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As is his subsequent re-suspension for yet another drug charge.

Yeah, that's what has me concerned.

I'm 3rd on waiver order, and just put in for Gordon, dropping DeSean Jackson. My other WR's Julio, Cooks and Sanders are too valuable to me to drop. Hell, I don't even feel good about dropping DeSean for Gordon...
 

ChAoTiCpInOy

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I recently got a trade offer for Le'Veon Bell. The trade is the following: I would give up Le'Veon Bell, next year's 8th round, and next year's 14th round for Julian Edelman, next year's 5th round, and next year's 15th round. I think my team can handle trading Le'Veon Bell away since I have Sproles (who looks like he could be getting more points than McCoy), Ingram (even though it's a RB by committee situation in NO), and Justin Forsett (who may be taking the starting RB position in Bal). What do you guys think?

Our league is a 16 man league, 15 round snake draft, standard fractional scoring with -5 for turnovers (interceptions and fumbles), no keepers/legacy.


Here's my team:
Here's my current team:
QB Alex Smith
RB Darren Sproles
RB/WR Andre Johnson
WR Cordarrelle Patterson
WR/TE Pierre Garcon
WR/TE Dennis Pitta
D/ST 49ers D/ST
K Cody Parkey

Bench
Colin Kaepernick
Le'Veon Bell
Vernon Davis
Mark Ingram
Malcom Floyd
Robert Woods
Justin Forsett

I'm mainly worried because this is the team of the person I am trading with (Yes he has McCoy):
QB Matt Ryan
RB LeSean McCoy
RB/WR Julian Edelman
WR Julio Jones
WR/TE Brandin Cooks
WR/TE Kyle Rudolph
D/ST Patriots D/ST
K Nick Novak

Bench
Sammy Watkins
Jordan Reed
Devonte Freeman
Eric Ebron
Roy Helu
Jonathon Dwyer
Isaiah Crowell
 

SP33Demon

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I recently got a trade offer for Le'Veon Bell. The trade is the following: I would give up Le'Veon Bell, next year's 8th round, and next year's 14th round for Julian Edelman, next year's 5th round, and next year's 15th round. I think my team can handle trading Le'Veon Bell away since I have Sproles (who looks like he could be getting more points than McCoy), Ingram (even though it's a RB by committee situation in NO), and Justin Forsett (who may be taking the starting RB position in Bal). What do you guys think?

Our league is a 16 man league, 15 round snake draft, standard fractional scoring with -5 for turnovers (interceptions and fumbles), no keepers/legacy.


Here's my team:
Here's my current team:
QB Alex Smith
RB Darren Sproles
RB/WR Andre Johnson
WR Cordarrelle Patterson
WR/TE Pierre Garcon
WR/TE Dennis Pitta
D/ST 49ers D/ST
K Cody Parkey

Bench
Colin Kaepernick
Le'Veon Bell
Vernon Davis
Mark Ingram
Malcom Floyd
Robert Woods
Justin Forsett

I'm mainly worried because this is the team of the person I am trading with (Yes he has McCoy):
QB Matt Ryan
RB LeSean McCoy
RB/WR Julian Edelman
WR Julio Jones
WR/TE Brandin Cooks
WR/TE Kyle Rudolph
D/ST Patriots D/ST
K Nick Novak

Bench
Sammy Watkins
Jordan Reed
Devonte Freeman
Eric Ebron
Roy Helu
Jonathon Dwyer
Isaiah Crowell

Comparing a part time scatback (Sproles) to Bell (bellcow) is absurd. No way in hell Sproles will equal Bell or McCoy's numbers. Hell, Ingram and Sproles together may not equal Bell. You are tanking your team's season if you give up your only RB1.

Sproles advice from Roto:
Chris Polk (hamstring) will be back to handle some of those duties, and Sproles does not project to be as effective inside going forward. Consider him a flex option in PPR only against the Colts in Week 2.

The guy is a flex option at best. Ingram has very low RB2/RB3/Flex upside but he's no RB1 with Pierre Thomas and Khiry stealing his carries.
 
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SP33Demon

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Jun 22, 2001
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As is his subsequent re-suspension for yet another drug charge.

What are you talking about? The DWI? Yes, he'll be suspended for that but only after he is convicted of it. The drug charge would go away with a new weed threshold. To be honest, the NFL's weed threshold of 15nanograms/ml is ridiculous (Gordon was popped at 16 and 13, which he could have gotten from secondhand smoke). The Olympics is 10X that (150) and MLB over 3X that (50).
To be clear, ESPN Cleveland has no sources on this and is merely speculating. But a deal between the NFL and the union on a new drug policy could come as soon as this week. As part of that deal, players recently suspended for violations (that would no longer warrant suspensions) are expected to get their bans retroactively reduced or repealed. Gordon would still be facing a two-game suspension for the DWI he got on July 5, but the union doesn't want punishment until due process as part of the new pact. The Browns have not cleaned out Gordon's locker since his 16-game suspension was announced. Sep 9 - 8:57 AM
 
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SP33Demon

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Jun 22, 2001
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What about Frank Gore and Jarrett Boykin for Mark Ingram and Malcolm Floyd?

