OFFICIAL 2012 NFL week 15 thread

[diesbudt]

It is kinda funny that th cards have 5 wins, half of which came against th Packers and Pats. That's what you call a quirky league.

Just hope the giants can keep choking it up, would love to see their record looking up to the jets.

Week 9

Packers 31
Cardinals 17


...?

 

[diesbudt]

Arizona beat NE, not TOM BRADY and they were a decent team at the time, like Denver is good now they were kinda crappy in the early weeks, teams build and then some fall (Bears, cough, Bears). Anyway you will get your wish, with the NE loss last night all Denver has to do is beat Clev/KC at home the next 2 weeks and NE will be forced to Denver for any playoff game..

Bears are normally the NFC team to tailspin the 2nd half of the season. Because they do not have a good offense. Their defense does well first half the season against offense's still waking up to the season in motion. 2nd half they struggle, and their offense still doesn't do shit.

7-1 ---> 8-6. (1-5 in last 6 games. Bears are practically 1 loss from maybe not making the playoffs)

 

[diesbudt]

or you could be the Pats and do exactly that year after year, being one of the worst franchises ever....only to luck out with a scrub in the last round of the draft, then start him over some other dumb serendipity, then proceed to establish a 2 decades-long dynasty.


you know, go figure

basically...meaningless platitudes. hindsight and all that...no point in trying to make such meaningless predictions in sports, etc...

The Jets will go undefeated next year. might as well say that.--It's no less true.

To add to this.

Brett Favre. Low draft pick by the falcons. Was bench warmer, until Packers traded for him, as a backup. Season ending injury to Packers Qb starter. And Bam, one of the strongest QBs the NFL has ever seen. Good QBs can come from anywhere.

(Do not confuse strongest with best. Favre was amazing in his prime, although I would not call him the best. Strongest I mean, his passes broke fingers... Many many feeble fingers... broken.)

 

[Nemesis 1]

The Viking for their record last year had a strange line up of games this season . They had the hardest games of all teams why does a team that finished 3rd worst llast year end up with playing these teams . Again A year the NFLL officials Help GB win games they last . This years it was against chicago in the first game . 2 years ago GB should not have been in the playoffs at all . MMN beat them in the first game . Officals took away a touch down and gave GB a touch down . A game that the NFL apologized to MN for . That same year 2 other games were stolen and GB was given the victory . If one goes and looks at history of NFL GB has won more games that they actually lost . Than any team in history of NFL . That is sad .

 

[IndyColtsFan]

To add to this.

Brett Favre. Low draft pick by the falcons.

Favre was a second-round pick of the Falcons, towards the top of the round (33rd pick overall and IIRC, there were 28 teams at the time). Definitely not a low draft pick. Joe Montana would've been a better player to use in your example, but even he was picked in the third round (towards the end). Both were also drafted when the NFL draft still had 12 rounds as well.

 

[diesbudt]

The Viking for their record last year had a strange line up of games this season . They had the hardest games of all teams why does a team that finished 3rd worst llast year end up with playing these teams . Again A year the NFLL officials Help GB win games they last . This years it was against chicago in the first game . 2 years ago GB should not have been in the playoffs at all . MMN beat them in the first game . Officals took away a touch down and gave GB a touch down . A game that the NFL apologized to MN for . That same year 2 other games were stolen and GB was given the victory . If one goes and looks at history of NFL GB has won more games that they actually lost . Than any team in history of NFL . That is sad .

You make no sense.

First, the NFL have not made any game changeing major mistakes last few years for any team. At least nothing no where near the Touch-ception the seahawks-Packers game had. Not saying the refs are perfect, but I would remember a bad call for or against a team in any game I watch. So you may have bias-blinders on there bud. I do not go out their blaming the refs whenever the packers lose. Unless it is legit. (Again look at the seahawks - Packers game, first time I ever blamed a loss/win on the refs.)

Also it had it would have been all over the place, and nfl.com and fans and so on would have commented on it to the extreme that would be expected. But it was not and thus is a dillusion.

And the refs helped the packer's beat the bears this year? ...because holding Brandon Marshall to 2 rec all game, and sacking their Qb enough times to make his head spin was all the refs doing. Right.

