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smackababy

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unless Lance was a problem in the locker room, did the Pacers just concede the EC to the Cavs?

Maybe they didn't offer him anything he wanted. Or, perhaps they were only "supportive of Lance" if he took a lowball contract.
 

lupi

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I don't recall if it was last year or this year it rolls off the books, but the amnesty requires the team to cover the difference between the contracts. So Miller, or whoever else got amnestied, would make the same amount regardless. The offer they take just specifies how much each of the salary each team is responsible for.

believe that's only if a team claimed him on amnesty waivers. otherwise previous team still pays full contract and new team then just pays whatever they agree to sign them for.
 

darkewaffle

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Man, supposedly Kings are in talks with Pistons to obtain Josh Smith. What a mess that could be - which is unfortunate because I actually like Boogie lol.
 

preslove

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IF Rose is healthy, the bulls will win the east in a walk. But, that's a big if, lol.

Unless the Cavs get Love.
 

Vdubchaos

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IF Rose is healthy, the bulls will win the east in a walk. But, that's a big if, lol.

Unless the Cavs get Love.

I'm a Bulls fan and I don't think above will happen.

They blew it completely when they got rid of Deng......Rose will take time to recover and chances are high he might injure himself again.

But they will be strong, no doubt.
 

preslove

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I'm a Bulls fan and I don't think above will happen.

They blew it completely when they got rid of Deng......Rose will take time to recover and chances are high he might injure himself again.

But they will be strong, no doubt.

Well, the east is going to be pretty terrible this year, so winning the conference won't be that huge of an accomplishment. Whoever does come out will probably lose to San Antonio or Dallas.
 

Miramonti

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I believe Miami is still paying Mike Miller for amnesty'n him last year. So although he is taking a pay cut to play with LeBron, it isn't that drastic.

I think you're right, and that's obviously a game-changer, which makes signing with the cavs and rejoining lebron a no-brainer. He gets his $6.6m this year regardless. It was unfortunately for the heat they let him go (altho apparently saving up to $30m in luxury tax) and this was a very fortunate opportunity for the cavs to get him for so little salary on the books.
 

Miramonti

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IF Rose is healthy, the bulls will win the east in a walk. But, that's a big if, lol.

Unless the Cavs get Love.

With a healthy rose, its Bulls and Cavs. It's painful to consider rose still has to prove his health is sustainable and that the jury is still out, but it is what it is.

I think Bird really screwed up with Stephenson. Since it wasn't about per year salary, he should have simply given stephenson the contract length that he wanted. Easy to say in hindsight, but with an impact player like that who had many other suiters, one has to accept who has the leverage and who doesn't, and make a deal happen to keep him.
 

smackababy

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With a healthy rose, its Bulls and Cavs. It's painful to consider rose still has to prove his health is sustainable and that the jury is still out, but it is what it is.

I think Bird really screwed up with Stephenson. Since it wasn't about per year salary, he should have simply given stephenson the contract length that he wanted. Easy to say in hindsight, but with an impact player like that who had many other suiters, one has to accept who has the leverage and who doesn't, and make a deal happen to keep him.

I think Rose's health and ability to be that max contract player being in question is a good thing (if he is healthy). He will have a chip on his shoulder and we already know he is a worker.
 

Miramonti

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I think Rose's health and ability to be that max contract player being in question is a good thing (if he is healthy). He will have a chip on his shoulder and we already know he is a worker.

If he's on the floor (on his feet, and not his back, clutching...) I've no doubt he will be better than ever once he gets his game rhythm back. I'm looking forward to him carrying that 'chip' and destroying the best pg's in the league again.
 

mikelish

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The Bulls, Cavs, Pacers, Toronto, Wizards and Heat should all be good this coming year in the East
 

QueBert

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If he's on the floor (on his feet, and not his back, clutching...) I've no doubt he will be better than ever once he gets his game rhythm back. I'm looking forward to him carrying that 'chip' and destroying the best pg's except Rondo in the league again.

FTFY
 

smackababy

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Rondo >>>>> *

Was just on ESPN

DaMarcus Cousins Calls Rajon Rondo The Best Point Guard in NBA

Let's go on what DeMarcus Cousins says... I'm sure he is an expert, being all of 23 years old.

Derrick Rose, despite being injured, is still constantly listed as one of the best players. Youngest MVP? Won Rookie of the Year? Rondo done any of that?
 

preslove

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Let's go on what DeMarcus Cousins says... I'm sure he is an expert, being all of 23 years old.

Derrick Rose, despite being injured, is still constantly listed as one of the best players. Youngest MVP? Won Rookie of the Year? Rondo done any of that?

He's managed to play a lot more over the last few years, though...
 

smackababy

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Cavs sign James Jones, Mike Miller, and are looking at Ray Allen. It is like all the bench players from Miami are jumping ship to Lebronland. =)
 
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Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo are both inferior to Chris Paul at the moment, based almost solely around the fact that Paul has played in more games than those two combined in the past three years. Rose hasn't played more than half a season in three years and Rondo hasn't in the last two. They're both great, but that doesn't do you much good if they're rehabbing an injury. And even if they were healthy, I'd take Paul over Rondo.
 

Miramonti

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Uhmm...no. Rhondo will always get his assists and crafty buckets, because he's crafty like that, but he will be going back to being a shower curtain on defense to drose. Rose will also slow him on offense from getting anything else for himself. 'Destroy' isn't the right word for a rondo or paul because they will still impact the game, but I believe rose will leave no doubt, once again, prove who's the player more capable of making a greater impact on the game, especially in the 4th quarter.
 

smackababy

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Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo are both inferior to Chris Paul at the moment, based almost solely around the fact that Paul has played in more games than those two combined in the past three years. Rose hasn't played more than half a season in three years and Rondo hasn't in the last two. They're both great, but that doesn't do you much good if they're rehabbing an injury. And even if they were healthy, I'd take Paul over Rondo.

I'd take Paul over Rondo, but I'd take Rose over Paul in most situations. If I was on a team with a couple other major superstars, I'd take Paul. But, on any team outside of the Heat and their Big 3, Rose would be my go to. Paul just doesn't play aggressive enough (and doesn't have to most of the time, but even when they are losing, doesn't step it up to another level).
 

Miramonti

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Derrick Rose and Rajon Rondo are both inferior to Chris Paul at the moment, based almost solely around the fact that Paul has played in more games than those two combined in the past three years. Rose hasn't played more than half a season in three years and Rondo hasn't in the last two. They're both great, but that doesn't do you much good if they're rehabbing an injury. And even if they were healthy, I'd take Paul over Rondo.

That's absolutely true and a big reason why rose will have a chip on his shoulder...to prove that he can 'get back' to being the best. As little as he's played the last couple years, the statute of limitations on still being able to claim he's the best has definitely passed, and he's going to have to re-earn everyone's respect the hard way...and I think he's going to enjoy doing that.
 
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