Official 2013-2014 NBA Playoffs Thread

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preslove

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Incorrect.

In 1980s and early 1990s many teams used to have a big bench player who they used just to go into the game and commit hard fouls on the other team's star. "Put him on his ass" was the instruction they'd receive when the coach called their name so the other team would think twice about going to the basket. They'd commit personal fouls then that would be called flagrant 2's and earn them a 10 game suspension today. A clothesline in the 1980's was just a normal personal foul!

I'd definitely say the average NBA defense today is more advanced in that allowing zone defenses gives them more tools and leeway, but the defense of decades past was far, far more physical and, under the guidance of the right coach like a Chuck Daly or Pat Riley, could easily rival or exceed today's best defenses in terms of effectiveness against the best offensive teams of their time.

Hard foul = free throws = points. Going to the basket and getting fouled would then equal points. Advanced defenses now defend better without giving free throws to their opponent. Those advanced defense were literally illegal. It doesn't matter who was coaching, their defense could never come close to a modern one.
 

cheezy321

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Doesn't mean anything at this point. He could be renegotiating a smaller contract to stay with the Heat and allow them to pursue another big contract guy (ie Carmelo) or shore up their bench. He could be moving to a new team. At this point, it's a crap shoot. Hopefully we don't get 6 solid weeks of "WHERE IS LEBRON GOING?" this time around.

Melo does not fit any of the Heats needs. He is just a big name. I have no idea how he would make this team better. They don't need help with scoring.
 
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Melo does not fit any of the Heats needs. He is just a big name. I have no idea how he would make this team better. They don't need help with scoring.

Don't get me wrong, I think Melo to the Heat would be the stupidest thing the Heat could do (well, short of re-signing the big three to larger contracts at the expense of the bench). But who knows? I thought Howard and Nash were going to make the Lakers unbeatable.
 

cheezy321

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Don't get me wrong, I think Melo to the Heat would be the stupidest thing the Heat could do (well, short of re-signing the big three to larger contracts at the expense of the bench). But who knows? I thought Howard and Nash were going to make the Lakers unbeatable.

Lol, I thought the same thing about Howard and Nash. I think a lot of people did.

I still agree with everything else you said. I doubt James is going to move to another franchise. They will just work it out to where they can get even more help.

Or maybe when James was saying 'Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4...' he was really talking about how many different teams he would be playing for.
 

manly

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I'm a LeBron fan, but people are still crying about The Decision? If LeBron does leave, that's 3 teams in over 11 years. By the end of his next contract, 15 years. In the free agency period, that's hardly even worth mentioning as unusual. The outliers are Kobe and Timmy playing in one place for their entire careers, not everybody else.

What do you guys think of Klay Thompson for Kevin Love and Kevin Martin's bloated contract? The Dubs would be in serious luxury tax territory once they give KLove a max deal and I'm not even sure Love is a real top-10 player (his stats say that he is).
 

smackababy

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The people that dislike Lebron are morons. With the exception of the decision, he has zero negative press off the court, which is pretty much unheard of for someone so popular. Remember Jordan? Greatest player of all time? Sure. Worst gambler of all time? You betcha! Cheated on his wife with white women? Too many times to count!


It is definitely the outlier that a player stays with a single team his entire career. And that really comes down to exceptional coaching, more so than loyalty. Tim Duncan is an excellent example. Pop was able to shift his role as he aged and still build a great team around him, with him not being at the center anymore. And Tim being humble enough to accept that has also done a great deal. So many players that rely on athleticism to be the star won't take a step back into a different role. The fact that Kobe has remained on the Lakers is really a testament to his athleticism and in part to the Lakers being desperate enough to continue to keep him as a star.
 

Miramonti

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Tim Duncan came back after losing last year, determined to get back to the finals and win this time. Each of them said that their refocus and determination at the beginning of the season was a testament of their character.

Meanwhile Lebron lost and now can't commit to coming back. Perhaps that's a testament of his character as well...

Apparently someone else [in San Antonio] had the same thoughts.

 
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