That would be a good trade. Gore is the best pass protection back in the NFL, he is always going to get his carries. I would just be a little worried about his depleted OLine but they have enough weapons for opposing defenses to not stack the box against him. Hyde is good and may vulture a TD like last week, but overall Gore is a solid RB2 while Ingram is an RB3/Flex that has to worry about Pierre Thomas/Khiry. I will add that if your league is PPR, then Gore's value drops a bit since he doesn't catch passes.

Now, getting to Boykin. He's more coveted after week 1 due to the concussion to Lacy, who runs violently and will probably not make it through half the season. This bodes well for Boykin because Rodgers will have to throw more, and in that high powered offense he should get some of the same loving that James Jones got behind Jordy and Cobb. Giving up Malcolm Floyd, meh. He's a third or fourth option in a rushing defense, last night was a fluke b/c most nights, TDs are going to Keenan Allen (Peterson was on him last night), not Floyd. Additionally to Allen are the mouths to feed: Royal, Gates, Woodhead, Mathews, L.Green. I'd rather take a bonafide #3 in a high powered O that consistently plays 3-wide instead of a #4 in a low/medium powered rushing O.
From PFF's Waiver Wire Week 2 where Boykin is featured:
I’m not saying he is going to light the world on fire, but I’m willing to bet that he was released in a fair amount of leagues as an overreaction, and I wouldn’t mind taking a flier on him. I still prefer him to veterans like Steve Smith/Greg Jennings and would take him over any receiver in Carolina, Oakland, or St. Louis.

The trade overall favors you on both counts.
 
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T2urtle

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Oct 18, 2004
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Boykin is a FA in my 12 man ppr. I'm considering dropping tayvon Austin or woodhead for him.
 

EvilYoda

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Apr 1, 2001
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I picked up Benjamin off of waivers and gambled on Gordon being reinstated (still a FA in my league). Dropped Reuben Randle and Denarius Moore.

I didn't start with a great draft - had a horrible first week so I'm hoping to get lucky on some good pickups. Won't necessarily play Benjamin this week, giving my veterans a chance to play up to their draft position.

Ugh.
 

brainhulk

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I picked up Benjamin off of waivers and gambled on Gordon being reinstated (still a FA in my league). Dropped Reuben Randle and Denarius Moore.

I didn't start with a great draft - had a horrible first week so I'm hoping to get lucky on some good pickups. Won't necessarily play Benjamin this week, giving my veterans a chance to play up to their draft position.

Ugh.

Damn...lucky. i had Benjamin stashed, but i was only able to grab Gordon in 1/3 leagues
 

EvilYoda

Lifer
Apr 1, 2001
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Well, I got a whopping 70 points last week with Jeremy Hill, Fitz, and Crabtree combining for 5 points. I need the help.
 

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Boykin is better than both of them, especially Austin.

Meh. When you get down to 3rd option receivers or guys that are lighning in a bottle it's a crapshoot. Austin is a poor man's Harvin or Patterson. He has a chance to bust it on about any play and could get you 70 yards and a TD in single play. But he only does that every three weeks. He's a return man, a receiver, and they let him run it a few times too.

Boykin is clearly on a better offense with a better QB but he's going to fight for scraps left over by Jordy and Cobb. If one of those two guys get hurt he's much more valuable.

But right now. Meh. Total crap shoot and not worth stressing over.
 

SP33Demon

Lifer
Jun 22, 2001
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The other party got smart, they changed it to Gore and Boykin for Cordarrelle Patterson Patterson and Justin Forsett and some future draft picks. Thoughts?
Looking at your lineup and weird slot flexibility, WR's are worth more than RBs in your league for the simple fact that your second RB slot is a RB/WR slot. If your league forced players to carry another RB, then Gore's value would be much higher. As it stands, you only need 1 bellcow at RB and then can sub in the 2nd RB slot with a WR. With that said, let's look at your optimal lineup for RBs and WRs in order of importance:
RB Le'Veon Bell
RB/WR Cordarrelle Patterson
WR Andre Johnson
WR/TE Pierre Garcon
WR/TE Dennis Pitta
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Vernon Davis
Robert Woods
Malcom Floyd
Mark Ingram
Justin Forsett
Darren Sproles

Forsett really isn't going to add much value since he's just a backup for Bell and Ingram, and not as valuable as either. So Boykin holds > value than Forsett. Gore vs Patterson is where it gets interesting. Patterson is your 2nd best WR and there is a dropoff after that in WRs (Garcon, Woods). Given that WRs are most valuable, I would put Patterson very slightly ahead of Gore or call it even. However, since you have Vernon Davis you could plug him in with Gore. So after the trade your team would look like:

