Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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DesiPower

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Ugh, so sick of the heat.

I'm sick of their uniforms, their colors, the arena, the ugly ugly ugly white t-shirts they give everyone, sick of hearing the names dwade, lebron, bosh.

Don't worry just have to endure then 4 more days

Go spurs go
 
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Spurs win the title. Anywhere from 5-7 games.
I think the spurs are the better team from top to bottom. Bosh and Birdman will get mauled inside. Chalmers and Wade lit up by Parker.

I'm down with another Texas team punking bron bron.
 

dbk

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Spurs win the title. Anywhere from 5-7 games.
I think the spurs are the better team from top to bottom. Bosh and Birdman will get mauled inside. Chalmers and Wade lit up by Parker.

I'm down with another Texas team punking bron bron.

Thing is... Parker has largely been subdued by the Heat.. I dont think hes scored 20 against them in the past four games
 

Blackjack200

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Sports talk guys in Philly were breaking it down like this:

Miami has the higher ceiling

But

The Spurs have been playing better and if Miami is inconsistent against the Spurs like they were against the Pacers, SA will win

Miami matches up against SA better than they did against the Pacers

But

The Spurs are a better team than the Pacers.

Should be interesting.
 

DesiPower

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Sports talk guys in Philly were breaking it down like this:

Miami has the higher ceiling

But

The Spurs have been playing better and if Miami is inconsistent against the Spurs like they were against the Pacers, SA will win

Miami matches up against SA better than they did against the Pacers

But

The Spurs are a better team than the Pacers.

Should be interesting.

Heart, miles and miles of heart.

I was listening to the local news and they referred to the spurs as the blue collar team
 
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child of wonder

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I hope the Spurs win. I hate Lebron and the Miami floppers.

(Yes, I'm aware San Antonio has done more than their fair share of flopping over the years, but they're by far the lesser of two evils in my eyes.)
 

lupi

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Spurs are better than the pacers but much less of a matchup problem to miami than the pacers.
 

HendrixFan

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How so? Spurs have length and can play big, or they can go small and play fast.

The don't pound the post with their bigs. They set high screens for their ball handlers to navigate through while keeping off ball players in motion. You can say they will play big, but it doesn't mean big in the traditional sense.

Find a game over the last two years where they became a post centric offense and let me know which game it is, because I missed it. I think the appropriate differentiation would be to say the Pacers play a power game and Miami plays a speed game. The absurdly high number of calls in the ECF favors power and hinders speed.

As I said before both respective conference finals, Miami and SA play a variation of the same game. It is a finesse/speed game. It is meant to stretch defenses and exploit mismatches. They both utilize a ton of movement and have a great ball distributor with very capable secondary ball distribution.

Where they diverge is that Miami is much more likely to move the ball around for an open shot while SA will run their ball handler through 3, 4 or 5 screens in a single 24 second possession looking for an opening.
 

dougp

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The don't pound the post with their bigs. They set high screens for their ball handlers to navigate through while keeping off ball players in motion. You can say they will play big, but it doesn't mean big in the traditional sense.

Find a game over the last two years where they became a post centric offense and let me know which game it is, because I missed it. I think the appropriate differentiation would be to say the Pacers play a power game and Miami plays a speed game. The absurdly high number of calls in the ECF favors power and hinders speed.

As I said before both respective conference finals, Miami and SA play a variation of the same game. It is a finesse/speed game. It is meant to stretch defenses and exploit mismatches. They both utilize a ton of movement and have a great ball distributor with very capable secondary ball distribution.

Where they diverge is that Miami is much more likely to move the ball around for an open shot while SA will run their ball handler through 3, 4 or 5 screens in a single 24 second possession looking for an opening.

Correct, but the difference is Duncan, Splitter and Diaw can play the post if they want to exploit the match-up. Pop won't change the game plan 100%, but if he takes anything out of watching the Pacers/Heat series, it'll be putting the ball inside once they get a lead.

Also, who do you think will defend Parker? I'm curious, because I doubt Wade will given the amount of screens he will have to run through - Chalmers or Cole will be the only option, but whomever is chasing him will be dog tired for offense.
 

