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Baked

Lifer
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Yay, congrats to the SF Giants for the win with the sweep of Tigers. Now this how a team sport should be played.
 

Slew Foot

Lifer
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Lol, suck it Cabrera. Standing there with your fat ass staring down a fastball down the middle to lose the WS.
 
Feb 19, 2001
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in terms of logistics I hoped that they won tomorrow instead. I got back from partying in SF and slept in HUGE today. I had no intention of driving up especially with work tomorrow. Really did wish I went up to watch it at a bar with my friends at least instead of being at home. However seeing 11 pages of Giants Facebook status updates tells me a lot of people were at home too.

In 2010 they won while I was in class and my ex didn't care about baseball so I couldn't drive up. I missed the parade for some unknown reason too given I was in grad school.

I'll have to see if I can sneak out of work for the parade this year..
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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Congrats Giants.

Could have been my Cards, up 3-1 and played at home but could not close it out. Oh well, next year then.
 

jalaram

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Link

Nice article on all the possible MVPs. Zito's attitude in 2010 led to Lincecum's attitude this year. I love this part:

Indeed. Just look at shortstop Brandon Crawford. Crawford is from the Bay Area, and his parents have been Giants season-ticket holders for many years. His name is even on a commemorative brick outside the Giants' ballpark that his parents bought a dozen years ago. He sat in the stands at the 2002 World Series when the Giants lost. When they won this World Series, it was partially due to his extraordinary fielding at shortstop.
 

jalaram

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Gold glove time. No Trout, but congrats to Rays P Hellickson. I'll leave it to O's and Yankees fans to congratulate their multiple winners.

AL NL
P Jake Peavy/
Jeremy Hellickson Mark Buehrle
C Matt Wieters Yadier Molina
1B Mark Teixeira Adam LaRoche
2B Robinson Cano Darwin Barney
3B Adrian Beltre Chase Headley
SS J.J. Hardy Jimmy Rollins
LF Alex Gordon Carlos Gonzalez
CF Adam Jones Andrew McCutchen
RF Josh Reddick Jason Heyward
 
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rcpratt

Lifer
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Absolutely pathetic that Trout didn't get a gold glove.

Thank god I don't have to look at Delmon Young's face anymore. GTFO.
 

drebo

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Bullshit on Cano's gold glove. Fucker made way too many errors.

I don't understand everyone's hard-on for Cano. He's demonstrated the last three years that he's a gigantic choker.
 

SP33Demon

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Gold gloves are a joke anyway. While I think Trout should have gotten it (whopping 21 BIS Defensive Runs Saved Above Average vs Jones' -13). The last time Jones was positive in this stat was in... 2009. Although Jones did play all 162 games, yet not sure if that's good if you're costing your team runs (negative rating).

McCutchen, for pure comparison sake, was a -5. Trout saved his team 21 runs above the average which is why his dWAR is so high. Denard Span, had he played more games, would have also deserved the GG - 20 Runs Saved in 14 less games than Trout (21) and a higher dWAR to boot.

But hey, at least they got JJ Hardy right.

Maybe voters still look at fielding %, like when Jeter won it last year with zero range. Which doesn't really matter if you cleanly field something hit to you vs getting to balls you have no business getting to, and then making the catch to save runs. How they calculate this, ask BIS (Baseball Info Solutions). Here is their definition:

http://www2.baseballinfosolutions.com/innovations/defensive-runs-saved/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defensive_Runs_Saved

It's on a scale of 0 (league average) to 30. 15-20 = the best fielders on average. Anything negative and you're costing your team runs. Which means Jones was pretty fracking bad.
 

rcpratt

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If you're using less than three defensive metrics to assess performance, you're doing it wrong. All of them are so incredibly inaccurate and different that unless you're looking at the full picture, you're in the dark.
 
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SP33Demon

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Bullshit on Cano's gold glove. Fucker made way too many errors.

I don't understand everyone's hard-on for Cano. He's demonstrated the last three years that he's a gigantic choker.

Cano had a +15 for Defensive Runs Saved, which helped put him in the top 10 dWAR in the AL. I'd say that's pretty dam good. He may have made errors but they didn't cost his team any runs, and the great plays he made saved NY runs.
 

SP33Demon

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If you're using less than three defensive metrics to assess performance, you're doing it wrong. All of them are so incredibly inaccurate and different that unless you're looking at the full picture, you're doing it wrong.

Um, no. Read here for more specifics on what they use to calculate Defensive Runs Saved (DRS):
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/fielding-bible-volume-iii-defensive-runs-saved-updated/

Which includes the 2012 added velocity of every batted ball, 28 and 54 categories of Good Plays/Bad misplays, and batted ball timer relative to Outfielder Arms metric. I think that's a little more than "3 defensive metrics".

The fact that Fangraphs, Baseball Reference, and ESPN all use BIS' (puts out the Fielding Bible every year) Defensive Runs Saved validates it.
 
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