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Bought FBN for $1 on Friday. Time and time again, I buy this at 41 or less and sell it for north of $1.20.

As the housing market recovers, so should this company.

Closed Friday at $1.09. Was up to $1.12 at one point.

But I never check pre-market on FBN. I jsut did. $1.15 in pre-market.

Probably going to sell today.
 

LordNoob

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I just placed a limit sell order on Scottrade which went through. For whatever reason, it showed that the total proceeds (after commission) are exactly one cent less than they should be. If it was a limit order for a certain price ($15.12), how did I get shorted a cent???
 

JTsyo

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How come UPRO doesn't decay like other leveraged funds? Thought the thing with leveraged funds were that they weren't meant to be held long term and only try to match for the day. It seems you're better off with UPRO than SPY if you were willing to take on the 3X risk. Was considering buying UPRO but don't quite understand it, is it ok to hold for 1 year plus?
 

Nerva

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I just placed a limit sell order on Scottrade which went through. For whatever reason, it showed that the total proceeds (after commission) are exactly one cent less than they should be. If it was a limit order for a certain price ($15.12), how did I get shorted a cent???

commish?
 

richardycc

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I just placed a limit sell order on Scottrade which went through. For whatever reason, it showed that the total proceeds (after commission) are exactly one cent less than they should be. If it was a limit order for a certain price ($15.12), how did I get shorted a cent???

some kind of regulatory transaction fee.
 

Ricochet

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Quite a gain today for AMD. I regretted not buying when it dipped below $2 awhile ago.
 
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I just placed a limit sell order on Scottrade which went through. For whatever reason, it showed that the total proceeds (after commission) are exactly one cent less than they should be. If it was a limit order for a certain price ($15.12), how did I get shorted a cent???

Is it a penny in your favor?

If so, you might have paid $9.999 instead of $9.99 or $9.9999 instead of $9.99 per share.

Remember, stock can trade in fractions of pennys.

Trade confirmations usually tell you the fractions of pennys though. I don't use Scott Trade so what I say is just a guess. Did you contact them? Ameritrade is VERY good about responding to customer questions.
 

Kntx

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I just placed a limit sell order on Scottrade which went through. For whatever reason, it showed that the total proceeds (after commission) are exactly one cent less than they should be. If it was a limit order for a certain price ($15.12), how did I get shorted a cent???

Alright so when the sub routine compounds the interest it uses all these extra decimal places that just get rounded off. So we simplified the whole thing, we rounded them all down, drop the remainder into an account we opened.
 

richardycc

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was the total proceeds around $400?

Regulatory Transaction Fees

When you sell a stock, a small transaction fee is charged by the government. The fee recovers the cost incurred by the government for supervising and regulating the securities markets.

The SEC may make annual and mid-year adjustments to the fee rate. The current Regulatory Transaction Fee is $0.00224 per $100.
 
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Nerva

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Alright so when the sub routine compounds the interest it uses all these extra decimal places that just get rounded off. So we simplified the whole thing, we rounded them all down, drop the remainder into an account we opened.

 
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FBN missed earnings and revenues badly. Glad I got out when I did.

Down to 90 cents. Normally I'd buy in now but I am starting to worry more about the long term viability of the company. A year ago I thought they would be fine, now I don't know.

Anyway, jsut thought I'd mention that people need to do some due diligence before jumping in.
 

mshan

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FWIW:



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-04/goldman-0-upside-sp-500-year-end






http://www.morningstar.com/cover/market-fair-value-graph.aspx





I also saw comment on tv a few months ago from Jim O'Neill saying economy would have to be growing significantly faster than it currently is to seriously justify a definitive break above 1600 (e. g. catalyst such as true Grand Bargain which includes something like significant infra-structure stimulus program, in addition to debt stabilization). More recent comments from others on tv seem to indicate such a sweeping comprehensive solution is essentially impossible in Washington right now.

And longer-term perma-bull's thoughts from January 2013: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?play=1&video=3000144148
 

debian0001

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I feel stupid. I'm always hesitant to do stocks and I just looked at my portfolio if I had invested on 4/3/2013 and I would have been up today... bleh, oh well :-/
 

Dacalo

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I feel stupid. I'm always hesitant to do stocks and I just looked at my portfolio if I had invested on 4/3/2013 and I would have been up today... bleh, oh well :-/

“Be Fearful When Others Are Greedy and Greedy When Others Are Fearful”


― Warren Buffett
 
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The problem I have with TSLA is two fold.

