* * * Official 2012 Fantasy Football Discussion Thread * * *

[NoCreativity]

Agreed, decline that shit. Collusion.

Yeah, the more I think about it I'm voting against it.

 

[Arik5405]

Trade proposed in my league:

Antonio Brown & Julio Jones for Boldin.

Guy getting Jones is first place, guy getting Boldin is last. Could be a matter of last place guy just liking Boldin for some reason.

They are a father (first place) and his 10 or 12 year old son (last place) but it looks a little fishy to me as this would help dad and hurt the kid.

Should I vote against it? I'm inclined to not bother since it's only a fun league and it happens to be my brother-in-laws brother, don't want to piss anyone off.

Yeah, the more I think about it I'm voting against it.

Vote against it. For fun.

 

[eits]

Awesome. Ben Roethlisberger rolled his ankle in practice today. He's still expecting to play this week, but Mr. Ankles does it again.

So I ask again - Ben, Newton or Flacco this week?

not newton. he's SOOO goddamn overrated and i don't understand what everyone loved about him in the first place.

either way, cam newton is playing against a strong secondary AND he sucks, sooo...

i say roethlisberger. you can tape an ankle... pretty easy to stabilize it with tape and i doubt it would throw off his game, having been in the game for quite some time. just don't expect him to do a lot of scrambling.

flacco would also be a decent choice. their defense is gonna be struggling, so they're gonna have to have their offense fire on all cylinders to stay competitive.

 

[AMDZen]

I'm playing Flacco this week in one of my league's where I have similar options

 

[SunnyD]

Vernon Davis - 0 points.

*sigh*

 

[dougp]

I'm playing Flacco this week in one of my league's where I have similar options

The Texans pass rushing has suffered with Cushing out - as long as people can keep Watt busy, the other guys aren't too worrisome.

Just my opinion, though.

 

[kstu]

not newton. he's SOOO goddamn overrated and i don't understand what everyone loved about him in the first place.

I've seen you say some smart things in this thread, however this is not one of those times.

Really? You don't understand? Maybe because he was the 4th best QB in the game last year as a rookie and rushed for 14 TDs and over 700 yards.

 

[KeithTalent]

Vernon Davis - 0 points.

*sigh*

That was shocking. Not even targeted. :hmm:

KT

 

[Gunslinger08]

Looks like Jennings might be out again this week. Thankfully, I picked up James Jones a couple weeks ago to fill in, but byes this week mean I need somebody else to take Jennings place if he isn't playing.

I have Nate Washington for some reason, but he doesn't look like a good play. Who do you pick between these FAs?
- Lance Moore
- Devin Hester
- TY Hilton
- Brandon Gibson
- Some other sleeper

 

[Gunslinger08]

Need to pick 2 of these 3:
- McFadden
- Morris
- Sproles

I'm thinking McFadden for sure - Jacksonville gives up 3rd most rush yards. Morris and Sproles seem like they could be a tossup.

 

[Gunslinger08]

My other league is looking like a major loss this week. Jennings is probably out. Charles and Floyd on bye. My team was already pretty crappy from injuries and failures. I'm starting:
- QB: Rodgers
- WR: Sidney Rice and Dez Bryant
- RB: Sproles and William Powell
- TE: Kyle Rudolph
- W/R: Vick Ballard
- K: Janikowski
- DEF: Houston

Any sleepers/potential FAs you guys recommend? I'm struggling here.

 

[AMDZen]

I've seen you say some smart things in this thread, however this is not one of those times.

Really? You don't understand? Maybe because he was the 4th best QB in the game last year as a rookie and rushed for 14 TDs and over 700 yards.

I agree with eits. Cam Newton was a sham exactly like Vince Young was in his first year in the league. Yea, he ran for 14 TD's and could do so again, oh, accept defenses learned how to contain his ass and not let him get to the edges, you play containment D on the front 4 and tempt him deep with 2-man zone deep coverage and he looks lost out there.