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Also, who do you think will defend Parker? I'm curious, because I doubt Wade will given the amount of screens he will have to run through - Chalmers or Cole will be the only option, but whomever is chasing him will be dog tired for offense.

Miami will probably blitz the guards and go for a high court trap on him as much as they can. Or at least fake it and force him into a pass and have somebody jump the lane for a steal. It's going to be a *fast* game. Both teams are going to be pushing the ball hard.
 

HendrixFan

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Also, who do you think will defend Parker? I'm curious, because I doubt Wade will given the amount of screens he will have to run through - Chalmers or Cole will be the only option, but whomever is chasing him will be dog tired for offense.

Team option.

Chalmers and Cole to keep running with him. Also look for the Heat to push the pace to make Parker run back on D. Then have the fast Heat bigs do alot of hedging and trapping on Parker PNR. Say what you will about Miami's post players, but nobody in the league in in their class on defending the PNR. During key stretches have Lebron blanket him.

They key is to force Parker to give up the ball early instead of letting him work through the screens. Miami's length is the tool they use to trap effectively and will be what they need to get the ball away from Parker.

All that said, the bigger question is the Spurs D. They weren't good last year, they aren't good this year. While they tore through their 20 win streak and everyone claimed they were unbeatable the big warning sign was their D. They won with efficient offense and great shooting. Then OKC came in, moved the ball around and played not very-OKC-like basketball, and the Spurs could not get stops. Could not get stops.

So the big question isn't how to the Heat stop Parker. The Heat can play the best D in the NBA, but not for entire 48 minute stretches. The Spurs can't. The question is how do the Spurs stop the best player in the game?

Second biggest question is who is more hurt? Leonard/Ginobili or Bosh/Wade?
 

dougp

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Miami will probably blitz the guards and go for a high court trap on him as much as they can. Or at least fake it and force him into a pass and have somebody jump the lane for a steal. It's going to be a *fast* game. Both teams are going to be pushing the ball hard.

There's another team that tried that ...
 

HendrixFan

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Warriors this year, I believe that was the 18 assist game.

Good point. That same Warriors team we saw this year, with just a small portion of playoff savvy, would have won that Spurs series. They dominated most of the game and SA was able to "old man game" them into submission late.

The Spurs play the speed game well. Mostly their execution is what sets them apart from anyone else doing it. But when a legitimately faster team comes along (OKC, GS, Miami) the youth and talent (physical) differential becomes apparent. If the younger team can actually execute they will win (see OKC last year) and if they don't they will lose (see GS this year).

If you are betting that Miami is closer in execution and experience to GS than OKC then the Spurs are the pick.
 

dougp

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Good point. That same Warriors team we saw this year, with just a small portion of playoff savvy, would have won that Spurs series. They dominated most of the game and SA was able to "old man game" them into submission late.

The Spurs play the speed game well. Mostly their execution is what sets them apart from anyone else doing it. But when a legitimately faster team comes along (OKC, GS, Miami) the youth and talent (physical) differential becomes apparent. If the younger team can actually execute they will win (see OKC last year) and if they don't they will lose (see GS this year).

If you are betting that Miami is closer in execution and experience to GS than OKC then the Spurs are the pick.

I, personally, am not scared of the Heat as much as I would have been last year. I don't think they've played well in the playoffs this year, especially given their regular season record and the streak. Last year they peaked at a great point, unlike San Antonio did. I think it's the opposite this year, the Spurs really started to peak coming into the playoffs.

This series will be more telling of what Parker means to this franchise than anything - the Spurs are not the Pacers or Bulls, if you double up or push on the ball handler, they will execute. I don't expect them to hinder Lebron, but given the physical state of Wade and the mental state of Bosh - I don't feel like they're the threat. In truth, outside of the SF position, I believe San Antonio is better at every other position. I'm sure a lot of people here don't agree with that, but hey, that's fine. We'll find out where we stand starting tomorrow. Hopefully the Spurs don't come out with rust ...
 
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