Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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momeNt

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Not just a game either....

I believe you are correct, especially when it took so much effort on the part of the ref to separate them. I think a 1 game suspension if it was just the hip check and the shove, but when it seemed like he wanted to go back for more, rest of the playoffs imo.
 

Vdubchaos

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I believe you are correct, especially when it took so much effort on the part of the ref to separate them. I think a 1 game suspension if it was just the hip check and the shove, but when it seemed like he wanted to go back for more, rest of the playoffs imo.

Agreed

If it was up to me I would suspend him for LIFE for being a douchebag clown, but that's jut me hehe

I will say that Wade did get a decent hit with an elbow and even though at first it looked like he flopped, it was justified (kind of dirty from Indiana player)
 
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Why did Anderson go after Hansbrough? I didn't see Hansbrough do anything on that play.

Did Anderson not realize who actually bumped him?
 

Vdubchaos

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Why did Anderson go after Hansbrough? I didn't see Hansbrough do anything on that play.

Did Anderson not realize who actually bumped him?

Hansbrough is just one of those people that doens't have to do anything and you just want to beat the shit out of them.

hehe

Not sure if it's his looks or just atmosphere he gives off.

I HATED him last year vs Bulls (or 2 years ago).

Since he is playing against Miami now, I love him. :biggrin: Good job dude.
 

darkewaffle

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The commentators mentioned that evidently Hansborough has been pretty physical/rough all series vs multiple Heat players and it was just kind of culminating last night. I have no idea how true that is though, I just like to watch, I don't look that close lol.
 

manly

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The commentators mentioned that evidently Hansborough has been pretty physical/rough all series vs multiple Heat players and it was just kind of culminating last night. I have no idea how true that is though, I just like to watch, I don't look that close lol.
A lot of the wrestling is away from the ball, so we often don't see the rough play going on.

I don't see why this shove is being compared to Nazr's shove in the previous round to argue favoritism. Clearly Birdman was the instigator in this sequence, but they were both jawing face to face and then Andersen pushed Hansbrough. Nazr shoved a surprised LeBron to the ground while James was looking at the ref. The initial hip check was properly called a flagrant 1.

Because no punch was ever thrown (automatic ejection), I think the refs made the right calls. You can fine Andersen for being crazy, but a 1-game ban would be an even worse decision than a partial-game ejection IMO.

From marketing and game-integrity standpoints, of course the NBA is going to protect its star players. Unfortunately you'll still have cases where a dumb foul alters the rest of the playoffs (1st round Rockets' Beverley injuring Russell Westbrook).
 

dougp

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A lot of the wrestling is away from the ball, so we often don't see the rough play going on.

I don't see why this shove is being compared to Nazr's shove in the previous round to argue favoritism. Clearly Birdman was the instigator in this sequence, but they were both jawing face to face and then Andersen pushed Hansbrough. Nazr shoved a surprised LeBron to the ground while James was looking at the ref. The initial hip check was properly called a flagrant 1.

Because no punch was ever thrown (automatic ejection), I think the refs made the right calls. You can fine Andersen for being crazy, but a 1-game ban would be an even worse decision than a partial-game ejection IMO.

From marketing and game-integrity standpoints, of course the NBA is going to protect its star players. Unfortunately you'll still have cases where a dumb foul alters the rest of the playoffs (1st round Rockets' Beverley injuring Russell Westbrook).

Andersen clearly pushes Hansbrough while he isn't looking ...
 

manly

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Andersen clearly pushes Hansbrough while he isn't looking ...
That's really a different question IMO. The surprise hip check was called a flagrant foul 1, i.e. "unnecessary" contact. Should it have been a flagrant 2, "unnecessary and excessive"? I think that's a stretch, but it would have been an automatic ejection if the refs saw it that way. They did review tape and had the opportunity to upgrade the call to flagrant foul 2. Generally, flagrant 2s are reserved for blows to the head/neck or other plays that clearly risk player health.

If the NBA retroactively upgrades the foul, the ejection is not enforced in the next game (as far as I can tell). Metta World Peace had an elbow upgraded from no-call to flagrant 2 in February, but retroactive upgrades to a flagrant foul 2 seem to be pretty rare. MWP did not serve a 1-game suspension with the adjustment.