Its called "tape". Its what happens when the offseason comes around and everyone finally has time to analyze every tape on Cam Newton and figure out how to beat him.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Looks like Jennings might be out again this week. Thankfully, I picked up James Jones a couple weeks ago to fill in, but byes this week mean I need somebody else to take Jennings place if he isn't playing.

I have Nate Washington for some reason, but he doesn't look like a good play. Who do you pick between these FAs?
- Lance Moore
- Devin Hester
- TY Hilton
- Brandon Gibson
- Some other sleeper

Lance Moore for sure. He has Drew Brees throwing to him and he's already had his bye week. Josh Gordon might be worth a look too, he's had two big games in a row.

Need to pick 2 of these 3:
- McFadden
- Morris
- Sproles

I'm thinking McFadden for sure - Jacksonville gives up 3rd most rush yards. Morris and Sproles seem like they could be a tossup.

I like Morris over Sproles but it is close.

My other league is looking like a major loss this week. Jennings is probably out. Charles and Floyd on bye. My team was already pretty crappy from injuries and failures. I'm starting:
- QB: Rodgers
- WR: Sidney Rice and Dez Bryant
- RB: Sproles and William Powell
- TE: Kyle Rudolph
- W/R: Vick Ballard
- K: Janikowski
- DEF: Houston

Any sleepers/potential FAs you guys recommend? I'm struggling here.

WRs: Randall Cobb, Josh Gordon, Mike Williams (TB)
RBs: Felix Jones, LeGarrette Blount, Alex Green
K: Sort by fantasy points and pick whoever's at the top. Janikowski is not great this year.

 

[kstu]

I agree with eits. Cam Newton was a sham exactly like Vince Young was in his first year in the league. Yea, he ran for 14 TD's and could do so again, oh, accept defenses learned how to contain his ass and not let him get to the edges, you play containment D on the front 4 and tempt him deep with 2-man zone deep coverage and he looks lost out there.

Its called "tape". Its what happens when the offseason comes around and everyone finally has time to analyze every tape on Cam Newton and figure out how to beat him.

I didn't say anything about how much he has regressed this year and defenses figuring him out making him borderline benchable. Just saying it's complete bullshit to say you couldn't understand why anyone was high on him coming off that rookie year. It's like saying you can't understand why anyone would love RG3.

 

[The_Dude8]

I agree with eits. Cam Newton was a sham exactly like Vince Young was in his first year in the league. Yea, he ran for 14 TD's and could do so again, oh, accept defenses learned how to contain his ass and not let him get to the edges, you play containment D on the front 4 and tempt him deep with 2-man zone deep coverage and he looks lost out there.

Its called "tape". Its what happens when the offseason comes around and everyone finally has time to analyze every tape on Cam Newton and figure out how to beat him.

will the same thing happen to RG3 next season as well?

 

[eits]

I didn't say anything about how much he has regressed this year and defenses figuring him out making him borderline benchable. Just saying it's complete bullshit to say you couldn't understand why anyone was high on him coming off that rookie year. It's like saying you can't understand why anyone would love RG3.

i disagree. cam newton is more like a running back that can throw... rg3 is more like a quarterback that can run. there's a difference. that's why rg3 will get better over time. that's why vick and cam newton suck... they are more like running backs who can throw. they have distance and zip, but no accuracy or finesse. defenses figure that out and quickly. once you stop them from running so they can stay in the pocket in order to throw, they turn the ball over. vick's offensive line sucks ass right now... reid needs to let him loose and let him run and not throw, but i digress.

however, when you have a quarterback who has accuracy and intelligence and can read defenses who can run/scramble, like aaron rodgers or brett favre or even steve young, that's WAY more valuable and less of a risk down the road.

the only thing rg3 needs to learn right now is how to not get hurt and to accept when to end the fight for yardage so he can survive and be well enough to gain more yardage on the next down in a different way. he will keep defenses guessing. he's got accuracy, he's got a cannon, he's got humility and poise, he's got intelligence, and he's faster than any defensive player in the league.

with a strong offensive line, he is unstoppable. he only had 3 total turnovers (two interceptions and one lost fumble out of five total) with 11 touchdowns. he is the most accurate quarterback in the league.

would we be able to apply the same stats and attributes to cam newton? absolutely not. cam newton threw interceptions like rice at a wedding. he lacks poise, accuracy, and intelligence, but he can run. even with a strong offensive line, cam newton will still throw picks. if steve smith played for the redskins, he would probably be a top 5 receiver... however, he's playing with cam newton, so he's only been able to collect 398 total yards and no touchdowns. that's such a waste of steve smith's talent.

