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jalaram

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I'm obviously biased toward Price getting the Cy Young (Wins, era, quality starts, etc), but Crasnick at ESPN believes Verlander should get it again.

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I do love his quote about how closers do in Tampa.

Or Tampa Bay closer Fernando Rodney, who has enjoyed an amazing resurgence this season as part of the Joe Maddon Revive A Closer's Career program?
 

rcpratt

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The only other pitcher even in the conversation with JV is King Felix, but it's not particularly close.
 

jalaram

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Wow. What a wild card race in the AL. The Rays picked a bad time to have a losing streak, but they're looking strong again.

How about Rodney with those 45 saves and a 0.63 ERA. Maybe the tilted cap is throwing off hitters?
 

SP33Demon

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Rangers clinch postseason berths for themselves, Orioles and Yankees

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...s-for-themselves-orioles-and-yankees/related/


but yeah, they are definitely not going into the playoffs on a high note...

Amazing that they can't even win their division with Sabathia, Kuroda 1-2 punch and a legit closer. And that offensive lineup as well. Just sad. Hopefully the Bosox will take it to em in the next 3 games and the Rays throw meatballs down the middle for the O's.
 

jalaram

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Amazing that they can't even win their division with Sabathia, Kuroda 1-2 punch and a legit closer. And that offensive lineup as well. Just sad. Hopefully the Bosox will take it to em in the next 3 games and the Rays throw meatballs down the middle for the O's.

Right now, I don't think the Bosox can take it to anyone. And the O's are good enough that they don't help from the Rays. Plus, the Rays are at home and want to leave on a good note.

The Rays were doomed with the lack of offense, but congrats to Price for being the first Ray with 20 wins in a season. I'm still hoping he gets the Cy.
 

GobBluth

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NL Race coming down to the wire too. Cardinals need 2 out of 3 from Cincy to clinch (or have the Dodgers lose 1)
 

SP33Demon

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Million dollar question my baseball friends: If Miggy Cabrera wins the Triple Crown, do you still give the MVP to Trout (first 40 steal/30 HR rookie ever, crushing Cabrera in WAR 10.6 - 6.6, leading MLB in steals)?? Holy hell, this could be one of the toughest votes ever. Also, does Miggy win the triple crown if he's tied in HR's with Hamilton (43 apiece right now)?? Or would he still need to hit one more (as well as maintain his .325 - .323 lead on Mauer in average). I don't think the Triple Crown in the AL has been done since Yaz did it in the late 60's.

Some other stuff to ponder in such a decision:
Since the divisional era began in 1969, there have been just eight seasons where a positions player compiled a 10-WAR season: Barry Bonds three times and one apiece by Joe Morgan, Robin Yount, Cal Ripken, Alex Rodriguez and Sammy Sosa.
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The Triple Crown chase is fun, but that in itself isn't value; in fact, Cabrera actually had a higher OPS in both 2010 and 2011 than he has this season (his OBP is 56 points lower than a year ago). He won't be a terrible MVP choice (his current WAR is 6.6) -- he's not Juan Gonzalez or Jeff Burroughs in 1974 or Andre Dawson in 1987 or anything close to that.
http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/29325/pantheon-seasons

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Only two players in the majors ever have had 30 homers and 50 stolen bases in a single season -- Eric Davis in 1987 and Barry Bonds in 1990.

Trout is only 2 SB's away with 4 games left to play, he could easily do it. I can't see how you don't give it to him then, even considering Miggy's monster offensive year.
 

SP33Demon

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Right now, I don't think the Bosox can take it to anyone. And the O's are good enough that they don't help from the Rays. Plus, the Rays are at home and want to leave on a good note.

The Rays were doomed with the lack of offense, but congrats to Price for being the first Ray with 20 wins in a season. I'm still hoping he gets the Cy.

Price did have an epic season. Too bad it didn't work out for the Rays.

The Rays should just lob meatballs to the O's like Boston did. Holy hell they were throwing them right down the middle. Stick it to NY.
 

rcpratt

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It counts as a Triple Crown if he's tied - they've been counted that way before.

The thing that everybody just needs to get their head around is that statistical milestones are irrelevant to the MVP debate. Whether Miggy can keep the HR lead has nothing to do with it. Whether Trout gets 30/50 has nothing to do with it. Granderson and Rollins both had 20-20-20-20 seasons in 2007 - only done by Frank Schulte and Willie Mays previously. Rollins won the MVP, but Granderson didn't. Statistical milestones are a separate thing.

