Official 2012-2013 NBA Playoffs Thread

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preslove

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lol okay

the team that again won 60+ games, with a better roster than the year before, versus a celtics team with KG still coming back from ACL injury and i'm a tinfoil? The cavs were the favorite to win that series. But please, finger yourself.

If you knew anything about basketball, this wouldn't surprise you. Sometimes a veteran team that's won a championship beats a team with a better record. That's not novel.

Hell, watching the mavs get trounced by the warriors a couple years back, when the mavs were considered contenders, I've lost any real faith in the records. sometimes matchups are key.

Go away.
 

bigpimpatl

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If you knew anything about basketball, this wouldn't surprise you. Sometimes a veteran team that's won a championship beats a team with a better record. That's not novel.

Hell, watching the mavs get trounced by the warriors a couple years back, when the mavs were considered contenders, I've lost any real faith in the records. sometimes matchups are key.

Go away.

ohhhh so you know cite a very rare occurrence in which the 8th seed beats a 1st seed in a playoff series and then qualify it with it sometimes happening? Can you name the last time that ever happened (bet you can't). and that was over 5 years back, time to get a new clock!



http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/celtics-cavaliers

Of course i'm not saying ESPN is always right 100% but it's pretty clear the cavs were the overwhelming favorites that series. Every major publication predicted the same.
 
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Of course i'm not saying ESPN is always right 100% but it's pretty clear the cavs were the overwhelming favorites that series. Every major publication predicted the same.

Groovy. That was three years ago. LeBron has since been in the Finals three consecutive years and won the last two. Are you arguing that the 2010 Playoffs are a better indicator of LeBron's quality than his more recent history? Why are you guys arguing about shit that happened 4 seasons ago?
 

preslove

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ohhhh so you know cite a very rare occurrence in which the 8th seed beats a 1st seed in a playoff series and then qualify it with it sometimes happening? Can you name the last time that ever happened (bet you can't). and that was over 5 years back, time to get a new clock!



http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/celtics-cavaliers

Of course i'm not saying ESPN is always right 100% but it's pretty clear the cavs were the overwhelming favorites that series. Every major publication predicted the same.

I'm not going to bother looking up the mavs v warriors series. No one picked the warriors, either.
 

Blackjack200

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Groovy. That was three years ago. LeBron has since been in the Finals three consecutive years and won the last two. Are you arguing that the 2010 Playoffs are a better indicator of LeBron's quality than his more recent history? Why are you guys arguing about shit that happened 4 seasons ago?

Probably because recent history hasn't been too kind.
 

bigpimpatl

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Groovy. That was three years ago. LeBron has since been in the Finals three consecutive years and won the last two. Are you arguing that the 2010 Playoffs are a better indicator of LeBron's quality than his more recent history? Why are you guys arguing about shit that happened 4 seasons ago?

lol no of course not,

just think Lebron, in that series, wasn't focused and/or got sidetracked. I suggested he quit on the team but of course got blasted for even suggesting the thought.
 

QueBert

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Just to make a point, James has said that Paul Pierce gives him the most trouble in the NBA, so it would make sense that regardless of the seed thing that the Celtics did what they did to the Cav's that year in the play offs. Hell last year the heat literally beat the Celtics only because of a shitty call on Rondo.
 
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manly

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Celtics D was stifling when Thibs was there running it. The 2010 squad pushed the Lakers to a game 7 and maybe would have won it with Kendrick Perkins bodying up the Lakers bigs. Their D is still pretty good but the key guys are just too old. Okay, maybe LeBron doesn't have ice water in his veins, he's human despite the video game athleticism! Besides a couple clunkers, he's had a whole career's worth of strong playoff series even before these playoffs. I guess he's less likable because he's not an MJ or Kobe style asshole, I mean assassin.

Are the Clippers stupid or did I miss the memo announcing Doc Rivers is no longer a premier head coach? They're offering a 2nd round pick as compensation for a guy under a multi-year contract? If they like one of their other finalists more than Rivers, than hire that guy. Rivers clinches a CP3 signing and the Clippers are dangling a 50th overall pick for the man?
 

