*OFFICIAL* 2012 NFL Playoffs thread

[purbeast0]

eh let's all be real pretty much all the playoff games last weekend looked like varsity teams beating down on jv teams. the texans/bengals game looked like 2 freshman teams going at it.

 

[diesbudt]

And I hope I meet one of the cheerleaders at the game and she falls madly in love with me. If only hope mattered

"In reality, hope is the worst of all evils, because it prolongs man's torments." ~Nietzsche

Do you see the difference? baltimore does have a chance to win. Teams do not get into the playoffs by just drawing names out of a hat.

Sure broncos are the favorite, especially being at home. But that doesn't mean its an auto win, thus there is still a chance for them to pull off an upset. Especially since a team that is hot (broncos) had a week off.

The cheerleader thing couldn't happen in a millions years.

Thus there is a difference between the 2.

 

[diesbudt]

eh let's all be real pretty much all the playoff games last weekend looked like varsity teams beating down on jv teams. the texans/bengals game looked like 2 freshman teams going at it.

Yea good metaphor.

 

[JD50]

Broncos are 9.5 point favorites, the largest line of the four games this week, NE favored by 9 over Houston.

I think there is good reason to question anyone's football IQ that are picking the Ravens as the winner mentally, and not just with their heart as a crime of passion.

Its OK to root for the Ravens or want them to win but when all is said and done, if you believe in your mind that they will win unquestionably, you've allowed the passion you have for your team to cloud your judgement

Now you're back peddling. You said that the Broncos would obliterate the Ravens and anyone who disagrees has a vastly inferior football IQ. So even if the Ravens lose, as long as the game is close, you'll be dead wrong.

 

[dank69]

ACTUALLY, the Colts had a strength of schedule in the middle of the pack based on their opponent's 2011 record. The Redskins actually had a weaker schedule:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/56896/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule

And here I believed you Skins fans when you talked about how incredibly hard their schedule was compared to the Colts. Take a look who had the easiest schedule -- the Patriots.

Wouldn't a better comparison look at the 2012 record? :hmm:

 

[techs]

Because the AFC West and NFC South are grueling divisions to go through. Denver had a cakewalk of a schedule too. 5 of their games were against teams with winning records. Their much vaunted 11-game win streak was against the likes of KCx2, SDx2, OAK, CLE, TB, and CAR.

Plenty of people dumped on Houston for beating up on an easy schedule. I'm not sure why Denver gets this fact passed over.

ACTUALLY, the Colts had a strength of schedule in the middle of the pack based on their opponent's 2011 record. The Redskins actually had a weaker schedule:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/56896/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule

And here I believed you Skins fans when you talked about how incredibly hard their schedule was compared to the Colts. Take a look who had the easiest schedule -- the Patriots.

Yes, but the actual records of the teams they faced in 2012 was far worse than their records the year before. As was pointed out the 2012 records of the teams in Denvers division, against whom they play two games each, was 7-9, 4-12, 2-14. And of those 6 games Denver won all 6.

Baltimore's division opponents were 10-6, 8-8, 5-11. Baltimore faced 23 wins versus Denvers 13 wins. Baltimore went 4-2 against those teams.

Denver's "difficult" schedule included the Steelers and Saints. They went 12-4 and 13-3 in 2011. When Denver played them in 2012 they were on their way to 8-8, 7-9.

So, if Denvers schedule appeared "middle of the pack" based on 2011 numbers their actual strength of schedule based on how the teams did in 2012 when they played them was far, far easier.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Wouldn't a better comparison look at the 2012 record? :hmm:

Strength of schedule is always computed using the opponent's records from the previous year. Now that the season is over you can certainly go back and see how the 2012 schedule stacked up to the 2011 schedule, however.

 

[dank69]

Strength of schedule is always computed using the opponent's records from the previous year. Now that the season is over you can certainly go back and see how the 2012 schedule stacked up to the 2011 schedule, however.

Yeah, and now that techs did that I think it's pretty obvious that 2011 records means absolutely nothing, heh.

