in Aug, my small cap fund will be 1yr old, thus qualify for 15% tax rate.
hold on, or sell to free up cash to speculate?
what % of your total net worth?
in Aug, my small cap fund will be 1yr old, thus qualify for 15% tax rate.
hold on, or sell to free up cash to speculate?
I don't know if there's value in RIM as a stock investment, having looked at it briefly last year when there was less pessimism. Honestly, it's old news by now but it's increasingly apparent RIM is fated to the tech scrap heap like Palm is. The smartphone market has been growing like gangbusters for 2 years and RIM and Nokia could not help but bleed away market share.I respect your opinion. I disagree with it, but definitely respect it.
I'm just at a loss of words when someone would consider RIMM for an investment but not AAPL, when their concerns about AAPL would be the same concerns for RIMM. That is without mentioning the obvious fact that the two companies are heading in opposite directions.
what % of your total net worth?
define net worth.
ie: including house? 401k?
in any event, i have 6 figures in small cap fund, which is 2/3's of my available cash.
the rest of it is in a money market/checking acct, cd's, or I-bonds.
eh, keep it. but i guess depends on what valuations are in aug.
RIMM should hire Jon Rubinstein and spend every penny of their free cash to buy back the stock.
facebook to start IPO filing next week
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204573704577187062821038498.html
what say ATOT investing gurus? next google?
They're not a LinkedIn or Groupon since they actually make money, but the price on opening day will probably be boosted (pre-market) so much, that it'd be "stupid" to buy. That's not to say that it won't go up...
So how much are you going to buy?
And why wouldn't they do the same thing with AAPL, which you seem to bash all the time?
What I get from this post is that you would rather invest in RIMM than AAPL.
Is RIMM a value stock or a growth stock? What is AAPL? You contradict yourself a lot.
I'm just at a loss of words when someone would consider RIMM for an investment but not AAPL, when their concerns about AAPL would be the same concerns for RIMM. That is without mentioning the obvious fact that the two companies are heading in opposite directions.
Who are Mike and Jim? A guy named Thorsten is the CEO.I wouldn't spend a penny on RIM unless they literally throw Mike and Jim off of the company property. The new guy is a figurehead and isn't changing anything.
I don't know if there's value in RIM as a stock investment, having looked at it briefly last year when there was less pessimism. Honestly, it's old news by now but it's increasingly apparent RIM is fated to the tech scrap heap like Palm is. The smartphone market has been growing like gangbusters for 2 years and RIM and Nokia could not help but bleed away market share.
When the industry is growing sales at a phenomenal rate and you're getting your clock cleaned, how does that bode for a turnaround under more competitive conditions? Maybe there's deep value at such a low multiple but plenty of uncertainty to go along with it.
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Depends on who your broker is...Some brokers are not specific and do FIFO by default for you unless YOU tell them what you want(most people by default are not aware that they can do this). Others display everything and allow you to pick which specific trade lot you want to sell.if i buy at multiple dates, do i still choose which price i sell at when i do my taxes?
in 2011, Vanguard forced me to pick one of the buy prices at the time i sold the EFT.
but my other brokrage house didnt???
40% worldwide market share huh?IHateMyJob2004 said:This is a worldwide market. There is more than the US in this world. In many countries (MANY), blackberry's are the defacto standard that people want. Blackberry has 40% worldwide market share. That is not a small percentage. Why do you think RIMM generates billions in free cash flow and has no debt?
Heh.RIMM should hire Jon Rubinstein and spend every penny of their free cash to buy back the stock.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=32606115&postcount=2356Any thoughts on RIMM?
Prem Watsa sits on the board and just doubled his holding to be about 5% of all shares outstanding.
Quite frankly, if all you had were the financial statements and you knew the market cap but you didn't know the company that the financials were tied to, you would probably buy it.
Depends on who your broker is...Some brokers are not specific and do FIFO by default for you unless YOU tell them what you want(most people by default are not aware that they can do this). Others display everything and allow you to pick which specific trade lot you want to sell.
Wells Trade supports "specific identification" of shares. Every lot is it's own trade. You can choose which specific lot you want to sell.
Vanguard supports this too but I think you have to email them and identify which specific lot you want to sell. If you don't, they will call you which is very nice of them.
Fidelity supports this also I believe.
Can't say the same about the other brokers. Many brokers are lazy and will tell you it's up to spend hours using Microsoft Excel to track your average cost basis.
