*OFFICIAL* 2012 NFL Playoffs thread

[manly]

I'm not so sure. The whistle was blown several seconds before the ball was snapped. He knew the kick wouldn't count.

you can't be sure, but some things we do know. (We know that on the official try, the kicker was successful which is the bad outcome anyway.) We know that there's no statistical evidence that icing the kicker works in the pros (I'm not sure about college tbh). Finally, I believe kickers have said that they get a practice kick when the opponent calls a time out. The FG unit is trying to execute as if it's the real deal and if they miss, they can try to adjust on the official attempt.

The last reason is compelling to me, and would explain why icing the kicker has no statistical basis to back it up.

My personal opinion is that long field goals are hard enough, why would you give the kicker, who's already under massive pressure, that extra practice kick?

If you're interested in some stats to debunk some of the conventional wisdom in sports (i.e. what is the cause of home field advantage?), check out Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won.

Is there room for debate anymore on Manning vs Brady? Manning chokes in the playoffs again, Brady goes to work.

Plenty of room! Eli has defeated Tom twice in Super Bowls, no?

 

[diesbudt]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline
Peyton Manning waited an hour and a half after the game was over to congratulate Ray Lewis:

http://predominantlyorange.com/2013/...is-after-loss/




Did Peyton only have a one year contract with Denver???

No 4-5yr contract (can't remember exactly). Though no one is certain if he will be able to stick it out the whole time.

 

[diesbudt]

you can't be sure, but some things we do know. (We know that on the official try, the kicker was successful which is the bad outcome anyway.) We know that there's no statistical evidence that icing the kicker works in the pros (I'm not sure about college tbh). Finally, I believe kickers have said that they get a practice kick when the opponent calls a time out. The FG unit is trying to execute as if it's the real deal and if they miss, they can try to adjust on the official attempt.

The last reason is compelling to me, and would explain why icing the kicker has no statistical basis to back it up.

My personal opinion is that long field goals are hard enough, why would you give the kicker, who's already under massive pressure, that extra practice kick?

If you're interested in some stats to debunk some of the conventional wisdom in sports (i.e. what is the cause of home field advantage?), check out Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won.


Plenty of room! Eli has defeated Tom twice in Super Bowls, no?

This is why Pete Carrol was mad. He called a time out (refs waved hands and blew whistle 3 seconds before the snap of the ball aka... when they heard the whistle went ahead and snapped it)

Before the game started Pete carrol asked the refs if it is allowed to have a practice kick if a TO is called, and they said no it was not as long as the ball wasn't snapped when the TO finally is called out on teh field (1-2s delay)

Thus he was upset there was not a penalty for snapping/kicking the ball after the whistle.

But yes, icing is a bad idea now. Teams have even begun to expect it. It is better to not call it but look like you are. This way the offense will have just a slight doubt if this first kick will count or not.

 

[AstroManLuca]

The debate has been over for years IMO. Brady is the greatest qb of all time.

That's a funny way of spelling Joe Montana.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

you can't be sure, but some things we do know. (We know that on the official try, the kicker was successful which is the bad outcome anyway.) We know that there's no statistical evidence that icing the kicker works in the pros (I'm not sure about college tbh). Finally, I believe kickers have said that they get a practice kick when the opponent calls a time out. The FG unit is trying to execute as if it's the real deal and if they miss, they can try to adjust on the official attempt.

The last reason is compelling to me, and would explain why icing the kicker has no statistical basis to back it up.

My personal opinion is that long field goals are hard enough, why would you give the kicker, who's already under massive pressure, that extra practice kick?

If you're interested in some stats to debunk some of the conventional wisdom in sports (i.e. what is the cause of home field advantage?), check out Scorecasting: The Hidden Influences Behind How Sports Are Played and Games Are Won.


Plenty of room! Eli has defeated Tom twice in Super Bowls, no?

So Brady gets a knock for making superbowls and losing them? Where was Peyton while Brady "choked" at the superbowls? Same place you and I were. On the couch watching.

 

[manly]

So Brady gets a knock for making superbowls and losing them? Where was Peyton while Brady "choked" at the superbowls? Same place you and I were. On the couch watching.

Check your sarcasm meter (the original Q was intended to be PM vs Brady). Nor did I ever use the word choked but you quoted it anyway. Touchy, aren't we?

FWIW I'm a Tom Brady fan but yes, his SB record (3-2) is clearly inferior to Montana's (4-0). If you want to talk about entire career achievement, that's a different story and one where on paper, Peyton is still in the conversation. (I personally don't believe Peyton belongs in the conversation with Montana and Brady.)

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

That's a funny way of spelling Joe Montana.

Joe Montana had a great team and kept it. That's the way it was in those days. With the salary cap now Brady has had to do much more with a lot less. Every time someone has gotten too big the Pats have had to let them go because they couldn't afford them.
I have never seen a qb like Brady that can just turn it on like he does. I've watched games where he gets pissed off on the sideline then next possession go in and score a td.
Btw I'm in Texas and always have been here. I'm not some annoying yank screaming about clam chowder and how da pats are da best yo. I truly believe he is the greatest qb ever.

 

[bignateyk]

Did AMDzen ever show up? He's probably still frozen to the stands by his tears.

 

[ichy]

Here's a statistic for all the Flacco haters out there. In his first five seasons Peyton Manning made it to eight playoff games and won three of them. So far in the five seasons that he's played Joe Flacco has played in eleven playoff games and won eight. Hmmmm.

