***Official*** 2012 Stock Market Thread

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SunnyD

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AMD is on an amazing tear. Called it.

Nearly everything is "up" YTD. BAC and RF for example are doing amazingly well as I had expected. Still waiting for something to "pop", but I think at this point market speculation is going to be driving an overall upward trend for a good long while.
 

The-Noid

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Nearly everything is "up" YTD. BAC and RF for example are doing amazingly well as I had expected. Still waiting for something to "pop", but I think at this point market speculation is going to be driving an overall upward trend for a good long while.

Central Bank balance sheets drive everything in the current environment.

Last time I looked the ECB balance sheet is starting to dwarf even the Fed. The delta on the ECB BS is pretty amazing as well.

Give us your poor collateral, tired collateral and hungry collateral. We will give you all the Euros you can take...
 

Kntx

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Just addded a Europe hedge to my portfolio. Feels like there hasn't been a bad Europe news correction in a while. Bought some EPV. EPV is an 2x short europe ETF.
 

Imp

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Getting tired of sitting this out, but I'd be going after crumbs at this point.

Oh well...
 
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Imp,

This sucks. Everything I sold is up. The only saving grace is that I re-entered USG which kept going up. I looked at the numbers last night. I have basically lost a 7% gain in portfolio value trying to "trade". The only thing keeping my head on straight is knowing that it could be worse if I did not re-enter USG.
 

JTsyo

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Are you promoting orange and beef futures?
 

Imp

Lifer
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Imp,

This sucks. Everything I sold is up. The only saving grace is that I re-entered USG which kept going up. I looked at the numbers last night. I have basically lost a 7% gain in portfolio value trying to "trade". The only thing keeping my head on straight is knowing that it could be worse if I did not re-enter USG.

I keep sane by remembering all the 10-20% swings I missed throughout the past year because I held onto positions that were down. Ended the year doing barely better than a term deposit, so I'm way more patient now.
 

Imp

Lifer
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Debating whether I should gamble and throw a chunk of money into GOOG tomorrow morning. With the way the market's been, it'll probably rise at least a few percent through the day since it's down 9.2% aftermarket now.
 

The-Noid

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Debating whether I should gamble and throw a chunk of money into GOOG tomorrow morning. With the way the market's been, it'll probably rise at least a few percent through the day since it's down 9.2% aftermarket now.

Indicated 583.00/.29 down 7.86-7.95% as volume thins and people go home.

This isn't the first time they have had a miss like this (Q12006, this is off the top of my head and I am in the passenger seat of a car) and I believe over the medium term buying the dip was obviously a good choice... Nasdaq stocks are always a bit weird to me in that you don't get the auction woosh you would get on a NYSE stock, however I wouldn't think it would be a bad place to add to longs. Better to add to anything down than any of the stocks that have exploded up this year.

On an aside we are now less than 30 points on the SPX from Wall Street's Y/E 2012 Consensus I love strategists.
 
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SSSnail

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If you set a stop that's higher than the current price will it wait to go over and then come back down or just sell right away?

With a trailing stop, you don't set a limit but rather the amount you want to trail the current price by. It's good for momentum trading, either buying or selling.

Let's say you want to sell stock A that's on the run up, but you don't know where the peak is but have an idea, and the current price is 10. Stock is up to 12 and you sell, but it continues to run to 15 and you missed out on the gain. A trailing stop would maximize your gains in this run up. Say you place a trailing stop sale order with a stop of .50, that means your order will not execute until the price has pulled back from the peak of 15. In this case your order would execute at 14.5 after it has reached 15.

A trailing stop buy order is the inverse of the above, it's all about maximizing momentum.

There's also limit trailing stops, which you can place a limit before your order starts trailing.
 
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mshan

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"yike.. so much for the high flying Nasdaq tommorow."
May not matter, at least temporarily, if there is good news out of Europe tomorrow - http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2012/01/18/greeces-game-plan/ (removing uncertainty about disorderly default in Greece; and remember, LTRO seems to really have taken palpable fears of a Lehman moment in Europe off the table). IIRC, January 20 was supposed to be day European banks submitted plans about how they were going to recapitalize themselves, too (?)

China may also be coming in for a soft landing (http://seekingalpha.com/article/319907-unofficial-money-fleeing-china), U. S. economic recovery appears to be strengthening (2% domestic GDP growth may not be ideal, but I have seen numerous commentators on tv previously talk about how companies can still be quite profitable in such an environment), housing market may be bottoming...

Whether or not Monti can get real economic and political reforms through Italy (liberalization of the economy to promote real growth, not just actually starting to collecting some taxes from vast underground economy now / extricating political parasite class (mafia too?) from sucking lifeblood out of economy - there was Washington Post article about how Italian MPs get $15,000 per month and car expense for parliament is like $1 billion per year there) may be real x factor* right now because this might determine whether or not Germany is willing to do what it takes to keep Euro together (http://www.testosteronepit.com/home/2012/1/17/the-old-europe-is-not-an-option-for-germany.html)

Bear case last year seems to have been more predicated on visceral fear of a repeat of 2008 Lehman type meltdown of financial markets, this year maybe it is more concern about economic fallout of breakup of European Union / Euro, with significantly diminished but still conceivably possible outside chance of a financial accident leading to worldwide recession.


* That, or maybe if oil suddenly spiked to $150 if war with Iran broke out.
 
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