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Imp

Lifer
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Well I don't know about what's going on over there in Canada but in the USA (the best country on the planet) you'd be screwing yourself.

Probably... super worst case, they count my "capital gains" as regular income. Sweet, I live in Canada and am so use to being raped by taxes, I factor them into everything already - so I'm more than willing to pay. Losses then become regular income deductibles, apparently. So much easier... I netted $300 last year in net gains, if they want to waste their time, go ahead.
 

Imp

Lifer
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Back to actual trading and the market...

Another slow day, but TGT is doing good. Too bad I checked out a few weeks ago, then again, it's only up about an extra 2% from when I sold, so meh.

So glad I got out of Loblaws (L) last week for a measely $50 gain. It tanked 5% on craptastic earnings today. Great buying opportunity coming up over the next week though.
 

mmntech

Lifer
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Stock market gurus, I need some schooling on investing. I'm looking to buy a starter home in about a year or two and I want to get my money working for me to bolster what I already have saved for a down-payment.

I do have investment accounts set up with a financial planner, which my parents opened when I was little. I haven't been happy with their performance though. I've only been breaking even, and I've actually been losing money over the last year.

I'd like to broaden my options as I'm not too happy with this guy managing my investments. What are some resources out there to teach me how to invest wisely?
 

JTsyo

Lifer
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Stock market gurus, I need some schooling on investing. I'm looking to buy a starter home in about a year or two and I want to get my money working for me to bolster what I already have saved for a down-payment.

I do have investment accounts set up with a financial planner, which my parents opened when I was little. I haven't been happy with their performance though. I've only been breaking even, and I've actually been losing money over the last year.

I'd like to broaden my options as I'm not too happy with this guy managing my investments. What are some resources out there to teach me how to invest wisely?

A money with purpose within a year shouldn't be risked in the market. You'll just want to stick to something safe like CDs. You won't make much but it's better than not having your money when you need it.
If you're so inclined you could set aside the minimum you need for a down payment and invest the rest. Just pick a broad category that you'll think will be up over the next year and get a mutual fund or EFT that reflect that sector. Be prepared to either take that money out at a loss or keep it there longer than a year if the market is down.
 
Mar 10, 2006
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Back to actual trading and the market...

Another slow day, but TGT is doing good. Too bad I checked out a few weeks ago, then again, it's only up about an extra 2% from when I sold, so meh.

So glad I got out of Loblaws (L) last week for a measely $50 gain. It tanked 5% on craptastic earnings today. Great buying opportunity coming up over the next week though.

Bob Loblaw's Law Blog? XD
 

Hugo Drax

Diamond Member
Nov 20, 2011
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A very experienced day trader I've encountered commented that every single day trader he'd met had gone broke at least twice. I guess it's addictive.

The problem is people will overestimate their intelligence and skills which is catastrophic when it comes to loss of principal and day trading. They think they have some kind of edge and in reality the do not so all they do is erode their principal over time and make the retail broker richer.
 
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A money with purpose within a year shouldn't be risked in the market. You'll just want to stick to something safe like CDs. You won't make much but it's better than not having your money when you need it.
If you're so inclined you could set aside the minimum you need for a down payment and invest the rest. Just pick a broad category that you'll think will be up over the next year and get a mutual fund or EFT that reflect that sector. Be prepared to either take that money out at a loss or keep it there longer than a year if the market is down.

Agreed.
 

Imp

Lifer
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The problem is people will overestimate their intelligence and skills which is catastrophic when it comes to loss of principal and day trading. They think they have some kind of edge and in reality the do not so all they do is erode their principal over time and make the retail broker richer.

Only took me 4 days and $50 to confirm that.

Seriously have to rethink my craptastic strategy after realizing I made more in dividends last year than cap gains.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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A money with purpose within a year shouldn't be risked in the market. You'll just want to stick to something safe like CDs. You won't make much but it's better than not having your money when you need it.
If you're so inclined you could set aside the minimum you need for a down payment and invest the rest. Just pick a broad category that you'll think will be up over the next year and get a mutual fund or EFT that reflect that sector. Be prepared to either take that money out at a loss or keep it there longer than a year if the market is down.

If you want to learn about managing your own investments you could do what I'm doing and get into TDAmeritrade's Investools. My counselor at TDA suggested investing 1/2 in a managed account (they have you assess your goals and it picks out a system for you) and have me maintain control over the other 1/2 myself. I was going to do this but elected to have control of the whole account myself. I have a fair amount of experience going back to the 1990s. Investools is a good place to start if you don't know a lot, they have online courses, online workshops, occasional live workshops at various places in the country (I went to a 2 day, 8 hrs/day workshop last summer, which really got me started).

If you don't have time for Investools (it takes time), the managed account system might work for you.

Last year was a tough one for the stock market, it's not surprising you lost money. The market was basically flat. We've started off much better this year.
 

JEDI

Lifer
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A money with purpose within a year shouldn't be risked in the market. You'll just want to stick to something safe like CDs. You won't make much but it's better than not having your money when you need it.
If you're so inclined you could set aside the minimum you need for a down payment and invest the rest. Just pick a broad category that you'll think will be up over the next year and get a mutual fund or EFT that reflect that sector. Be prepared to either take that money out at a loss or keep it there longer than a year if the market is down.