 

[diesbudt]

Yeah, and now that techs did that I think it's pretty obvious that 2011 records means absolutely nothing, heh.

Exactly. At the start of the season you can use a previous season to get a feel of a teams schedule.

However once it is said and done, you can look back and see just how easy/hard it really was, instead of the prediction from the previous season

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Yeah, and now that techs did that I think it's pretty obvious that 2011 records means absolutely nothing, heh.

What techs did is meaningless until he compiles it for the entire league and ranks them. Which is a waste of time because I'm sure that will be online soon, if it isn't already. 28 losses on the Colts 2012 SOS will be from the Jags alone. Denver gets the same from KC too.

 

[crownjules]

What techs did is meaningless until he compiles it for the entire league and ranks them. Which is a waste of time because I'm sure that will be online soon, if it isn't already. 28 losses on the Colts 2012 SOS will be from the Jags alone. Denver gets the same from KC too.

Here it is http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule/.

For the remaining playoff teams -

T14 Packers
T17 Seahawks
T17 49ers
T21 Ravens
T21 Texans
T21 Patriots
T28 Broncos
32 Falcons

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Here it is http://nfltraderumors.co/2012-nfl-strength-of-schedule/.

For the remaining playoff teams -

T14 Packers
T17 Seahawks
T17 49ers
T21 Ravens
T21 Texans
T21 Patriots
T28 Broncos
32 Falcons

Thanks.

Here is the 2013 one:

http://www.theredzone.org/Features/NFLStrengthofSchedule.aspx

 

[diesbudt]

Thanks.

Here is the 2013 one:

http://www.theredzone.org/Features/NFLStrengthofSchedule.aspx

How can they do a 2013 one without the conclusion of this season?

Since the outcome of the playoffs and where teams end up has a sligth effect on the equation for difficulty of schedule.

The packers schedule should be interesting next year. Playing:

Vikings x2
Lions x2
Bears x2
Falcons
49ers
Redskins
Bengals
Steelers
Ravens
Browns
Gaints
Cowboys
Eagles
What order and when is unknown. But the teams they play are known.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

How can they do a 2013 one without the conclusion of this season?

The season has concluded. SOS only includes regular season marks AFAIK and with the opponents for next year already released, it is pretty easy to compile it.

 

[Imported]

THAT'S the reason right there why teams are hesitant to have Tebow on their team.

"He could play right now as TE". Really? He has zero catches in the NFL. I guess he might have caught a couple in college. Yet, you are saying he could be a TE right now? Just body wise he would have problems. Aaron Hernandez has him beat by 11 pounds and Aaron is not known as good run blocker. Gronkowski is a good run blocker and he has 29 pounds on Tebow.

Very few qb's successfuly make the transition to another position at the pro level. And yet you're sure Tebow could play right now. Off the top of my head I looked up Vonta Leach one of the best FB's playing. He is 24 pounds heavier than Tebow. Not to mention how few, if any, RB's or FB's are 6-3. Adrian Peterson is tall at 6-1.

I would not want to deal with Tebows fans who have no sense of reality when it comes to his talent or even the basics of football. But who will scream like hell if Tebow is benched.

He might work at FB.. I'd don't think he'd work at TE or RB though. Bruce Miller, the FB for the 49ers, was a converted defensive end and is 6'2". He does have a good 15 pounds on Tebow though.

That said, Tebow has a better shot in the CFL or something.

 

[AMDZen]

Now you're back peddling. You said that the Broncos would obliterate the Ravens and anyone who disagrees has a vastly inferior football IQ. So even if the Ravens lose, as long as the game is close, you'll be dead wrong.

I couldn't care less if I'm "dead wrong" but I won't be, you will be however so I'll be along Sunday or something to tell you how wrong you were

BTW what is obliterate? I didn't define it, so I will now. 10 pts is obliterate IMO because we're bound to give garbage time points in the 4th

 

[AMDZen]

Ravens D is garbage? They didn't allow a TD against the Colts, who were 10th in the NFL in offense. Stop making yourself look dumb.