 

[eits]

mendenhall is out... dwyer is in.

people who need a sleeper running back, this may be it. the bengals have one of the worst run defense in the league.

 

[AMDZen]

will the same thing happen to RG3 next season as well?

From a Fantasy Football perspective only? Not to quite the same degree but I expect him to have a sophomore slump as well.

Cam Newton doesn't have an offense or a coach.

At least RG3 has a coach and some weapons on offense. Its kind of apples and oranges. However, RG3 will be drafted too high next year based on his work this year. I would compare it more to the likes of Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham. There was no way in hell Graham was going to repeat his performance from last year and people were taking him in the first round. LOL at those people.

 

[eits]

From a Fantasy Football perspective only? Not to quite the same degree but I expect him to have a sophomore slump as well.

Cam Newton doesn't have an offense or a coach.

At least RG3 has a coach and some weapons on offense. Its kind of apples and oranges. However, RG3 will be drafted too high next year based on his work this year. I would compare it more to the likes of Rob Gronkowski or Jimmy Graham. There was no way in hell Graham was going to repeat his performance from last year and people were taking him in the first round. LOL at those people.

that's why i was more than happy to trade him (graham)

graham and nicks for decker, mendenhall, and rudolph. i made out like a bandit with that trade.

 

[AstroManLuca]

that's why i was more than happy to trade him (graham)

graham and nicks for decker, mendenhall, and rudolph. i made out like a bandit with that trade.

I wouldn't say you made out like a bandit. You got a downgrade at WR, a sidegrade at TE (Rudolph is hot now but Graham has greater upside), and an injured RB.

But I guess we'll see how things shake out over the year.

 

[murphy55d]

Trent Richardson with a flak jacket vs Indy or Steven Jackson vs GB?

 

[slayer202]

that's why i was more than happy to trade him (graham)

graham and nicks for decker, mendenhall, and rudolph. i made out like a bandit with that trade.

you got robbed

 

[eits]

you got robbed

lol, you have been consistently wrong about pretty much everything this entire thread.

 

[slayer202]

lol, you have been consistently wrong about pretty much everything this entire thread.

show me. you got lucky with your freeman prediction, got anything else?

Maybe you realized you traded the #1 TE and a top 10 WR for very little


but hey, at least it wasn't as bad as this gem! http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34069143&postcount=894

 

[eits]

show me. you got lucky with your freeman prediction, got anything else?

Maybe you realized you traded the #1 TE and a top 10 WR for very little


but hey, at least it wasn't as bad as this gem! http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34069143&postcount=894

lol you are so dumb...

eventually, as the season progresses, maybe you'll realize how wrong you are. eric decker is a stud and peyton manning will throw to him more than eli will throw to nicks. also, the giants have a tougher schedule against secondaries than the broncos do, which means more points for decker than nicks down the road. i predict decker will produce more points than nicks. last game, decker reminded people how good he is for a fantasy team, especially when everyone is gonna be double covering thomas.

rudolph is christian ponder's go-to guy in the red zone. drew brees has more reliable targets and more ability to get them the ball than christian ponder does. ponder likes throwing short passes to eat up yards and his second most targeted guy is kyle rudolph. the point production at the end of the season is probably going to be comparable.

rashard mendenhall was a gamble, but i needed another running back. i figured that he'd put up more points than jimmy graham in the long run.

as for the original trade proposal, the ONLY reason i decided not to was because i didn't trust mcfadden. if he switched mcfadden with adrian peterson, i would have taken that trade in a heartbeat.