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Imp

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When filing taxes, I file this activity as a business and always put gross sales on a Schedule D under 'Short Term Capital Gains and Losses', and under "Dates" I put "various". I also fill out a Form 4797, Sales of Business Property, and list the total sales proceeds figure again. (then on the Schedule C, I have total p&l and business expenses etc.)

Curious as to why you file as a "business"?

Look back a few posts and you'll see my headache with "superficial losses" or "wash losses". In looking that stuff up, I found that filing as a business removes the headache: your full gains are taxable, but it saves the headache of figuring out all the rules regarding preferential treatment of capital gains/losses.


... Ploughing money into Loblaws. Down more today. TGT is up again - bastard.
 

Miramonti

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Curious as to why you file as a "business"?

Look back a few posts and you'll see my headache with "superficial losses" or "wash losses". In looking that stuff up, I found that filing as a business removes the headache: your full gains are taxable, but it saves the headache of figuring out all the rules regarding preferential treatment of capital gains/losses.


... Ploughing money into Loblaws. Down more today. TGT is up again - bastard.

It's much easier filing as a business because it's considered regular income and (atleast for stocks) it's simply 'profit minus loss minus business expenses'. However it is my business/primary source of income (or lack of ) and has been for a while. When I started, I filed a one-time statement with the Irs a mark-to-market election notification, essentially permitting the use of these mark-to-market accounting rules (sum of all sells minus sum of all buys) instead of capital gains rules.

I'm not sure about Canada taxes, or sure how widespread it is for people in the US to use mark to market when it's not necessarily their 'business' (this is somewhat of a gray area), but I'm certain it happens.

Special Rules for Traders in Securities, irs pub 550
 
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Imp

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It's much easier filing as a business because it's considered regular income and (atleast for stocks) it's simply 'profit minus loss minus business expenses'. However it is my business/primary source of income (or lack of ) and has been for a while. When I started, I filed a one-time statement with the Irs a mark-to-market election notification, essentially permitting the use of these mark-to-market accounting rules (sum of all sells minus sum of all buys) instead of capital gains rules.

I'm not sure about Canada taxes, or sure how widespread it is for people in the US to use mark to market when it's not necessarily their 'business' (this is somewhat of a gray area), but I'm certain it happens.

I'm thinking about just filing my "capital gains" as income just to avoid being audited (not like I'm a big fish). I have a full-time job, which makes it different than you though.

In the mean time, I've just been using the proceeds minus adjusted cost base, or just profit minus lost after converting everything to CAD$. The difference between averaged costs and straight costs was $50 in the past year, and I don't hold much stuff past the year, so...
 

Miramonti

Lifer
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I'm thinking about just filing my "capital gains" as income just to avoid being audited (not like I'm a big fish). I have a full-time job, which makes it different than you though.

In the mean time, I've just been using the proceeds minus adjusted cost base, or just profit minus lost after converting everything to CAD$. The difference between averaged costs and straight costs was $50 in the past year, and I don't hold much stuff past the year, so...

Sounds like the risk of doing it that way is minimal.
 
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From peak value or from initial investment?

From peak, I'm down about 5%. From initial investment, 2%.

I guess for just those 4 days of losses in a row.

This week has been pretty good....in fact, this past month has been overall decent for me, but i'm still a long ways from recovering from the bad years in 2007-2009.
 

Kntx

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Buying RIMM to sell covered calls. Buy 100 RIMM, sell 1 contract for Apr 21 at a $15 strike. Buy $14 puts for Sept 22. If price remains below 15 will sell calls for June and August as the earlier calls expire. Planned exit of position when August calls expire. Expect 10% return on initial investment. If RIMM immediately shoots up past 20, expect a loss of 1-2%.
 

Imp

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RIM's a nice play, but watch out for earnings coming up in March. It's been a bloodbath on reporting day for the past year.
 

apac

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So what is everyone's consensus on cash vs. stocks right now? I just had a significant amount of cash free up, and was planning on picking up a few more investments, but my gut tells me this is a bad time to start buying in to the "optimism". Looking back at the last time we were at 13K DJIA I can't say the economy is looking much better than it was back then.
 
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I'd go all cash dude -- I had cash for a long time, finally bought in, and now I'm on a hardcore losing streak.
 

apac

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I'd go all cash dude -- I had cash for a long time, finally bought in, and now I'm on a hardcore losing streak.

Are you day trading?

My question was more targeted to those who buy-and-hold investment stocks. I've got about 20K in cash that is sitting in a savings account. This money has no purpose except savings/investment, and I have plenty accessible in emergency funds. My goal is to wisely choose 1) the right moment to enter the market and 2) which stocks will have some solid long term gains.

It's #1 I'm most concerned with right now, because it feels like this market is in a bubble of overstated economic confidence.
 
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