That said, I think that Miggy is going to win since he has retained his Triple Crown position heading into the last week. He's just gotten too much coverage lately.
 

SP33Demon

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It counts as a Triple Crown if he's tied - they've been counted that way before.

The thing that everybody just needs to get their head around is that statistical milestones are irrelevant to the MVP debate. Whether Miggy can keep the HR lead has nothing to do with it. Whether Trout gets 30/50 has nothing to do with it. Granderson and Rollins both had 20-20-20-20 seasons in 2007 - only done by Frank Schulte and Willie Mays previously. Rollins won the MVP, but Granderson didn't. Statistical milestones are a separate thing.

That said, I think that Miggy is going to win since he has retained his Triple Crown position heading into the last week. He's just gotten too much coverage lately.

You can say it's not about stats but that's what the writers will look at. Trout has done something that has never been done before by a rookie and may never be done again. Miggy is doing something that is rare and a great feat, but it will be done again (in 30 years lol). And not to bring race into it, but when was the last time you saw a white guy with Trout's speed/stolen base ability? He is a modern day Griffey Jr in his prime but faster! He is a 4/5 tool player (arm strength is just average) which we haven't seen since Griffey Jr/Bonds (pre-roids)/Mays.

One other thing to keep in mind is that Trout could still beat out Miggy in average (.321 vs .325).
 

Gunslinger08

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I can't believe the Orioles made the playoffs. I gave up on watching 4-5 games a week a few years ago because it was just too sad. Now I'm getting back into it. Hopefully they can win out and take the division. Would be awesome to see at least a few post season games in Baltimore.
 

basslover1

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Here's to hoping the Rays, Rangers, and Mariners get on a hot streak (Well, the Rays are sort of just need the other two).
 

manly

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LOL at the A's busting out the cheap bubbly to celebrate qualifying for the play-in game. It's worth celebrating, but they still have a small chance of stealing the division from the Rangers.

Million dollar question my baseball friends: If Miggy Cabrera wins the Triple Crown, do you still give the MVP to Trout (first 40 steal/30 HR rookie ever, crushing Cabrera in WAR 10.6 - 6.6, leading MLB in steals)?? Holy hell, this could be one of the toughest votes ever. Also, does Miggy win the triple crown if he's tied in HR's with Hamilton (43 apiece right now)?? Or would he still need to hit one more (as well as maintain his .325 - .323 lead on Mauer in average). I don't think the Triple Crown in the AL has been done since Yaz did it in the late 60's.

Some other stuff to ponder in such a decision:


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Trout is only 2 SB's away with 4 games left to play, he could easily do it. I can't see how you don't give it to him then, even considering Miggy's monster offensive year.
Considering just last season, the voters went with Ryan Braun over Matt Kemp, I think Cabrera is fairly "safe" if he wins the TC. Since the high-payroll Angels missed the playoffs and Mike Trout wasn't on the ML roster for the first four weeks. It could be a close vote but I don't see the MVP voters going with WAR over the Triple Crown, and also overcoming their postseason bias.
 

chowderhead

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Voters also look at who helped their team make it to the playoffs. Rightly or not, Cabrera's team is going and Tout is not and some voters will take the player that helped their team make it to the playoffs. Trout is also fading towards the end of the season, hitting just .270 for August/September (he hit .257 in Sept) . Cabrera is about .330 and Posey is .371. I want to see Posey get the batting title and win the NL MVP and Cabrera in the AL.
 
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SP33Demon

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Trout and Miggy both went 4/5 last night, so now .325 vs .329 for both of them. It's going to come down to these last two games for the batting title and MVP.
 

Squisher

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If someone really thinks that if you replaced Miggy with an average third baseman that the Tigers would only lose 6 more games, I've got swamp land for sale.
 

Svnla

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Go Cards, you can do it just like last year (crossing fingers..and toes too).
 

Perknose

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Voters also look at who helped their team make it to the playoffs. Rightly or not, Cabrera's team is going and Tout is not and some voters will take the player that helped their team make it to the playoffs. Trout is also fading towards the end of the season, hitting just .270 for August/September (he hit .257 in Sept) . Cabrera is about .330 and Posey is .371. I want to see Posey get the batting title and win the NL MVP and Cabrera in the AL.

There's also still a little of the "rook, wait your turn" factor in baseball. I saw an interesting article that said the players and on-field staff were almost all for Carbrera, but that the front office types were almost all for Trout.

WAR on not, I think if Miggy wins the Triple Crown it will be almost impossible to deny him the MVP. Unless he's hit by a bus or falls off a cliff, Trout will get his eventually.
 
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