Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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Correct, but the difference is Duncan, Splitter and Diaw can play the post if they want to exploit the match-up. Pop won't change the game plan 100%, but if he takes anything out of watching the Pacers/Heat series, it'll be putting the ball inside once they get a lead.
did someone just implicitly compare Tiago Splitter's role to the one Roy Hibbert just played in the ECF?

The Pacers were just a tough physical match-up for the Heat. If you looked at the Pacers/Knicks series, you would've known that Miami's small ball would have match-up problems in the ECF (however you wouldn't have known that Bosh and Battier would simultaneously become scrubs). Betting odds currently have the Heat as roughly 2 to 1 favorites, so you're getting decent odds if you think the Spurs will prevail...
 

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did someone just implicitly compare Tiago Splitter's role to the one Roy Hibbert just played in the ECF?

The Pacers were just a tough physical match-up for the Heat. If you looked at the Pacers/Knicks series, you would've known that Miami's small ball would have match-up problems in the ECF (however you wouldn't have known that Bosh and Battier would simultaneously become scrubs). Betting odds currently have the Heat as roughly 2 to 1 favorites, so you're getting decent odds if you think the Spurs will prevail...

Uh, Duncan would be in Hibbert's role. Thanks for playing.
 

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Yeah I'm not so sure the Spurs are better than the Pacers. I guess we'll find out these next couple weeks!
 

jcuadrado

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I'm not gonna come here and post a thing until the end of each game...we'll see what happens....

But if I was a betting man...which I'm not...I would put my money on the team that has the best player in the NBA....no one can cover LBJ....no one....

And for all of you that hate LeBron....question for you....would you hate him if he was on the team you root for?
 

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I'm not gonna come here and post a thing until the end of each game...we'll see what happens....

But if I was a betting man...which I'm not...I would put my money on the team that has the best player in the NBA....no one can cover LBJ....no one....

And for all of you that hate LeBron....question for you....would you hate him if he was on the team you root for?

You are an idiot. The majority of people say nothing of the sort in this thread. I think Lebron is the best player in the NBA and the Miami Heat are damn good. You are just confirming most of our thoughts here that Miami fans are bandwagon and not very knowledgeable of the game.

I absolutely hate the Spurs. They have screwed over my favorite team in many ways. Were you even watching the NBA when Stoudemire and Diaw were suspended for complete BS? I am rooting for the Spurs to win and I hate myself for it.
 

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And for all of you that hate LeBron....question for you....would you hate him if he was on the team you root for?

I can't respect a man who runs away from his hometown team to form a "super team" then rubs it in everyone's face on national TV and starts acting like he's already won the next 8 championships.

I also cannot respect people who do not nor have ever lived in Miami supporting the Heat. They are bandwagon fans and worthy only of contempt.
 

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Uh, Duncan would be in Hibbert's role. Thanks for playing.
while he's arguably a hybrid PF/C, Duncan is officially considered his team's PF.

You specifically mentioned Splitter as a post-up threat against Miami, and I think that's a big stretch. He's around Bosh's height but the key thing is he's not going to push Bosh around with ease as happened in the last series.

Although I wouldn't bet the house on Bosh's toughness inside.
 

dougp

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while he's arguably a hybrid PF/C, Duncan is officially considered his team's PF.

You specifically mentioned Splitter as a post-up threat against Miami, and I think that's a big stretch. He's around Bosh's height but the key thing is he's not going to push Bosh around with ease as happened in the last series.

Although I wouldn't bet the house on Bosh's toughness inside.

Tyrion Lanister could push Bosh around in the paint.
 

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You are an idiot. The majority of people say nothing of the sort in this thread. I think Lebron is the best player in the NBA and the Miami Heat are damn good. You are just confirming most of our thoughts here that Miami fans are bandwagon and not very knowledgeable of the game.

I absolutely hate the Spurs. They have screwed over my favorite team in many ways. Were you even watching the NBA when Stoudemire and Diaw were suspended for complete BS? I am rooting for the Spurs to win and I hate myself for it.

