40pts worth of threes that the Heat destroyed them with. Ibaka was responsible for just about all the other ones. They sink too deep into the painted area off of dangerous shooters. You can't do that. If you are the assigned player to help on penetration then someone else rotates out. But if you watch they aren't the assigned help, they are just sagging off the ball but too far off and too slow to react back out.

Now part of that is the big lineup issue, but even when Ibaka or Collison are playing the five that problem persists.

So no lineup adjustments, no in game adjustments, no offensive strategy and no defensive strategy. Other than that Brooks does a fine job! Mark Jackson committed the sin of overcoaching last night. Brooks won't ever threaten that.

That's an insightful take. And not having watched the beginning of many thunder games, I almost forgot Perkins is on the team - he's rarely there at the end.

Durant and Westbrook are great creators, but creators can disguise cr@ppy coaching. Reminds me of Mike Brown when he had Lebron and expected Lebron to create and/or do everything in the playoffs.
 

HendrixFan

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Durant and Westbrook are great creators, but creators can disguise cr@ppy coaching. Reminds me of Mike Brown when he had Lebron and expected Lebron to create and/or do everything in the playoffs.

I couldn't agree more with the Brown/Brooks comparison. That is why I'm so eager to see what Durant does now that he is saddled with a supporting cast similar to what Lebron had when he was dragging the Cavs deep into the playoffs single-handedly. This is Durant's time to show that he can be the guy to steal an MVP or two from Lebron over the next five years.
 

Cuda1447

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Yep, that was about 2 months ago. The bulls don't have much of a chance in a 7 game series against Miami without him imo, as banged up as they are. I think if he could just get in one game, he won't want to sit again...

I agree with this. It's a confidence thing.
 

dbk

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How can VDN keep that lineup out there.. Bledsoe barnes griffin green hill.. Wow he doesnt deserve to coach the Clippers

He shouldve immediately put in his starters... At least crawford once the lead was cut to 10...
 

Miramonti

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Time to throw out Joey Crawford. Another epic butthole performance from a headcase ref.
 
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There are headlines (plural) on ESPN about how Melo was so great in the Boston game that they just couldn't cope. So I checked the stats. 21 points on 23 shots? Yeah, he's basically the greatest player ever.

Carmelo Anthony is so utterly overrated. "He's an elite scorer!" Yeah, if he takes 30 shots a game. A career 45% field goal guy whose field goal percentage is steadily decreasing, who doesn't ever pass the ball, and who hasn't advanced one single piece of his game? Superstar. Couldn't possibly be better. Except in every single conceivable way.
 

Miramonti

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There are headlines (plural) on ESPN about how Melo was so great in the Boston game that they just couldn't cope. So I checked the stats. 21 points on 23 shots? Yeah, he's basically the greatest player ever.

Carmelo Anthony is so utterly overrated. "He's an elite scorer!" Yeah, if he takes 30 shots a game. A career 45% field goal guy whose field goal percentage is steadily decreasing, who doesn't ever pass the ball, and who hasn't advanced one single piece of his game? Superstar. Couldn't possibly be better. Except in every single conceivable way.

Anthony sucked, but fortunately for him, not as much as Pierce.

Anthony has a great game but doesn't always play a great game. He gets lazy too often, leaning for hero ball when he thinks he has an opportunity instead of going into beast mode, which when active, is some of the best beast ball in the nba.
 

QueBert

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There are headlines (plural) on ESPN about how Melo was so great in the Boston game that they just couldn't cope. So I checked the stats. 21 points on 23 shots? Yeah, he's basically the greatest player ever.

Carmelo Anthony is so utterly overrated. "He's an elite scorer!" Yeah, if he takes 30 shots a game. A career 45% field goal guy whose field goal percentage is steadily decreasing, who doesn't ever pass the ball, and who hasn't advanced one single piece of his game? Superstar. Couldn't possibly be better. Except in every single conceivable way.

Melo's a future HOF'er and one of the best pure shooters in the game right now. His percentages seem meh but he takes a lot of very difficult shots. While I do think he could be playing a lot better, I still don't think the Knicks overpaid for him. And about how he could be better, that holds true for every NBA player. Without Melo they would have lost to a Boston team without Rondo, and with 2 stupidly old (but still elite) players. I'm a Boston fan, and Melo's the reason my team lost tonight
 

dbk

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Rockets had a chance but Harden decided play 1 on 1 ball, jacking up wild 3s and committing turnovers while everyone seemed to stand around.. The last 5 mins of the game were dreadful to watch
 

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Rockets had a chance but Harden decided play 1 on 1 ball, jacking up wild 3s and committing turnovers while everyone seemed to stand around.. The last 5 mins of the game were dreadful to watch

Seemingly every time I see Harden playing he's just hogging the ball and making a stupid play (particularly near the end of close games) . Once in a while he'll do something pretty amazing but damn, pass the ball once!
 

HendrixFan

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How is that a good justification? "Yeah, he doesn't make most of his shots, but in his defense, it's because his shot selection is terrible."

Because he can shoot the league average regardless of how well you defend him. Some nights he is off, others he is on. Either way, he dictates how much he scores. The opponent doesn't.

Durant is very similar, he just has the luxury of playing with a better supporting cast. Or at least did before losing Harden and Westbrook. Now Durant's shooting percentages are sliding into Melo's range. This is no surprise.
 

Miramonti

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If you love basketball, you've gotta love how the bulls played the first half. No heroes, just incredible energy and great team basketball. Deng and Hinrich out, yet they up 17 at the half without missing a beat. Thibs has everyone knowing their roles and where they should be at all times, and they're playing like a machine no matter who's on the floor.

Hopefully they can keep it up.
 
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dbk

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Well I don't know what happened but the Bulls kept leaving Gerald Wallace wide open on the perimeter.. LOL
 
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