The rest of the action was both players jawing, chest-bumping and then Birdman shoving Hansbrough backwards. I understand you're trying to tell me the whole sequence deserves a suspension but the back-end alone is the comparison (to Nazr's shove) that I'm talking about.

Should sports leagues not protect its star players? Is it "unfair" for the NFL to protect QBs at the expense of RBs or special-teams grunts?
 
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dougp

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That's really a different question IMO. The surprise hip check was called a flagrant foul 1, i.e. "unnecessary" contact. Should it have been a flagrant 2, "unnecessary and excessive"? I think that's a stretch, but it would have been an automatic ejection if the refs saw it that way. They did review tape and had the opportunity to upgrade the call to flagrant foul 2. Generally, flagrant 2s are reserved for blows to the head/neck or other plays that clearly risk player health.

If the NBA retroactively upgrades the foul, the ejection is not enforced in the next game (as far as I can tell). Metta World Peace had an elbow upgraded from no-call to flagrant 2 in February, but retroactive upgrades to a flagrant foul 2 seem to be pretty rare. MWP did not serve a 1-game suspension with the adjustment.

The rest of the action was both players jawing, chest-bumping and then Birdman shoving Hansbrough backwards. I understand you're trying to tell me the whole sequence deserves a suspension but the back-end alone is the comparison (to Nazr's shove) that I'm talking about.

Should sports leagues not protect its star players? Is it "unfair" for the NFL to protect QBs at the expense of RBs or special-teams grunts?

They should protect all their players, period.
 

jcuadrado

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I noticed that the stands are mostly empty at the start of the game.

What a crowd I tell ya.

They also leave early even if the game hasn't reached an outcome yet.....

I'm the ignorant fan....but in all seriousness. We have great fans..are they late most of the time, yes...are they late on purpose, a lot of the times no...American Airlines arena is in the downtown area and honestly the traffic and parking SUCKS...it takes hours to drive a couple miles.

Now fans leaving early? I don't see that happen when the game is still undecided.

Back to basketbrawl (in this series)....the Heat are struggling with their shots...when they hit they are unbeatable...but when they are off and the other team is playing lights out the Heat can lose a close game.

They'll advance to the finals - again....but San Antonio is red hot now...I can see a close series with San Antonio possibly winning it all....we'll see though.

Go HEAT!
 

cheezy321

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I'm the ignorant fan....but in all seriousness. We have great fans..are they late most of the time, yes...are they late on purpose, a lot of the times no...American Airlines arena is in the downtown area and honestly the traffic and parking SUCKS...it takes hours to drive a couple miles.

Now fans leaving early? I don't see that happen when the game is still undecided.

Back to basketbrawl (in this series)....the Heat are struggling with their shots...when they hit they are unbeatable...but when they are off and the other team is playing lights out the Heat can lose a close game.

They'll advance to the finals - again....but San Antonio is red hot now...I can see a close series with San Antonio possibly winning it all....we'll see though.

Go HEAT!

IIRC the Heat were having a hard time selling out their finals games when they won the title against the Mavs in 2006. Or were you not a fan back then?

Do you remember when Dwayne Wade shot 25 free throws in ONE GAME? More than the entire Dallas team combined? Biggest sham in the history of the finals.
 
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dbk

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Anderson's suspended.. upgraded to a flagrant 2 and Hanbrough got this T rescinded. All good
 

jcuadrado

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IIRC the Heat were having a hard time selling out their finals games when they won the title against the Mavs in 2006. Or were you not a fan back then?

Do you remember when Dwayne Wade shot 25 free throws in ONE GAME? More than the entire Dallas team combined? Biggest sham in the history of the finals.

Nope...dont remember the ticket sale figures 7 years ago and dont really care. Also dont care about other fan bases either. And about Wade getting hacked...oh well. You are just a Heat hater and dont have any respect for what they have accomplished this season. Its ok though...I understand. A lot of people feel the same way.