No...you're a moron...and if you don't see all the Miami Heat hatred that's all over this thread than you're more stupid then I thought.

Bandwagon fans...whatever...knowledgeable of the game..that's laughable. So what is it, you can only be a fan if you have "knowledge" of the game? Hell, your grandma can be a fan because of the color of the uniform if she chooses to.

I live in South Florida....Miami for 28 years so I'm not bandwagon as you put it...but whoever wants to join in on the loads of fun we are having...welcome aboard.
 

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while he's arguably a hybrid PF/C, Duncan is officially considered his team's PF.

You specifically mentioned Splitter as a post-up threat against Miami, and I think that's a big stretch. He's around Bosh's height but the key thing is he's not going to push Bosh around with ease as happened in the last series.

Although I wouldn't bet the house on Bosh's toughness inside.

I don't think that will come to play since Bosh does not score in the paint as often. Splitter and Bosh wont be "banging" each other too much. The Spurs and Heat both like running the pick and roll with Splitter and Bosh, respectively. The difference is that Bosh likes to fade away after setting the pick to spot up for that 15 to 18 ft jumpshot. If he gets the pass - he'll most likely shoot that jumper. If he doesn't - then his role ends right then and there because usually someone's scoring or he's just too far away to be crashing the boards.

I don't see Bosh rolling towards the basket as much, especially when the paint is clogged. Who knows - maybe since Hibbert is no longer there, Bosh/Heat will feel confident enough to post up down low. i doubt it. The Heat don't like to run your traditional post offense sets.

Splitter doesn't have the range that Bosh does but Splitter also doesn't look to score - Spurs will go to Splitter only if there's an obvious mismatch. Even then he looks to pass..Splitter will still be a threat in the post - but as a passer more than as a scorer. If he's open off of a pick and roll, Splitter will look to make that extra pass to either TD or the 3pt shooter in the corner (Danny Greene & Gary Neal (he'll play more)).

Obviously, as individual players Bosh is better than Splitter but Splitter will play a more crucial role in the offense (as long as he doesn't get in foul trouble). Only way he won't is if the Heat score bunches in transition as Bosh will surely outrun Splitter. The Heat SHOULD post Bosh up as much as they can vs the Spurs - but I doubt it. Spo will stick to his small ball.
 
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Splitter is a true center. Sure him and Bosh are nearly the same weight and height but Splitter can really be a solid nba center against legitimate big men. Bosh gets pushed around like a bitch down low.
 
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If I'm Pop I keep Tim and Tiago near the bucket on the offensive end. Let the small guys shoot at will and let the SA big men gobble up the rebounds and go straight back up with the ball. Fuck all the finesse bs. Let's see Haslem and Bosh bang down low with Splitter and Duncan and see who ends up at the top.
 

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Splitter is a true center. Sure him and Bosh are nearly the same weight and height but Splitter can really be a solid nba center against legitimate big men. Bosh gets pushed around like a bitch down low.

Well, Bosh can play down low when he wants. He's always quicker than most centers and has myriad of ways to score. I think he would demolish Splitter if Bosh were to post up vs him. The thing is that the Heat rarely run Bosh that way. In fact, that should be the #1 match up to exploit. Bosh just gets tempted to play the face up game wayyyyyyyyyy too much. He's fallen in love with the 3.
 
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dougp

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Well, Bosh can play down low when he wants. He's always quicker than most centers and has myriad of ways to score. I think he would demolish Splitter if Bosh were to post up vs him. The thing is that the Heat rarely run Bosh that way. In fact, that should be the #1 match up to exploit. Bosh just gets tempted to play the face up game wayyyyyyyyyy too much. He's fallen in love with the 3.

Splitter is pretty quick as well - there's a reason why you very rarely saw a help defender if Splitter picked up a guard with the P&R. He has a lot of length, which should help deter Bosh on the jump shot. If you do see Bosh "abusing" Splitter in the paint, odds are Diaw will come in or Bonner.
 