1) The stock is grossly overvalued. They really have to increase revenues by an order of maginitude (10x) to justify the current share price.
2) Buffet once told dot com investors at a conference about car companies 100 years ago. He showed a slide (slides) of hundreds of car companies that existed 100 years ago. Today there are three. People back then got lucky to pick one of the big 3. But anyone that did the obvious and shorted the horse made money. OK, not really the Tesla situation. But I really think if electric cars take off that Toyota, And every other major car company will come out with cars better than what Tesla can. Even Porsche is coming out with a Hybrid. Anyway, maybe there is a lesson. If you really think electric cars are the future, short Cummins or some other engine manufacturer. If TSLA is really going to dominate electric cars like people think, short Ford, short Toyota, short everyone. If this is not obvious, maybe it is not going to end well for TSLA.

I don't mean to be a Debbie downer but I think people need to seriously think about the market TSLA is trying to create. And if the market matures, will they really be dominant?

FWIW: I actually have considered shorting TSLA after looking at the market cap, balance sheet and cash flow statement. I need to do some due diligence. What are the other major car makers doing in terms of electric cars? Clearly they spend some money on R&D regarding electric cars. Having a BSEE, I'll let everyone know that the drive train in an electric car is not complicated. There is really no moat in knowing how to do that. it's jsut a high voltage control system.
 

Imp

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Sold BB for a 15% loss. Got tired of the rollercoaster, and my position was so small I made the loss back easily with my other crap.
 

makken

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The problem I have with TSLA is two fold.

1) The stock is grossly overvalued. They really have to increase revenues by an order of maginitude (10x) to justify the current share price.
2) Buffet once told dot com investors at a conference about car companies 100 years ago. He showed a slide (slides) of hundreds of car companies that existed 100 years ago. Today there are three. People back then got lucky to pick one of the big 3. But anyone that did the obvious and shorted the horse made money. OK, not really the Tesla situation. But I really think if electric cars take off that Toyota, And every other major car company will come out with cars better than what Tesla can. Even Porsche is coming out with a Hybrid. Anyway, maybe there is a lesson. If you really think electric cars are the future, short Cummins or some other engine manufacturer. If TSLA is really going to dominate electric cars like people think, short Ford, short Toyota, short everyone. If this is not obvious, maybe it is not going to end well for TSLA.

I don't mean to be a Debbie downer but I think people need to seriously think about the market TSLA is trying to create. And if the market matures, will they really be dominant?

FWIW: I actually have considered shorting TSLA after looking at the market cap, balance sheet and cash flow statement. I need to do some due diligence. What are the other major car makers doing in terms of electric cars? Clearly they spend some money on R&D regarding electric cars. Having a BSEE, I'll let everyone know that the drive train in an electric car is not complicated. There is really no moat in knowing how to do that. it's jsut a high voltage control system.

I agree with point 1, but I think there's a lot of potential for them to grow revenues. A few reasons I'm optimistic:

-They are supply capped, with every 2013 model S already spoken for. They claim a 21,000 production run of the model S in 2013, and are on track to meet that. For a nearly 100k car, that is just damn impressive to me. To put things in perspective, BMW only sold ~11,000 7 series in the U.S. for 2012.

-They are addressing the major drawbacks of EVs, namely range and charging time with their supercharger network.

-Most importantly: They have brand recognition and a desirable product. No, Tesla may not be a household name yet, but they're getting tons of attention from the press especially since the Car of the Year award.

-In terms of other car manufacturers and EVs, Toyota and Mercedes both partner with Tesla for their EV efforts:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-57429595-48/toyota-unwraps-tesla-powered-rav4-ev/
http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/27/autos/mercedes-tesla-b-class-electric/index.html
So there's always that side of the business.

Now I'm not saying everything is roses at TSLA, I still consider it speculative at this point.

However, their potential was enough to convince me to pick up 200 shares @ $37, and I'm looking to add to that position now that they've reported a profitable quarter.
 

JTsyo

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Looks like GMCR has finally paid off. Now to see how high it will go before I bail.
 
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