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Imp

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I've got one (two if I divide it up) block of money left to buy in if it keeps going down. After that, fingers crossed that it goes back up within the next months (or year, ahem).
 

Imp

Lifer
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What've you got for a holding?

SU - oilsands. During 2008-2010, it held around the low $30s. It hit $20-ish during the absolute low point in 2008/2009; this was when oil hit something like $50/barrel. Right now, it's at ~$27.50 and rallied to $37 at one point earlier this year. We're holding steady at ~$90/barrel with Israel and Iran doing their bullshit scaremongering.

My neocon guberment is very oilsands happy and recently gave itself powers to overrule environmental challenges (read: suck oil sand corporations' dicks). Prime Minister's "home province" is Alberta in oil sands country. Namely, the oil companies want to build a pipeline to the west coast to ship it to Asia. Pipeline to Texas is stalled, but sounds like it'll go through after the presidential election.

Recession stuff might push the price down more, but... the potential gain even at my buy point is pretty big. Risk isn't extreme either considering the company's been around 30+ years and last I checked, we still like our SUVs and F150s.
 
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I checked when I saw a limit order I'd put in a while ago at $5.19 had filled. Ugh. It's okay though...the move wasn't due to anything involving the company. The stock is just a manipulation favorite by the big guys.

I'm holding long term. If they actually hit their revenue target and if they actually become profitable by Q2 as was stated at the last conference call, I will have the confidence to hold them through the rest of the fiscal year to see if they really do hit that 630-700M rev target.

If they start missing, then I'll start getting worried.

I am getting slammed on AMD, unfortunately. Down 15% on that stock. I'm not sure whether I should cut and GTFO or if I should stick it out.
 
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RbSX

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I think we might get another bounce before we see the downtrend for the summer. I missed getting in on the VXX at 16.19. Oops.
 

Hugo Drax

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Everyone is waiting for the pending greek default. Then it will be a slaughter house.

12 month price target for OCZ 2.20 a share.
 
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Imp

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Everyone is waiting for the pending greek default. Then it will be a slaughter house.

12 month price target for OCZ 2.20 a share.

They essentially defaulted already back in January. Everyone took something like a 50% cut on their loans/bonds.

It'll just be "more official" if they can't elect a government that will meet austerity goals so they get another bail out package.
 

Hugo Drax

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They essentially defaulted already back in January. Everyone took something like a 50% cut on their loans/bonds.

It'll just be "more official" if they can't elect a government that will meet austerity goals so they get another bail out package.

If you feel its priced in, you got a lot to learn. Wait and see, when Greece defaults and is out of the Euro, prepare to see a nice market swoon downwards.

Right now its a holding pattern waiting for the other shoe to drop. Margin liquidations will kick in and your gonna see lots of shit dumped on the markets to meet collateral calls.
 

Imp

Lifer
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If you feel its priced in, you got a lot to learn. Wait and see, when Greece defaults and is out of the Euro, prepare to see a nice market swoon downwards.

Right now its a holding pattern waiting for the other shoe to drop. Margin liquidations will kick in and your gonna see lots of shit dumped on the markets to meet collateral calls.

After going through this exact same bullshit charade for over 4 years, experiencing the "OMFG, Greece gonna default, gonna burn" first-hand for two years, I just don't give a shit anymore.

I vowed to stay away from financials after last Fall. If it crashes, whatever, I'll just hold my dividend paying stock longer. And since I still have a job, I'll put more money in at the bottom.
 

mshan

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I thought the immediate fear of contagion was that the run on Greek banks spreads to Spanish banks, and I guess conceivably, to Italian ones (?)

That being said, I haven't seen bears coming on tv and calling for SPX 800, 950 - 1000, or even 1100. Steve Grasso on CNBC a day or two ago said chatter on the trading floors was thinking about backing up the truck and buy, buy, buy if we were to hit SPX 1260 (50% retracement of move from October 2011 lows to 1422 top this year, plus essentially retest of flat on year (1257?) he said has always historically occurred at some point in year, at least previously). We would obviously have to break 1300 first, as well as (I forgot what he said exact technical levels were), but I think 1290 and 1285 (Libya bottom, Egypt bottom?), and that puts us right back into what previously was that seemingly impenetrable wall of resistance (now support?) from last winter (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/stocks/commentary/1250-1280-s-p-may-be-a-wall-1578825.html)

Personally, I have absolutely no idea (not even the slightest inkling!!!) whether we stabilize around here, or break harshly to the downside, but it does seem to me that markets have been getting very tricky for weeks (no longer straight line from lower left to upper right, like first quarter of this year), and perhaps is becoming untradeable again (do not play if you don't have to?), at least until, for better or worse, more cards are put on the table and there is more clarity on where the U. S. economy really stands (e. g. QE3, continuation of Operation Twist, what is real underlying growth rate of U. S. economy once unseasonably warm winter can be factored out...)