QueBert

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Celtics D was stifling when Thibs was there running it. The 2010 squad pushed the Lakers to a game 7 and maybe would have won it with Kendrick Perkins bodying up the Lakers bigs. Their D is still pretty good but the key guys are just too old. Okay, maybe LeBron doesn't have ice water in his veins, he's human despite the video game athleticism! Besides a couple clunkers, he's had a whole career's worth of strong playoff series even before these playoffs. I guess he's less likable because he's not an MJ or Kobe style asshole, I mean assassin.

Are the Clippers stupid or did I miss the memo announcing Doc Rivers is no longer a premier head coach? They're offering a 2nd round pick as compensation for a guy under a multi-year contract? If they like one of their other finalists more than Rivers, than hire that guy. Rivers clinches a CP3 signing and the Clippers are dangling a 50th overall pick for the man?

Stern put the banhammer on LA's attempt to get Rivers.
 

manly

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Stern put the banhammer on LA's attempt to get Rivers.
well originally the Clippers were reported (rumored?) as balking at the asking price of 2 first rounders for Rivers.

Stern preemptively blocked a "packaged" deal as it clearly would have been to trade for KG in one fax to the league, and for Doc Rivers in another. We already know Stern has capricious reasons for blocking certain trades.

The Clippers were reported to then be focusing on Rivers and worrying about KG/Pierce later (i.e. say at the trading deadline). Now ESPN is reporting that talks ended because the Clippers offer for Rivers is a 2nd round pick. Even non-lottery first rounders are considered low value in most years, save the rare find. Maybe ESPN has the rumors flying every which way but I feel Rivers is worth 2 first round picks, I'm assuming non-lottery picks.
 

UncleWai

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Lebron James just doesn't radiate that killer instinct like Jordan or a prime-Kobe. Therefore when Lebron James goes off for a triple double, it would still be a close game because the opposing isn't scared.
 

tygeezy

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Way too many generalizations here. First Cleveland is not a bad fan-base. They are absolutely starving for a title and were crushed by lbj going on live television to say he is leaving and subsequently rubbing it in with the celebration. We get it, Cleveland could not field a good roster because they were capped out and were too good to get decent talent through the draft. Dan Gilbert made a mistake in the heat of the moment. He is actually an excellent owner who has given their gm Chris Grant total freedom with their roster and has his wallet open.

Don't rule out the possibility of LeBron coming back to Cleveland. They are quietly putting together a very good young Roster, they are headed by an incredibly talented Kyrie Irving who would fit next to LeBron like a glove and is better than anybody on the heat not named LeBron. They will conveniently have over 20 million in cap space when lbj can opt out of his contract next season. They also have the number 1 pick in this coming draft along with the 19th pick which they are looking to trade up on.
 
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Adrenaline

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Well, that would be great salary dump, lol.

If the heat were really keen on getting rid of Bosh, their name would come up in all the Dwight Howard discussions...

Howard is the biggest crybaby in the history of the NBA. He is also one of the biggest locker room cancers.

I told my friend that is a huge Lakers fan that he would regret them getting Howard. He does now. He wants Howard gone.
 

Adrenaline

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ohhhh so you know cite a very rare occurrence in which the 8th seed beats a 1st seed in a playoff series and then qualify it with it sometimes happening? Can you name the last time that ever happened (bet you can't). and that was over 5 years back, time to get a new clock!



http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2010/matchup/_/teams/celtics-cavaliers

Of course i'm not saying ESPN is always right 100% but it's pretty clear the cavs were the overwhelming favorites that series. Every major publication predicted the same.

The Nuggets beat the Sonics for the 8 seed over a 1. Karl is one of the worst post season coaches ever.
 

Adrenaline

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Way too many generalizations here. First Cleveland is not a bad fan-base. They are absolutely starving for a title and were crushed by lbj going on live television to say he is leaving and subsequently rubbing it in with the celebration. We get it, Cleveland could not field a good roster because they were capped out and were too good to get decent talent through the draft. Dan Gilbert made a mistake in the heat of the moment. He is actually an excellent owner who has given their gm Chris Grant total freedom with their roster and has his wallet open.

Don't rule out the possibility of LeBron coming back to Cleveland. They are quietly putting together a very good young Roster, they are headed by an incredibly talented Kyrie Irving who would fit next to LeBron like a glove and is better than anybody on the heat not named LeBron. They will conveniently have over 20 million in cap space when lbj can opt out of his contract next season. They also have the number 1 pick in this coming draft along with the 19th pick which they are looking to trade up on.