Secondly, a teams schedule is predictable every year.

A team plays 16 games
~6 divison games (2 times each division opponent. This means the vikings will play the lionsx2, packersx2, bearsx2.
~The whole divison plays 1 whole divison of the NFC (This season it is the NFC West for the vikings/packers/bears/lions [49ers, seahawks, rams, cardinals])
~The whole divison plays 1 whole divison of the AFC (This season it is the AFC South for the vikings/packers/bears/lions [texans, titans, colts, jaguars])
~The final 2 games are NFC games against teams who ended up the same rank in their NFC division as the vikings. (Not counting NFC west as they already play them via division rotation)

This means. Besides those 2 final games scheduled, and playing each other twice. The teams in each divison have the same schedule.

(For the packers, they got Saints and Giants as they also won their divison last year)
(The vikings got redskins and buccanneers as they also lost their divisons (4/4 place))

So saying that the vikings have the hardest schedule... is ludacris at best.

 

[diesbudt]

Favre was a second-round pick of the Falcons, towards the top of the round (33rd pick overall and IIRC, there were 28 teams at the time). Definitely not a low draft pick.

You sure, I swore he was 4th round?

meh. Whatever. My information may suck for this, but the fact still remains, QBs have come from no where and done well before.

Edit:

Steve young - Supplemental draft
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tom Brady - 6th round.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You sure, I swore he was 4th round?

100% sure.

meh. Whatever. My information may suck for this, but the fact still remains, QBs have come from no where and done well before.

Edit:

Steve young - Supplemental draft
Kurt Warner - Undrafted
Tom Brady - 6th round.

Steve Young is probably another bad example -- he would've been a high NFL draft pick but teams stayed away from him due to his USFL commitment. Tampa was smart to use a supplemental pick on him, which was pretty low risk.

Warner is probably the best example possible though.

 

[diesbudt]

100% sure.



Steve Young is probably another bad example -- he would've been a high NFL draft pick but teams stayed away from him due to his USFL commitment. Tampa was smart to use a supplemental pick on him, which was pretty low risk.

Warner is probably the best example possible though.

I will agree steve young isn't a great example. but still one at that.

Kurt Warner is one of the best stories from nothing to a QB with some NFL records, and 2 Super bowl trips (1 win, 1 loss). Even helped the cardinals make it to their first ever superbowl. Something I was certain I would never see in my lifetime.

I mean sure, the top pick QBs are always great or bust. But there is quality in the later picks, just need to find them and/or develop them.

Top pick QBs normally go big (Manning, Elway, Aikman, etc.) or bust (Ex Raiders QB, Vince Young, etc.), never a middle ground really. However this does not mean that their isn't good QBs in the late draft whether unpicked or undeveloped by a good QB coach in the NFL. It does not mean it will happen overnight, or to a large percentage of the QBs out there will be good from low draft pick or undrafted. But it can and has happened before.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Kurt Warner is one of the best stories from nothing to a QB with some NFL records, and 2 Super bowl trips (1 win, 1 loss).

I've always wondered how many more SBs he could've won had Martz not been named HC in St. Louis.

 

[diesbudt]

I've always wondered how many more SBs he could've won had Martz not been named HC in St. Louis.

I do not know. But those Rams in that super bowl season were a monsterous team. Werent they nicknamed the greatest show on turf?

 

[Childs]

I've always wondered how many more SBs he could've won had Martz not been named HC in St. Louis.

If Vermeil would have stuck around, with Lovie and Martz as the coordinators, we would have seen the Rams vs Pats in the Superbowl at least 2 more times. Actually, the Rams probably just needed to keep Warner.

 

[techs]

If the Jets win their last two games they make it to the playoffs.

There really is no justice in this world.

 

[KeithTalent]

If the Jets win their last two games they make it to the playoffs.

There really is no justice in this world.

Jets are eliminated. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321217010

KT

 

[diesbudt]

If the Jets win their last two games they make it to the playoffs.

There really is no justice in this world.

Please tell me you are being a troll. I cannot believe this.

 

[diesbudt]

Jets are eliminated. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321217010

KT

Actually, they are not. Looking up tie-breaking procedures.