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If I were the Spurs, i would target Wade on offense. He's not 100% and if he burns his stamina on defense - he will surely struggle on offense. If he's guarding Leonard then run pick and roll with TP and Leonard. If he's guarding Danny Greene or Manu then make him run through multiple picks baseline to baseline. I think this is important because it'll most likely put Wade on tilt (media will help too). Wade has to step up for the Heat to win.
 
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Well, Bosh can play down low when he wants. He's always quicker than most centers and has myriad of ways to score. I think he would demolish Splitter if Bosh were to post up vs him. The thing is that the Heat rarely run Bosh that way. In fact, that should be the #1 match up to exploit. Bosh just gets tempted to play the face up game wayyyyyyyyyy too much. He's fallen in love with the 3.

The number 1 mismatch is Lebron the number 2 Wade IMO. Bosh is relegated to bitch boy which he should be. Clear Bosh out of the way and let LeBron go to work which is what Spol has done.
 

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Splitter is pretty quick as well - there's a reason why you very rarely saw a help defender if Splitter picked up a guard with the P&R. He has a lot of length, which should help deter Bosh on the jump shot. If you do see Bosh "abusing" Splitter in the paint, odds are Diaw will come in or Bonner.

Yeah I agree but I really do not want to see much of Bonner and Diaw in this series. They're going to be a liability as soon as the Heat go away from the post up sets to P&R offense. I also dont' want either of them shooting the ball *shudders*. I want to see Blair more but he picks up fouls just as quick - 'tho he'll bring that toughness into the game - dat NASTY.
 
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I'd hate to be the guy chasing Parker. The picks you have to fight through are just as brutal as any low post play you could encounter.
 

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On another note - how horrible was Sam Young? I was pulling for the Pacers but it seemed like he did something wrong everytime he even sniffed the basketball. Obviously, you have less skilled players coming off the bench - but that guy seemed to make mistake after mistake.
 

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I don't think that will come to play since Bosh does not score in the paint as often. Splitter and Bosh wont be "banging" each other too much. The Spurs and Heat both like running the pick and roll with Splitter and Bosh, respectively. The difference is that Bosh likes to fade away after setting the pick to spot up for that 15 to 18 ft jumpshot. If he gets the pass - he'll most likely shoot that jumper. If he doesn't - then his role ends right then and there because usually someone's scoring or he's just too far away to be crashing the boards.

I don't see Bosh rolling towards the basket as much, especially when the paint is clogged. Who knows - maybe since Hibbert is no longer there, Bosh/Heat will feel confident enough to post up down low. i doubt it. The Heat don't like to run your traditional post offense sets.

Splitter doesn't have the range that Bosh does but Splitter also doesn't look to score - Spurs will go to Splitter only if there's an obvious mismatch. Even then he looks to pass..Splitter will still be a threat in the post - but as a passer more than as a scorer. If he's open off of a pick and roll, Splitter will look to make that extra pass to either TD or the 3pt shooter in the corner (Danny Greene & Gary Neal (he'll play more)).

Obviously, as individual players Bosh is better than Splitter but Splitter will play a more crucial role in the offense (as long as he doesn't get in foul trouble). Only way he won't is if the Heat score bunches in transition as Bosh will surely outrun Splitter. The Heat SHOULD post Bosh up as much as they can vs the Spurs - but I doubt it. Spo will stick to his small ball.

I think the spurs are going to have a difficult time keeping splitter on the floor along side duncan with the heat playing small ball. West was able to guard ray allen, but I don't see the spurs being able to match up in their spread offense very well with those two guys. Diaw and bonner will have to guard the bosh, which will then allow bosh to move inside and use his advantage to play big. And if the spurs can't matchup against the heat small ball, it's going to be a tough series for them because that's playing into miami's hands.
 
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It'll be like last years finals. It's going to be about who gets in foul trouble and how the calls fall in the last minutes of the game.

In this regard, Spurs are better than Thunder and are less likely to have their SuperStar put in foul trouble by the refs.
 
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