They gave up 152 yards and an average of 5.1 yards per carry to Vick Ballard

Imagine how many rushing yards they give up this week vs Moreno who is on fire. I think at least just as many if not more. The difference will be PFM will not make mistakes in the red zone and those yards will lead to points.

 

[JD50]

I couldn't care less if I'm "dead wrong" but I won't be, you will be however so I'll be along Sunday or something to tell you how wrong you were

BTW what is obliterate? I didn't define it, so I will now. 10 pts is obliterate IMO because we're bound to give garbage time points in the 4th

I'm not the one saying that everyone that disagrees with me has a "vastly inferior football IQ." There's plenty of good reasons why this game could be close.

 

[AMDZen]

I'm not the one saying that everyone that disagrees with me has a "vastly superior football IQ." There's plenty of good reasons why this game could be close.

Fine fine. I understand your point and concede it. I've tried to explain before, that comment was to those who have questioned my football knowledge in the past and I take it back and acknowledge I was wrong. OK?

That being said, if you honestly believe the Ravens will WIN THIS GAME, YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!!!! J/k

 

[techs]

He might work at FB..

I just don't see Tebow at FB. I did a quick look up of Hynoski from the Giants. He's 6-1 266 vs. Tebows 6-3 236.

Even the Jets FB, Lex Hillard who is only 240 pounds packs that into a 5-11 frame. Todays FB's are far more solidly build than Tebow. And to be honest I didn't see Tebow exactly blowing out people blocking when he was in the wildcat and didn't get the ball.

 

[techs]

That being said, if you honestly believe the Ravens will WIN THIS GAME, YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT!!!! J/k

Let me clear things up.
This is sports. Its not freaking life and death.
You're completely allowed to go over the top and question other peoples family history when they say something that you disagree with.

I say go for it.

That said, any moron who thinks the Ravens don't have a good shot at beating the Broncos needs to lay off the bath salts.

 

[manly]

He might work at FB.. I'd don't think he'd work at TE or RB though. Bruce Miller, the FB for the 49ers, was a converted defensive end and is 6'2". He does have a good 15 pounds on Tebow though.

That said, Tebow has a better shot in the CFL or something.

he's a good athlete and could work at FB, a relatively non-skilled position. Shouldn't be that hard to bulk up 15 pounds on a big frame. Unfortunately FB is kind of an obsolete position nowadays across the league.

I doubt he has the hands required of a modern TE and we've already seen he's far from a throwing QB in the NFL. Heck, even hometown JAX doesn't want him just to sell tickets.

I doubt the CFL works because they are pass-happy as well. Heck, why are we even discussing options for a guy that couldn't beat out San-chise or Greg McElroy lol.

 

[JD50]

• Corey Graham, Chykie Brown, and Cary Williams are playing much better.
• Ray Lewis and Dannel Ellerbe are starting at ILB.
• Suggs is healthier.
• The O-line is finally healthy and actually playing the right positions. McKinnie - Osemele - Birk - Yanda - Oher is what Ravens fans have been calling for all year
• Caldwell has had more than 3 days as the OC
• The Ravens are built to beat the Steelers, a good cold weather team with a good cold weather QB. Peyton is not (so far) a good cold weather QB.
• Bernard Pierce is emerging as a great compliment to Ray Rice

That's just off the top of my head.

 

[techs]

Thanks.

Here is the 2013 one:

http://www.theredzone.org/Features/NFLStrengthofSchedule.aspx

Interesting. The AFC West has 4 out of the top 7 easiest schedules. Obviously because the division was so awful in 2012 outside of the Broncos.

In fact, the AFC West had by far the fewest victories of any division in football despite the fact that the Broncos went 13-3.

 

[AMDZen]

Moving on to the other games.

The NFC games are so much harder to determine but I'm going to go with Seattle, San Francisco I think, but I think that game will be the closest game of the weekend