From the IRS point of view I believe they say that you are required to have written confirmation from the broker that identifies the lot or lots that you are selling. Many brokers, especially discount brokers, simply won't do this and say it is up to you to keep track of your basis.
I don't do any of that tracking cost basis nonsense.
I don't.Explain?!
how do you reconsile profit/loss on your taxes???
I don't.
Wells Trade supports "specific identification" of shares. Every lot is it's own trade. You can choose which specific lot you want to sell from.
Every time I make a trade, they don't mix it with the previous ones I've made on the same stock and therefore there is no "average" cost basis for them(or me) to calculate.
For example: Apple is currently worth $1.34/share
You bought 100 shares of Apple @ $1/share = $100
You bought 10 shares of Orange @ $100/share = $1,000
You bought 50 shares of Apple @ $0.8/share = $40
You bought 40 shares of Orange @ $92/share = $3,680
You bought 30 shares of Apple @ $2/share = $60
If I want to sell 10 shares of Apple, my Broker allows me to specifically pick which lot to sell from. For tax loss harvesting purposes, I pick the Apple @ $2/share lot and sell it.
Others will simply do FIFO by default meaning they automatically sell from the lot you bought from first which was the Apple @ $1/share lot.
Other brokers are lazy and will simply report you an "average" cost basis. In this case, your average cost basis of Apple is $1.111/share. If you sell 20 shares, that's $3.78 in profit. A few traders plug their trades in Microsoft Excel to use a different accounting method from what their brokers used if they don't agree with the particular method being used to track profit/loss. I don't have time to do any of that, so I only use brokers that support "specific identification" of shares. Wells Trade, Vanguard, and Fidelity supports that...Scottrade did not support this(as of 2 years ago?...not sure about now). I can't say the same about other brokers.
Wells Trade will tell you the cost basis of the shares you sell. It will be the amount of money you used to purchase those exact lot of shares that you are selling and not an "average" cost basis. That means you don't have to do any crazy math or plug values in Microsoft Excel and keep track of your profit/loss trades for hours on end.
"Why I oppose Financial Stability
Financial Stability became a topic in the late 1990s, at a time of peak laxity in international financial supervision. The same minds which promoted the Financial Stability Forum (now the Financial Stability Board) also crafted the deeply flawed and destructive Basel II.
I have never understood why Financial Stability should be an objective of public policy. Desirable, measurable outcomes of benefit to the public should be the objectives of public policy. Stability is a silly and impractical goal in a capitalist economy. Success and failure of competitive firms are the basis for economic progress, capital allocation and market pricing. Capitalism requires recognition of failure, and failure always causes economic loss and some instability as past assumptions are re-examined and re-assessed more objectively in light of current painful reality.
The management of failure can contribute to better future outcomes, but only if the costs of failure are born by those who caused the failure and not by those innocent of it. The 1990s policies promoted by regulators during the Great Moderation aimed to forestall failure by disguising it, delaying it, and subsidising it. Since the collapse of securitisation and inter-bank credit markets in 2008, governments have been too willing to socialise the costs of failure (by then magnified with leverage) to taxpayers through serial bailouts.
One strength of the US banking system from the 1930s to the 1980s was that failures were dealt with quickly and certainly. Foreclosed properties had to be sold by banks within two years of repossession, leading to a quick and certain reallocation of assets from failed borrowers to new owners. The FDIC swiftly and mercilessly shut down failed banks. New owners - often buying at distressed prices - were encouraged to invest in making the assets productive and profitable. It was this simple recycling from failed managers to better managers that was largely behind the short recessions and strong recoveries during this period of American economic history. With forbearance now institutionalized at all levels of the US economy, we are seeing Japanification instead of recovery. And it is even worse just about everywhere else where dominant banks are much more influential.
Financial Stability - like national security - can never be objectively confirmed as achieved. It is more often used to disguise the ulterior aims of its proponents, or to misdirect attention in aid of bad public policy that harms rather than promotes the public interest. For example, the Greenspan Put was a brilliant mechanism for ensuring financial stability by preventing any adjustment of the markets in response to the S&L crisis or dot-com bust. The Bernanke Put and Paulson Plan were financial stability solutions to the securitisation fraud crisis that revealed the undercapitalisation of global banks and over-leveraging of real estate. Bank bailouts and special liquidity facilities were financial stability innovations to prevent mark downs of mis-priced and illiquid capital assets.
