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dougp

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I just got this trade offer. I have Darren Sproles and Owen Daniels. They will give me Coby Fleener and John Brown.

I need WRs since my WRs: Andre Johnson, Pierre Garcon, and Malcom Floyd have not been playing the way they need to be. My TEs are Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, and Owen Daniels. My RBs are Le'Veon Bell, Mark Ingram, Lorenzo Taliaferro and Darren Sproles,

What do you guys think of the trade?

You don't really need Daniels, but I'd rather move Taliaferro over Sproles. Fleener is meh, and John Brown ... well, that's a bit TD dependent. He's a good target, but not a huge upgrade for you - especially to give up Sproles.
 

SP33Demon

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I just got this trade offer. I have Darren Sproles and Owen Daniels. They will give me Coby Fleener and John Brown.

I need WRs since my WRs: Andre Johnson, Pierre Garcon, and Malcom Floyd have not been playing the way they need to be. My TEs are Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, and Owen Daniels. My RBs are Le'Veon Bell, Mark Ingram, Lorenzo Taliaferro and Darren Sproles,

What do you guys think of the trade?

Eh, if PPR I wouldn't do it. Sproles is 19th in my league, and Brown 37th. Fleener and Daniels are basically a wash. There's nothing better than Brown off waivers? Brown has downgraded Stanton throwing to him, and also faces Detroit next week and Seattle twice through week 16. Additionally, if Ingram or Bell go down you can't depend on Taliaferro to pick up the slack. Like week 12 for the Pitt bye... Sproles is at home for TEN.
 

eits

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Eh, if PPR I wouldn't do it. Sproles is 19th in my league, and Brown 37th. Fleener and Daniels are basically a wash. There's nothing better than Brown off waivers? Brown has downgraded Stanton throwing to him, and also faces Detroit next week and Seattle twice through week 16. Additionally, if Ingram or Bell go down you can't depend on Taliaferro to pick up the slack. Like week 12 for the Pitt bye... Sproles is at home for TEN.

yeah, i was gonna post pretty much the same thing. i wouldn't do it, regardless of ppr or standard. it's a terrible trade. grab wheaton off the free agent list or moncrief or someone... they'll probably produce better than arizona's wr3 with stanton throwing.
 

fenrir

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The Shady/Bryant trade was straight up larceny - both players are better than what you sent. I know it's a 2 QB league but I'd drop Mallet (who sucks) in favor of a decent backup TE if one is on the wire.

I never understood carrying a backup TE. There are only 4 - 6 TE's that can be counted on week to week. The rest are hit or miss. Why would you carry a backup TE when carrying a RB, that would be a starter if the guy in front of him gets hurt, is far more valuable.
 

SP33Demon

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I'm rolling with the Texans D for the rest of the year in a league that doesn't have big bonuses for keeping points down (range is 5 to -1 for 0 to 34 points). Pitching a shutout is very rare even for the best defenses so the range is usually 5: 4 to -1. With such a small spread for point bonuses, it's a good risk/reward gamble on teams that have the most takeaways, even if they allow yards/points since more takeaways = more chances for a defensive TD. The Texans fit that mold (#1 in takeaways), plus they get Clowney and Cushing back this week. Excited to see how they do.
 

fenrir

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Anyways, question - do I drop the #3 kicker in the league (Dan Bailey) during his bye or do I drop someone like Cordarelle Patterson? I think dropping a high scoring kicker might be a bad idea that bites me in the ass if someone picks him up.

I dropped Bailey in a couple of my leagues. The last four weeks have been really down for him. Dallas is no longer struggling to score TD's when they get down the field. so it really diminishes his value at this point. That being said, I would drop Patterson before Bailey. With your lineup, when would you ever play Patterson?
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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I just got this trade offer. I have Darren Sproles and Owen Daniels. They will give me Coby Fleener and John Brown.

I need WRs since my WRs: Andre Johnson, Pierre Garcon, and Malcom Floyd have not been playing the way they need to be. My TEs are Antonio Gates, Vernon Davis, and Owen Daniels. My RBs are Le'Veon Bell, Mark Ingram, Lorenzo Taliaferro and Darren Sproles,

What do you guys think of the trade?

What about Andre Johnson for Dwayne Bowe and Jordan Matthews?
 

SP33Demon

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I never understood carrying a backup TE. There are only 4 - 6 TE's that can be counted on week to week. The rest are hit or miss. Why would you carry a backup TE when carrying a RB, that would be a starter if the guy in front of him gets hurt, is far more valuable.