RB Le'Veon Bell
RB/WR Gore or Garcon/Boykin depending on matchup
WR Andre Johnson
WR/TE Davis or Garcon/Boykin depending on matchup
WR/TE Dennis Pitta
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Robert Woods
Malcom Floyd
Mark Ingram
Justin Forsett
Darren Sproles

In essence, you are getting Gore/Boykin for Patterson since Forsett is much of an unknown (rumors flying that Taliaferro is the future and Pierce is also in the mix) and easily gotten off the Waiver Wire this week. Forsett is not even better than Ingram, whereas Gore is better than Ingram. So you are getting a significant upgrade at RB and a slightly weaker WR than Patterson in Boykin. Also consider that Gore had higher draft position ADP this year over Patterson alone, but the gap closes a bit since for your league since WRs are more valuable.

Overall I think you are still getting the better end of the deal since your bench is already strong with V.Davis and it gives you more depth in the event of an injury. If Bell goes down, Gore can still solidify your RB slot better than Ingram.
 
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SP33Demon

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Meh. When you get down to 3rd option receivers or guys that are lighning in a bottle it's a crapshoot. Austin is a poor man's Harvin or Patterson. He has a chance to bust it on about any play and could get you 70 yards and a TD in single play. But he only does that every three weeks. He's a return man, a receiver, and they let him run it a few times too.

Boykin is clearly on a better offense with a better QB but he's going to fight for scraps left over by Jordy and Cobb. If one of those two guys get hurt he's much more valuable.

But right now. Meh. Total crap shoot and not worth stressing over.

You're forgetting that Lacy may not even start this week, and even if he does, is very likely to go down again. Which means that GB will air it out more. Also remember the Packers don't really have a Tight End since Finley's career was ended last year. So between Lacy or injuries to Jordy/Cobb, Boykin is a very good stash and even starting every week should give you WR3 numbers that James Jones did.
 
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ChAoTiCpInOy

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Overall I think you are still getting the better end of the deal since your bench is already strong with V.Davis and it gives you more depth in the event of an injury. If Bell goes down, Gore can still solidify your RB slot better than Ingram.

I'm also getting some future draft picks as well (7th round for 11th round if Patterson gets more than 150 points in 10 weeks, 8th for 12th round if not).
 
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I'm also getting some future draft picks as well (7th round for 11th round if Patterson gets more than 150 points in 10 weeks, 8th for 12th round if not).

That's about 15 points a week, less that brutal -5 fumble penalty if it happens. It's not impossible...but that's what Calvin Johnson averages per game if you take it out over the season...

Just saying...

I don't like the trade. I think Patterson helps you more this year than his future draft pick in a late round gets you next.
 

T2urtle

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Pick 4WR for ppr on week 2

Andre Johnson
Maclin
b.cooks
Cruz
Crabtree
G.jennings

And 1rb for ppr.
Pierre Thomas or Ellington.

I got decent guys doing nothing and flex players playing like WR1/2
 

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Andre
Maclin
Cooks
Vomit.

Got no faith in the other guys really. Cruz has most upside but he plays for the Giants. Bleh.

As for RB...PT Cruiser in PPR league. Don't trust Ellington's' health.
 

T2urtle

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Andre
Maclin
Cooks
Vomit.

Got no faith in the other guys really. Cruz has most upside but he plays for the Giants. Bleh.

As for RB...PT Cruiser in PPR league. Don't trust Ellington's' health.
Yea I ranked those 3 wr higher and then...??? I feel like I need to plug in Cruz. (I hated that draft pick)
 
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What are you talking about? The DWI? Yes, he'll be suspended for that but only after he is convicted of it. The drug charge would go away with a new weed threshold. To be honest, the NFL's weed threshold of 15nanograms/ml is ridiculous (Gordon was popped at 16 and 13, which he could have gotten from secondhand smoke). The Olympics is 10X that (150) and MLB over 3X that (50).

I think he was referring to the fact that Gordon can't put the weed down and will, probably in very short order, get popped for it again.

I took a chance on him though. Dropped DJax for Gordon on waivers last night. Crossing fingers.
 

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Yea I ranked those 3 wr higher and then...??? I feel like I need to plug in Cruz. (I hated that draft pick)

Heh. Like I said, Cruz has the most potential to put a 100+ yards and a TD or two.

Jennings is going to be a consistent 5-7 points a week with a spike for a TD every 5 weeks or so.

I'm not sold on Kaeperdink and that SFO offense right now. So who knows what happens to Crabtree this week.

I think it comes down to how your matchup looks vs your opponent. If you think it's going to be close, I'd probably go safe with Crabtree. And hope for something in the 7-12 point range.

If you *need* to go big and hope for a points explosion then Cruz and hope he rips off a couple 60+ yard TD slashes.
 
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