 

[bignateyk]

As much as I hate the Ravens, I'm glad they won to make AMDzen eat shit. I also hate the Pats, so I'll probably root for the Ravens to make it to the super bowl :'(

Hopefully it will be a Harbowl with the 9ers winning it all.

 

[purbeast0]

This is why Pete Carrol was mad. He called a time out (refs waved hands and blew whistle 3 seconds before the snap of the ball aka... when they heard the whistle went ahead and snapped it)

Before the game started Pete carrol asked the refs if it is allowed to have a practice kick if a TO is called, and they said no it was not as long as the ball wasn't snapped when the TO finally is called out on teh field (1-2s delay)

Thus he was upset there was not a penalty for snapping/kicking the ball after the whistle.

But yes, icing is a bad idea now. Teams have even begun to expect it. It is better to not call it but look like you are. This way the offense will have just a slight doubt if this first kick will count or not.

did he state this in the post season presser or something? got a link to the story?

if that is true then wow he is an even bigger baby than i thought.

there are numerous plays throughout a game where the play continues 3-4 seconds after the whistles are blown. it's not like he is new to football or something.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No 4-5yr contract (can't remember exactly). Though no one is certain if he will be able to stick it out the whole time.

IIRC, I thought that his contract was similar to how his last contract with the Colts worked -- this year was the only guaranteed year and the Broncos have the option to extend it based on the results of a physical at the end of the season.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Here's a statistic for all the Flacco haters out there. In his first five seasons Peyton Manning made it to eight playoff games and won three of them. So far in the five seasons that he's played Joe Flacco has played in eleven playoff games and won eight. Hmmmm.

I find this humorous coming from you after all the Ravens doom and gloom you were spouting at the end of the season.

 

[diesbudt]

IIRC, I thought that his contract was similar to how his last contract with the Colts worked -- this year was the only guaranteed year and the Broncos have the option to extend it based on the results of a physical at the end of the season.

Peyton Manning signed a 5 year contract for $96million.

It was not a 1 year + extension.

First 2 years are suppossed to pay much more than last 3 years, thus more money "up front"

 

[Red Storm]

Calling a timeout before a kick has become so common that IMHO the actual way to ice a kicker would be to not call a timeout.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Peyton Manning signed a 5 year contract for $96million.

It was not a 1 year + extension.

First 2 years are suppossed to pay much more than last 3 years, thus more money "up front"

http://www.sbnation.com/2012-nfl-fr...887461/peyton-manning-contract-denver-broncos

As it stands right now, Manning's deal is essentially a one-year deal for $18 million guaranteed, but if he's fully healthy in March of 2013, it will jump to a total of $58 million guaranteed for the first three years.

 

[purbeast0]

I find this humorous coming from you after all the Ravens doom and gloom you were spouting at the end of the season.

dude it is just how ravens fans are. the majority are as fairweather as they come. one weekend they are calling for his head, the next he is in canton.

i mean, he just compared flacco to peyton manning...

 

[IndyColtsFan]

dude it is just how ravens fans are. the majority are as fairweather as they come. one weekend they are calling for his head, the next he is in canton.

i mean, he just compared flacco to peyton manning...

I believe Flacco is playing for a contract extension too, which probably is motivating him in the playoffs. I wonder if he signs a huge extension and then stinks it up.

 

[gorcorps]

As much as I hate the Ravens, I'm glad they won to make AMDzen eat shit.

It makes me sad that one annoying fan can drag down the public opinion of an entire team :\

I'm not entirely happy he's part of the fanbase either but I can't change that.

 

[Red Storm]

If my team isn't involved I almost always go for the underdog, so I was happily rooting for the Ravens.

 

[SP33Demon]

As much as I hate the Ravens, I'm glad they won to make AMDzen eat shit. I also hate the Pats, so I'll probably root for the Ravens to make it to the super bowl :'(

Hopefully it will be a Harbowl with the 9ers winning it all.

If the Ravens can again successfully jam NE's midget receivers (are any even over 6-0?) at the line, they will win again. If NE can somehow counter this, then they will win. However, they cannot plan for this.

 

[JEDI]

Why did the Falcons do an offside kick in the last 30 sec of the game?
That allowed the seahawks to have the ball at their own 45yd line!

with 2 plays left, why did the seahawks just do a 10yd play instead 25+ yd to get into field goal range?
there was no point in this 10yd play. their last play is the same as if they missed on the 25yd play.. the Hail Mary

WTF Seahawks?

 

[ichy]

I find this humorous coming from you after all the Ravens doom and gloom you were spouting at the end of the season.

All the Ravens doom and gloom? At one point I said they were one of the weakest teams going into the playoffs (obviously an incorrect prediction) but that was as harsh as I got. I've never been a member of the hysterical "cut Flacco/fire Harbaugh/etc etc" crowd. Some people were honestly suggesting they Ravens should replace Flacco with Michael Vick.

 

[ichy]

dude it is just how ravens fans are. the majority are as fairweather as they come. one weekend they are calling for his head, the next he is in canton.

i mean, he just compared flacco to peyton manning...

You're a lying asshole. No one other than you has said anything about Flacco being in the Hall of Fame.

 

[JEDI]

Ravens/Denver:

With the game tied, 30 sec left, and 2 timeouts, why did Denver let the clock wind down and decide to fight it out in overtime?!

You have Peyton!
you easily could have done 3 plays in that time frame for a chance to get into field goal range.

WTF Denver?