1yr or less: bank acct/CD
1yr - 5yrs: I-bonds (u cant redeem them in the 1st year)
5+ yrs: Stock market
 

JEDI

Lifer
Sep 25, 2001
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i missed the boat on Dryships. it's a shipping company based in Greece.
it's up 60% this month due to the Greece bailout being finalized

sigh..

yes, still bitching that i'm only 100% in stocks and not leveraged to 200% margin at a ridiculous 2.99% margin rate if over $100k borrowed.

think i'll buy a share of BRK.A just to brag
 
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Connoisseur

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i missed the boat on Dryships. it's a shipping company based in Greece.
it's up 60% this month due to the Greece bailout being finalized

sigh..

yes, still bitching that i'm only 100% in stocks and not leveraged to 200% margin at a ridiculous 2.99% margin rate if over $100k borrowed.

think i'll buy a share of BRK.A just to brag

Yeah i'm still sitting on a whole lot of shares at 7 bucks (bought it a couple of years ago). Debating buying some more to average down but I don't know how sustained this is going to be...
 

JEDI

Lifer
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Yeah i'm still sitting on a whole lot of shares at 7 bucks (bought it a couple of years ago). Debating buying some more to average down but I don't know how sustained this is going to be...

u didnt dollar cost avg when it hit $2!?!
 

chipy

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Feb 17, 2003
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Amazon is returning to the price I got in at

looking at the company's income statement:

1) they're definitely making money from what they sell but...
2) their operating expenses increased greater than their gross profit, so lower net profit
3) which could be a reason for their stock coming back down?

also, does anyone know how they calculate "Net Income From Continuing Ops"? the numbers don't seem to compute.

i like amazon as a business and i buy stuff from them throughout the year. i should read their 10K to get a better feeling for how the company is doing and how it expects to do in the coming months.
 

Imp

Lifer
Feb 8, 2000
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So it looks like we're redoing last year's oil speculation thing with Iran as the reason. That won't hinder bring down the market like last time. It's different...
 

lothar

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I would have bailed at 100% return and been happy about it no matter what happened to the stock.

Right? Man, I hope I get buy a stock that doubles in price overnight...just once...
I don't get this point of view from day traders.
If you bailed on the stock at a 100% return, what the hell are you going to do with the proceeds?
Gamble on even more stupid stocks than that? Transfer it to your bank account, call it a day and retire from investing completely?

A day trader earns 100% on a stock, cashes out and goes to buy Zynga, Pandora, LinkedIn, Angie's List, Groupon, Amazon, Crocs, Facebook, or whatever the hottest flavor of the month stock is and loses all that initial 100% he earned and more.

If I followed that strategy, I would have bailed of AXP at $20 instead of $44, and ACF $10 instead of ~$22-23 like I did.
 

JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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My real investments are with a broker that's just in some funds he recommended to spread the risk. I get 100 free trades a year so I'm just playing with some extra money. Nothing too serious. If I can get 10% return on the year, I'll be happy.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
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I have a tax question for anyone familiar with this.

I normally trade 100% stocks but last year I sparingly traded some ETF's for the first time. I looked at my 1099-B today, and it lists the gross sale proceeds for all stocks, and under that it has a new category, "Wash Sale Loss Disallowed". Is this associated with trading ETF's?

When filing taxes, I file this activity as a business and always put gross sales on a Schedule D under 'Short Term Capital Gains and Losses', and under "Dates" I put "various". I also fill out a Form 4797, Sales of Business Property, and list the total sales proceeds figure again. (then on the Schedule C, I have total p&l and business expenses etc.)

But I'm confused where I account for the "Wash Sale Loss Disallowed" sum. Do I just add another line under Short Term Capital Gains and Losses, and the same on the form 4797, or do I need to account for this another way?
 

KB

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 1999
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I have a tax question for anyone familiar with this.

I normally trade 100% stocks but last year I sparingly traded some ETF's for the first time. I looked at my 1099-B today, and it lists the gross sale proceeds for all stocks, and under that it has a new category, "Wash Sale Loss Disallowed". Is this associated with trading ETF's?

A wash sale is when you sell a stock and then buy it back within a short period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_sale

With a wash sale you can't report it as a loss on your taxes. You hopefully got some tax forms from your broker that will show you how to file it.
 

Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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A wash sale is when you sell a stock and then buy it back within a short period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_sale

With a wash sale you can't report it as a loss on your taxes. You hopefully got some tax forms from your broker that will show you how to file it.

Thanks. Looks like this is relevant to just capital gains and doesn't affect me, and this still applies to all (pub 550):

Mark-to-market election made. If you made the mark-to-market election, you should report all gains and losses from trading as ordinary gains and losses in Part II of Form 4797, instead of as capital gains and losses on Form 8949 and Schedule D. In that case, securities held at the end of the year in your business as a trader are marked to market by treating them as if they were sold (and reacquired) for fair market value on the last business day of the year. But do not mark to market any securities you held for investment. Report sales from those securities on Form 8949 and Schedule D, as appropriate, not Form 4797. See the 2011 Instructions for Schedule D.
 
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