Prepare for Volatility: http://seekingalpha.com/article/584211-prepare-for-volatility)
 
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Everyone is waiting for the pending greek default. Then it will be a slaughter house.

12 month price target for OCZ 2.20 a share.

When OCZ started trading in April 2010, it was a DRAM company with very limited SSD presence. Their revenues for that fiscal year were about $150M. They've cut away from consumer/enthusiast DRAM and have become a very serious SSD manufacturer. At first, they were just another commodity SSD maker, but they're aggressively growing. Indilinx acquisition allows them to develop controller platforms in-house, improving gross margins on the consumer drives (and if you look at the #'s, gross margin has been improving significantly each quarter). Further, they're pushing aggressively on the enterprise side, where the margins are better. Their stock hit an all-time low of $1.88 about 2 years ago.

I can't guarantee anything about OCZ's future, but to me it looks like their management is doing all the right things. They're a much stronger company than when they hit $1.88, and they are sure as hell a stronger company than they were when they hit $10.94 last summer. That's why I have my $ in their stock.
 

Kwatt

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Everyone is waiting for the pending greek default. Then it will be a slaughter house.

12 month price target for OCZ 2.20 a share.


This post caused a moment of panic and then a good laugh at myself.



I misread it as a GEEK default. I thought something new was sliping up on me.




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RbSX

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I thought the immediate fear of contagion was that the run on Greek banks spreads to Spanish banks, and I guess conceivably, to Italian ones (?)

That being said, I haven't seen bears coming on tv and calling for SPX 800, 950 - 1000, or even 1100. Steve Grasso on CNBC a day or two ago said chatter on the trading floors was thinking about backing up the truck and buy, buy, buy if we were to hit SPX 1260 (50% retracement of move from October 2011 lows to 1422 top this year, plus essentially retest of flat on year (1257?) he said has always historically occurred at some point in year, at least previously). We would obviously have to break 1300 first, as well as (I forgot what he said exact technical levels were), but I think 1290 and 1285 (Libya bottom, Egypt bottom?), and that puts us right back into what previously was that seemingly impenetrable wall of resistance (now support?) from last winter (http://www.tradingmarkets.com/stocks/commentary/1250-1280-s-p-may-be-a-wall-1578825.html)

Personally, I have absolutely no idea (not even the slightest inkling!!!) whether we stabilize around here, or break harshly to the downside, but it does seem to me that markets have been getting very tricky for weeks (no longer straight line from lower left to upper right, like first quarter of this year), and perhaps is becoming untradeable again (do not play if you don't have to?), at least until, for better or worse, more cards are put on the table and there is more clarity on where the U. S. economy really stands (e. g. QE3, continuation of Operation Twist, what is real underlying growth rate of U. S. economy once unseasonably warm winter can be factored out...)



Prepare for Volatility: http://seekingalpha.com/article/584211-prepare-for-volatility)

Jeeze, you have no idea.. that is a massive surprise.. because you are an idiot who watches CNBC and mainstream media for his economic updates.
 

RbSX

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Jan 18, 2002
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Oh, you mad...

His posts are just so fucking stupid, if I wanted to read and listen to regurgitated shit from business news channels, I would just go turn them on on my TV.

Also, he keeps on posting stuff that anyone with half a brain and paid any attention to, knew weeks ago, and half of the time he uses convoluted bullshit logic to draw his conclusions.. the other half of the time, he asks and answers his own questions within the same posts.

For fucks sakes, his conclusions about contagion are all wrong too, the banks in the most trouble aside from the obvious (Irish, Portuguese, Greek and Italian - but in most cases this is not contagion because they loaned money to their domestic federal governments)... banks which are fearing contagion are the French banks (in particular SG) which are holding TONS of toxic debt and are having a hard time maintaining liquidity. You have to start looking at this situation was the Eurozone being fucked one way or the other, and we have to start looking at the macro picture e.g. how this will affect Japan, China, the United States, Canada, Australia and others.
 
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mshan

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If price and volume are truth (look at 1 year chart and compare bottoms in price from last fall, last winter, and post-LTRO to now):


Societe Generale: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Credit Agricole: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

BNP Paribas: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Unicredit: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Commerzbank: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;

Morgan Stanley: http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=...n;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=off;source=undefined;



I'm no financial pro, so I can't dig into their books and tell you what exactly their hidden liabilities and potential liabilities are if things start to cascade, but a retail muppet like me can still easily remember which stocks were always popping up on CNBC and plunging the most when there was real fear in the market last fall and winter (seems to me that most of this sell-off felt rational and fundamentally justified until recently, but feels like we may be getting whiffs of real fear possibly starting to creep into markets now).

The chatter about a run on Greek banks possibly spreading to Spanish banks is a talking point Art Cashin was pushing on CNBC as to why we are having some of the fear / current downturn in market right now, not a daisy chain of financial contagion that is going to pull the whole system down in some Armageddon scenario argument right now.
 
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