It usually depends. If you don't have a matchup proof TE's with freak measureables like Gronk/Graham/Julius/Kelce/Cameron, then you have to pay attention to the matchup. Also, game flow can also dictate targets, for example, if a team like NE is playing JAX then Gronk may get less targets than Graham playing Green Bay due to game flow (NE will rush more vs NO passing more). So if you had to only choose one to play, it'd be Graham. So on and so forth regarding matchups.

As far as having a RB handcuff vs TE backup, that is a good point. I think it entirely depends on where the TE ranks in value. For example, if you have Gates/Davis and either JC or Arian then K.Davis or A.Blue would probably hold more value than Davis on your roster. However, if you don't own JC or Arian, then I'd recommend keeping Davis:
1) for matchups
2) TE insurance since the waiver wire isn't going to give me Vernon Davis TE replacement level value if I drop him, whereas it will give me K.Davis/A.Blue replacement level value like Crowell, Oliver, J.Stewart, Bryce Brown, so on and so forth.
So you have to assess the value of what you have vs the level of value of what's available before making such a decision, and also if the RB is a direct handcuff so you can mitigate risk of losing a starter (which would add a lot of value to a handcuff).
 
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SP33Demon

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I dropped Bailey in a couple of my leagues. The last four weeks have been really down for him. Dallas is no longer struggling to score TD's when they get down the field. so it really diminishes his value at this point. That being said, I would drop Patterson before Bailey. With your lineup, when would you ever play Patterson?

I wouldn't advise dropping Bailey for a couple of reasons.
1) He plays in a dome. Come December, dome kickers are hot commodities.
2) He has a booming leg. Baily and Dawson have the most attempts in the league at 50+ with 6 and he's made 5 of them. If your league adds considerable bonus points for 50+ FGs, then this can make or break a week.
3) He plays for a dominant offense.
4) His volume is still top 6 with 19 attempts.

I would rank him in the top tier of kickers in the league right now based on accuracy, volume, and team's willingness to go for a 50 yarder vs the kicker's ability to hit a 50 yarder (booming leg). My rankings would be:
1) Gostkowski
2) Vinateri
3) Bailey
4) Tucker
5) Carpenter
6) Parkey
7) Sturgis
8) Hauschka
9) Dawson
10) Walsh
 
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fenrir

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It usually depends. If you don't have a matchup proof TE's with freak measureables like Gronk/Graham/Julius/Kelce/Cameron, then you have to pay attention to the matchup. Also, game flow can also dictate targets, for example, if a team like NE is playing JAX then Gronk may get less targets than Graham playing Green Bay due to game flow (NE will rush more vs NO passing more). So if you had to only choose one to play, it'd be Graham. So on and so forth regarding matchups.

As far as having a RB handcuff vs TE backup, that is a good point. I think it entirely depends on where the TE ranks in value. For example, if you have Gates/Davis and either JC or Arian then K.Davis or A.Blue would probably hold more value than Davis on your roster. However, if you don't own JC or Arian, then I'd recommend keeping Davis:
1) for matchups
2) TE insurance since the waiver wire isn't going to give me Vernon Davis TE replacement level value if I drop him, whereas it will give me K.Davis/A.Blue replacement level value like Crowell, Oliver, J.Stewart, Bryce Brown, so on and so forth.
So you have to assess the value of what you have vs the level of value of what's available before making such a decision, and also if the RB is a direct handcuff so you can mitigate risk of losing a starter (which would add a lot of value to a handcuff).

Sorry, but who would ever play V.Davis over Gates? V.Davis is consistent in that he scores very few points each week. After 9 games, we have a good idea of how the year is going to go for Davis.

I understand what you are saying, but three of four leagues I am in Davis is on the waiver wire. He is still owned in 81% of Yahoo leagues and I have no idea why. This is not last year and his numbers show that.

As for Gronk/Graham you would be a horrible FF manager if you had not traded one for another top tier position if you managed to have both on your team (unless you could play both each week).
 

fenrir

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I wouldn't advise dropping Bailey for a couple of reasons.
1) He plays in a dome. Come December, dome kickers are hot commodities.
2) He has a booming leg. Baily and Dawson have the most attempts in the league at 50+ with 6 and he's made 5 of them. If your league adds considerable bonus points for 50+ FGs, then this can make or break a week.
3) He plays for a dominant offense.
4) His volume is still top 6 with 19 attempts.