If the Bengals lose out (to the ravens and steelers), and the steelers beat the Bengals but lose in their other game, and the Jets win out.

Jets would tie those 2 in record. But also hold the tiebreaker against both with a better AFC record by 1 game. (Dolphins are also not knocked out by the same reasoning. Though the jets must lose a game along with above, and Miami must win out)

[Correction: Because of a head-head loss to the steelers, the Jets cannot make the playoffs, however miama is still in the running, because they did not play steelers head-head, and could have a better AFC record.]

Teams knocked out:

New York Jets
Cleveland Browns
San Diego Chargers
Tennessee Titans
Buffalo Bills
Oakland Raiders
Jacksonville Jags
Kansas City Chiefs

New Orleans Saints
Tampa bay Bucs
Carolina Panthers
Arizona Cardinals
Detriot Lions
Philadelphia Eagles

 

[dank69]

Actually, they are not. Looking up tie-breaking procedures.

If the Bengals lose out (to the ravens and steelers), and the steelers beat the Bengals but lose in their other game, and the Jets win out.

Jets would tie those 2 in record. But also hold the tiebreaker against both with a better AFC record by 1 game.

Jets lost to the Steelers

 

[techs]

Jets are eliminated. http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=321217010

KT

In todays New York Times it says that it was a surprise to even "Feets" Ryan that in fact they would win the tie breakers and make it in.

 

[bignateyk]

The first tie breaker is head to head. They lost to the Steelers, so they are out. (At least with regard to your original theory regarding Cinci and Pitt)

 

[diesbudt]

Jets lost to the Steelers

Oh yea. Good point.

Then I stand corrected.

(for those interested, 3way tiebreaker for wild card positions are):

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

 

[dank69]

In todays New York Times it says that it was a surprise to even "Feets" Ryan that in fact they would win the tie breakers and make it in.

New York Times is on crack. Best Jets can do is 8-8, there are 5 teams in AFC with 9+ wins already leaving 1 spot open for an 8-8 team. Cincy has 8 wins already, if they win one more Jets are out even if they win out. If Steelers win out they end up 9-7 and Jets are out even if Cincy drops final two.

 

[diesbudt]

The first tie breaker is head to head. They lost to the Steelers, so they are out. (At least with regard to your original theory regarding Cinci and Pitt)

Actually that is the 2nd tiebreaker.

If cincinnati, had a better divison w/l record. And beat steelers out of the divison tiebreaker record. Then teh steelers would not be up for discussion when it came to the Jets tiebreaker.

However since the steelers would win a tiebreaker with the bengals. They would be the team the jets would have to break a tie with. In which case being corrected upon, the jets would not have the tie breaker.

 

[bignateyk]

Oh yea. Good point.

Then I stand corrected.

(for those interested, 3way tiebreaker for wild card positions are):

1. Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
2. Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in conference games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

That would be pretty ridiculous if it ever came down to a coin toss.

 

[techs]

The first tie breaker is head to head. They lost to the Steelers, so they are out. (At least with regard to your original theory regarding Cinci and Pitt)

I went looking for the article and that part is no longer in it. So, indeed they may be out.

 

[techs]

Ok, here's one.
If Alex Smith gets in and throws 7 more passes he could win the passer rating crown.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/18/alex-smith-can-still-win-passer-rating-crown/

Keep an eye on what San Francisco does with Alex Smith over the next two weeks.

Coach Jim Harbaugh might want to make sure Smith gets a few more passes, particularly in what could be a meaningless Week 17 game for the 49ers against the Cardinals.

Smith has a passer rating of 104.1, and Aaron Rodgers, Robert Griffin III and Peyton Manning are all within one point of Smith, who ranks third in the league. As it stands, unless Smith attempts seven more passes this season, he will be ineligible to win the passer rating crown, but if Harbaugh is so inclined, he could help Smith qualify.

Smith also has a 70.0 completion percentage, but again, is seven attempts short of qualifying. If Smith completes nine of nine passes over the next two games, he will break the single-season completion percentage record set by Drew Brees last year. That’s not too bad for a backup quarterback.