Kyrie "I'm injured yet again" Irving would make LeBron be a one man show in Cleveland again. LeBron should avoid that place like the plague.
 
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fustercluck

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Kyrie Irving is pretty damn good. Though I don't see Lebron going back to Cleveland until maybe near the end of his career.
 

dawheat

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Lebron James just doesn't radiate that killer instinct like Jordan or a prime-Kobe. Therefore when Lebron James goes off for a triple double, it would still be a close game because the opposing isn't scared.

I used to think Kobe was held to unfair standards, but Lebron is held to a completely different level.

I recall some pretty epically bad NBA Finals games from Kobe - the 2008 Game 6 stinker stands out as well as several terribad games in the 2010 Finals.
 

tygeezy

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Kyrie "I'm injured yet again" Irving would make LeBron be a one man show in Cleveland again. LeBron should avoid that place like the plague.
Kyrie hasn't had any chronic major injuries like dwyane wade is going through with his knee every season. Irving is an incredible talent and a much better fit next to lebron because of his shooting prowess. It isn't just kyrie either. Dion waiters has quite a bit of talent, tristan thompson is fast improving, and they have the number 1 pick along with 19 and several other picks in future drafts from kings and grizz. This team has an excellent amount of young talent with a ton of assets. They will be very good, very soon. Hardly a place to avoid.
 

Adrenaline

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Kyrie hasn't had any chronic major injuries like dwyane wade is going through with his knee every season. Irving is an incredible talent and a much better fit next to lebron because of his shooting prowess. It isn't just kyrie either. Dion waiters has quite a bit of talent, tristan thompson is fast improving, and they have the number 1 pick along with 19 and several other picks in future drafts from kings and grizz. This team has an excellent amount of young talent with a ton of assets. They will be very good, very soon. Hardly a place to avoid.

Kyrie is a great player when healthy. He gets injured and misses a few games a few times a season. Young talent does not mean you are going to win after next season. LeBron needs to stay away and play where he can win championships for years. If LeBron is worried about his legacy, he will avoid Cleveland because he isn't winning anything there.
 

jalaram

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Rivers got traded to the clippers. Now to see if KG goes too. It would be a shame if Paul pierce also goes.
 

tygeezy

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Kyrie is a great player when healthy. He gets injured and misses a few games a few times a season. Young talent does not mean you are going to win after next season. LeBron needs to stay away and play where he can win championships for years. If LeBron is worried about his legacy, he will avoid Cleveland because he isn't winning anything there.

You are really downplaying cleveland and I understand because not a lot of people are familiar with their situation. Kyrie is better than anybody on the heat at present unless wade can get his knees back together. I would also argue that there isn't a better star player to put next to him because kyrie is an elite slasher and shooter. Pick and roll with those two would be absolutely devastating. Once again the cavs have the number 1 pick. If it were me I would take nerlens noel as I think he will be a defensive juggernaut.

I honestly think the cavs give him a much better long-term outlook on winning because the heats roleplayers are old as the hills, dwayne wade is breaking down and bosh gives them nothing on the regular.
 

Adrenaline

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You are really downplaying cleveland and I understand because not a lot of people are familiar with their situation. Kyrie is better than anybody on the heat at present unless wade can get his knees back together. I would also argue that there isn't a better star player to put next to him because kyrie is an elite slasher and shooter. Pick and roll with those two would be absolutely devastating. Once again the cavs have the number 1 pick. If it were me I would take nerlens noel as I think he will be a defensive juggernaut.

I honestly think the cavs give him a much better long-term outlook on winning because the heats roleplayers are old as the hills, dwayne wade is breaking down and bosh gives them nothing on the regular.

Kyrie is awesome. I just REALLY wish he would stay healthy to see him explode for an entire season.

The trade with Memphis landed Cleveland some solid players as well. I think Nerlens will be good, along the lines of a mild Ben Wallace if he puts in the effort. The scoring is not there but the rebounding and blocked shots are. If he gets to scoring more, he will be devastating.

I just do not see Cleveland being "there" after one more year.
 

lupi

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I don't think pierce will go to LA, but what will be interesting is if boston holds him trying to trade later or takes the 5 mil hit to just dump him.
 
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