I would rank him in the top tier of kickers in the league right now based on accuracy, volume, and team's willingness to go for a 50 yarder vs the kicker's ability to hit a 50 yarder (booming leg). My rankings would be:
1) Gostkowski
2) Vinateri
3) Bailey
4) Tucker
5) Carpenter
6) Parkey
7) Sturgis
8) Hauschka
9) Dawson
10) Walsh

1) 3 of the top 10 kickers last year played in a dome. (5 pts for 50+ FG)
2) See 3
3) Dominant offense does not always translate to FG scoring. See Denver.
4) 4 of 6 FG attempts in the last four games. See number 3.

If you can hang onto Bailey and there is not a more valuable player on the waiver, that is fine. Just do not over value a kicker.
 

SP33Demon

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Sorry, but who would ever play V.Davis over Gates? V.Davis is consistent in that he scores very few points each week. After 9 games, we have a good idea of how the year is going to go for Davis.

I understand what you are saying, but three of four leagues I am in Davis is on the waiver wire. He is still owned in 81% of Yahoo leagues and I have no idea why. This is not last year and his numbers show that.

As for Gronk/Graham you would be a horrible FF manager if you had not traded one for another top tier position if you managed to have both on your team (unless you could play both each week).

Gates/VD was an example, obviously I'm not saying to do that since VD has been battling injuries and there are too many mouths to feed in SF. A more realistic scenario is Kelce/Olsen, you're not going to find a handcuff this year that will surpass either's value so you play the matchup.

Gronk/Graham, obviously another example of playing the matchup. As an aside, someone in my 10 man league does have both and plays them every week in FLEX.
 

SP33Demon

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1) 3 of the top 10 kickers last year played in a dome. (5 pts for 50+ FG)
2) See 3
3) Dominant offense does not always translate to FG scoring. See Denver.
4) 4 of 6 FG attempts in the last four games. See number 3.

If you can hang onto Bailey and there is not a more valuable player on the waiver, that is fine. Just do not over value a kicker.

You logic doesn't make sense. There are only so many domes + potent offenses + big&accurate leg combinations to go around. Bailey was one of the top 10 kickers last year, and that wasn't a coincidence. Dallas' O + dome + big leg = almost guaranteed top 10 finish. Vinateri was also top 10, same combo. Hauschka, same combo - but he's fallen off b/c Seattle no longer closes the dome + Seattle's offense isn't as potent as last year. Bryant and Walsh last year? No potent offense. Bullock? Accuracy issues and non-potent offense. You have to analyze each case individually.

Regarding Denver, Prater finished 2nd, not sure what your point is - he killed it in 2013. McManus is kicking at 72.7%, he's nowhere near Prater's 2013 skill level so of course we cannot expect the same results as last year.

The bottom line is that you should think hard about giving up a guaranteed top 10 dome kicker like Bailey and Vinateri. Someone just dropped Vinateri in one league, but I already have Legatron, otherwise I'm burning a waiver for him. One less thing to worry about come playoff time.
 

T2urtle

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Week 11.

Rivers or Ryan

Reed or donell. Ppr, I wanna gamble reed since rg3 should be back. Both are junk options really but nothing is there even Rivera is gone.
 

glenn1

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Week 11.

Rivers or Ryan

Reed or donell. Ppr, I wanna gamble reed since rg3 should be back. Both are junk options really but nothing is there even Rivera is gone.

Helps if you list who they're playing.

On Rivers / Ryan I feel it's a push and don't have strong feelings about either. Gun to head I'd say Rivers since Ryan hasn't done much since Week 4, his last 3 or 4 games have all been about 220 yards, 1TD and either a INT or fumble.

Reed over Donnell - Goober Manning hasn't given Donell many looks since his huge week 4.
 

T2urtle

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Helps if you list who they're playing.

On Rivers / Ryan I feel it's a push and don't have strong feelings about either. Gun to head I'd say Rivers since Ryan hasn't done much since Week 4, his last 3 or 4 games have all been about 220 yards, 1TD and either a INT or fumble.

Reed over Donnell - Goober Manning hasn't given Donell many looks since his huge week 4.
Sorry.

Rivers vs Oakland
Ryan vs Carolina


Reed vs Tampa
Donell vs 49ers.

I'm leaning on rivers and reed as well.
 
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