Rather than review whether massive financial deregulation and promoting concentration in a few incumbents was in the public interest, the Greenspan Put, Bernanke Put, liquidity facility innovations and public bailouts have disguised misallocation of capital by pumping the markets with taxpayer funds and monetary laxity whenever they began to flag. Financial Stability initiatives have therefore taught incumbent bankers that any disruption is an excuse to double down on bad bets as the central banks and state treasuries would flood enough cash to make bad bets come good. MF Global made this bet, and although it (and its clients) won't be collecting, I expect the creditors/counterparties that seized all its collateral assets expect to come out way ahead.
I oppose Financial Stability because it is the most misleading banner for a set of bad, harmful and expensive public policies protecting bad executive management and preventing recognition of realistic market outcomes.
So what would I promote instead? Resiliency and resolution. Resiliency means the ability to withstand stresses and shocks which will unavoidably arise in global, competitive markets. Resolution means the dispersion of assets to creditors - and competitors - when banks fail, in hopes the assets and enterprises will be better managed by other managers than the same ones that led the bank to failure. Together these two principles - if made the basis for public policy - would do more to restore sanity to global banking than anything else I can think of. Resiliency will favour more and better capitalisation, with a focus on marketable assets with transparent price discovery (e.g., traded on transparent markets and recorded on balance sheet). Speedy and certain resolution of failed banks will make management and shareholders conscious of the risks of failure falling first on them, then on unsecured creditors and bondholders, and never on the taxpayer.
We are a long way from adopting principles of resiliency and resolution, as demonstrated by the EU's continued efforts to forestall defaults while protecting incumbent managements and bondholders. Our policy makers continue to chase the chimera of financial stability, and make bad policies worse along the way."
http://londonbanker.blogspot.com/2011/12/why-i-oppose-financial-stability.html
"It was late in September of 1998. I was flying from New York to Bermuda to speak at a hedge fund conference, and found myself upgraded at the last minute, back in the day when I did not fly that much, so I was feeling rather happy. As the door closed, a patrician-looking gentleman stepped in and came and sat next to me, immediately picking up a file and burrowing into it. I had a book and the Wall Street Journal, so I was content to read.
As soon as we took off, he asked for a scotch. He proceeded, over the next hour, to wage a very aggressive war on the diminishing cache of scotch bottles stored on board. (No, it was not Art Cashin. He doesn't fly.) It was an arduous campaign, but he was fully committed to winning.
He glanced over to my Journal and noted some headline about the crisis that had occurred the previous week. I had been following the extreme market volatility with interest, but this was in the first decade of the internet, so most of what you came by you still read in print or heard on the phone.
"They don't really know how close we came," he shuddered, his eyes showing the first signs of emotion and fear I had seen from him. That piqued my interest, and I engaged him, though without touching his precious hoard of scotch. I settled for a nice chardonnay. It turned out he was the second-ranking executive at one of the three largest banks in the country. He had been at the table in the NY Fed boardroom when 14 banks were forced to put in $3.625 billion to keep Long Term Capital from collapsing, with only Bear Stearns declining (one of the reasons they had no friends ten years later). The NY Fed president had essentially called all the heads of the banks, told them to be in the room, not to send proxies, and to bring their checkbooks. There was subsequently a lot of criticism of the Fed, but they did what a central bank is supposed to do in times like that: they made the children play nice in the sandbox. They were the only entity that could force the various monster-ego players to even sit in the same room with each other.
"No one will ever really know," he said again. But of course, soon everyone did, as Roger Lowenstein wrote the must-read real-life thriller When Genius Failed.
"We walked to the edge of the abyss, and we looked over." He proceeded to regale me with the stories of the negotiations, as the immensity of what would happen if they allowed the collapse dawned on the group one by one. They all had exposure to LTCM* but did not realize the extent of it until it was too late. Looking back, it might have looked something like the credit crisis of 2008 if they had not acted, except it would have happened much faster.
I can tell you that no one in that room wanted to write a $300-million check. It was not good for their careers. Interestingly, after two years the fund was liquidated and the banks got back their capital plus a small profit.
Now, the bankers and leaders of Europe are getting ready to walk to the edge of the Abyss. It will be a long way down, and look like the 7th level of Dante's Inferno."
* makes me chuckle (in a tongue in cheek, sadistic, self-defeating sort of way) at the irony of the line in the ficticious movie Margin Call where Tuld says there is 7 trillion dollars invested around the world based upon that (mathematical) equation (I don't think Tuld was referring to LTCM's mathematical models, but more alluding profiting from the securitzation of subprime toxic waste with maximum leverage, all using borrowed funds that need to be turned over frequently)
If I remember correctly, you can set that up in the options somewhere. Been a while since I meddle with Scottrade interface.This is a very good point that you've brought up as I've had the question for a long time but Scottrade would never give me the option which always screwed up my accounting. I wouldn't mind paying extra in transaction fees for this.