I grew up in Miami and love to have Pat Riley, LeBron, Wade, etc....its amazing. ..its hell of a lot of fun to witness.

Go Heat!
 

dougp

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Nope...dont remember the ticket sale figures 7 years ago and dont really care. Also dont care about other fan bases either. And about Wade getting hacked...oh well. You are just a Heat hater and dont have any respect for what they have accomplished this season. Its ok though...I understand. A lot of people feel the same way.

I grew up in Miami and love to have Pat Riley, LeBron, Wade, etc....its amazing. ..its hell of a lot of fun to witness.

Go Heat!

And what did they accomplish that will mean anything if they don't win a championship?
 

jcuadrado

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And what did they accomplish that will mean anything if they don't win a championship?

To you and most non fans...probably nothing.

To me and some fans they've accomplished a lot this season, such as winning 66 games, winning 27 games straight, making the ECF 3 times in a row and possibly making the championship series 3 years in a row.

Individually watching Lebron win another MVP, acquiring Bird Man, Ray Allen.

If they don't win the championship it would suck of course...but it's not like doom and gloom either. I'm watching them in June which is great...fans get to talk about them at work, hear about them on the radio and TV nationally every day....

Honestly...it's fantastic....but I can understand non fans hatred (to a point)...

It's like the Patriots for me...I hate them to death (I'm a Dolphin fan)...but I have to respect what they've done as a team and organization.
 

007ELmO

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It's not stupid, unless you're a Heat or Lebron fan.

I hate to say I told you so, so I'll say "like I said". lol.

This dude deserved being tossed on the spot. First hit knocked Hansborough to the floor, blind sided. Second is chest bump, 3rd is shove. 3 hits.

You have to respect Hansborough for maximizing his game on minimum talent within the confines of the rules.

You blindside norris cole or someone tiny like augistine with that hit, he's sliding to the other basket on the floor. As Lebron would put it, "non basketball" plays.

I'd like to watch the replay, to see how the heat coaching staff and other players react...do they plant seeds in birdman's head to do something like this to fire his team up? lol. Birdman did that on purpose, nobody tries to instigate a fight 3 times. He asked for a T, he asked for a suspension, but WHY?

We're not playing basketball in the 80s/90s where you get separated in the "playoffs". People get suspended in the playoffs these days.

Honestly, I would love for someone to hit Battier 3 times and see how he reacts. My choice would be sweep the leg, hado-ken, and finish him off with shoryuken.
 
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007ELmO

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To you and most non fans...probably nothing.

To me and some fans they've accomplished a lot this season, such as winning 66 games, winning 27 games straight, making the ECF 3 times in a row and possibly making the championship series 3 years in a row.

Individually watching Lebron win another MVP, acquiring Bird Man, Ray Allen.

If they don't win the championship it would suck of course...but it's not like doom and gloom either. I'm watching them in June which is great...fans get to talk about them at work, hear about them on the radio and TV nationally every day....

Honestly...it's fantastic....but I can understand non fans hatred (to a point)...

It's like the Patriots for me...I hate them to death (I'm a Dolphin fan)...but I have to respect what they've done as a team and organization.

You sort of need to be like that other guy in this thread, a Lebron fan. Not a heat fan. Lebron is your team, Lebron is anyone's team, take him off - how many wins do you have. Who is your leader. I beg the question, Wade is not even a #2 anymore.

Don't compare the Heat to the Patriots. Tom Brady has been with one team. Tom Brady wins with nobodies around him. Just like Lebron is doing now, but there's a big difference between the Heat and the Patriots in that respect.
 

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Don't compare the Heat to the Patriots. Tom Brady has been with one team. Tom Brady wins with nobodies around him. Just like Lebron is doing now, but there's a big difference between the Heat and the Patriots in that respect.

So...they are similar... but at the same time not similar at all? :hmm:

Sports comparisons get boring really fast. Right now they are looking like Lebron's cavaliers but his current supporting cast should be way better and I think they (mostly bosh and wade) will step up their game really quick. What's so wrong with D-wade that he can't return to his former glory? Lots of leg injuries?

I also think Birdman should have been ejected, everyone's pretty much in agreement there.
 
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