I spent about 3 hours on RIMM today. Probably 2.95 hours more than you. Do you even know who Prem Watsa is? You might want to start there.
Yes, I know who Prem Watsa is. It doesn't help that you throw his name around over and over in your posts to give yourself some sort of credibility by doing so.
What does Watsa have to do with anything. He owns 5% of RIM? If you really think RIM is a good investment at this stage just because Watsa has some, then I don't know what to tell you. I guarantee you Watsa wouldn't say some of the stupid things you say on here regarding AAPL.
What have I said about Apple? .... and don't take things out of context.
How much have you researched print media? It's funny. Everyone shares the same opinion but no one does the research. What are the risks to print medias business model? Are those risks being addressed?
The only risk is risk of loss of capital. And with Apple, valuation supports that it is very high risk. With LEE, there is almost no risk other than the fact that they need to keep up with changing technolgies. The beuaty of print media used to be stagnant technological changes along iwth the fact that they are commonly monopolies or duopolies in the regions they serve. The thing is, they are still monopolies or duopolies. The content devilery mechanism is simply evolving faster than it used to. At the same time though, capital expenditures should actual be reduced over time due to digitial media. Also, there is less paper and ink to buy. And printing for conglomoerites can become more centralized as the demand for print media reduces.
I continually think about shorting Apple stock. They will not be around in 10 years.
Cramer is right half the time. For what it is worth, most value investors place Apple at $80-$220 in terms of intrinsic value. Surprisingly, I'm in the $220 camp. I'm also in the, "I would never invest in Apple" camp though so who cares. Their financial reporting sucks. I can't say it any more simply. They have other issues though like Moat. People forget how easy it is t enter a market and most forget that if Zune worked out for MSFT, that people would have a different opinion of Apple these days. Tech is that way though, so anyone with the balls .... happy speculating (don't call it investing, it's not)
Proctor and Gamble is to good of an investment to pass up on right now so that's where my last buy was. Think about things in both bottom up and a top down outlook. Invert, always invert :-0
Oh, That WFC stock I bought earlier in the year is up over 100% now. It's much easier being patient and waiting for opportunity to arise, granted PG isn't that undervalued.
If you really want tech that bad, go buy ISIL. A DCF might tell you it is worth $40 while it is selling for $10/share. The funny thing is that I would not touch it since the future free cash flows can be predicted with little certainty.
1) apple inovates ... success
2) competitor clones
1) apple inovates ... success
2) competitor clones
1) apple inovates ... failure
2) competitor makes their last clone cheaper/better
3) ?????
Eventually Apple will try to enter a new market segment or create a new market segment and it will fail. Or the evolution of a current product will be greated with shoulder shrugs by the public. It is a matter of when, not if. With a quickly evolving industry like the one Apple is involved in, it could be 2 years from now that this occurs. And when it occurs and people start thinking that earnings are about to stall or fail, the stock will get hammered. I don't think this will hapen next week. I do know it will happen. And I know it will not take 20 years.
And since people take things out of context, I will be clear. I am not saying it is going to happen 2 years from now.
As an investor, I don't worry about what people think of my thoughts. They involve more thought than going to macrumors.com and reading the thoughts of others (articles, analysts, etc). Only time will prove me right or wrong. And in my case, I don't care if I am right or wrong 20 years from now. I know that I am not taking risk now.
Seems that this is not a valuable conversation. Group think will always win against indepent thought. I will end it now in defeat. Good luck to all.
No offense, but to justify the current quotation, AAPL needs to have 40% growth over the next 4 years. Good luck with that one. I doubt IPOD sales will be that good. Thanks for pointing out this short candidate though.
EIDT: I just looked at growth prospects overall. Projected 5 year growth is 15% annually. The next year or two should show much better growth though. That is an important factor. That would put the fair value at $20 or so, but the cash on hand ups that number by an additional $12/share. You just paid $39 for a $32 stock.
Could I be wrong?
Sure: "we believe that over the next two years Apple has the ability to grow its market share ahead of expectations"
IMHO: THe short term growth prospects have caused irrational optimism. In 2 years, this is going to be a slow growth comapny and the P/E will plummet.