*Official 2014 NFL WildCard Weekend Thread* - Where Romo Happens..

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Retro Rob

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Wrong. I blame the Lions for losing, as should anyone with a fucking brain. The refs screwed them on a single play, out of a hundred. Had they done better plays prior, they wouldn't have been in that situation to lose the game on a single play. Just like people who have that game losing fumble. No, the team's play the rest of the game is what lost it.

Hey, Smackadummy.....why not go back and due the diligence of reading through my entire discussion on this, instead of frothing at mouth over a game you no one really doubted you'd win anyway.

I did NOT say the PI costs the Lions the game:

Yeah, I watched the game and I am not pissed at all. Sure that was a game changer, but you still cannot win scoring only 3 points for the second half, and with Cald-a-sack too scared to play to win (should have went for it on the 4th and 1)

Sure, I think he improved the team, but no TD's, a scared coach, an offense that was shut down in the second half, no...I will not say that non-PI call costs us the game.

However, I don't have my blinders on so thick (like you apparently do) that'd I'd be silly enough to say it wasn't a critical call because it was.

Lions played horribly in the second-half -- I've acknowledged this.

You should acknowledge this post of mine you missed because of your emotional outburst.

 
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dougp

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This argument has been going crazy on Reddit but there was an agreement.

There were two penalties on the play, defensive holding (the tug on the jersey) and the offensive facemask, which would have been called because it affected the defenders helmet by causing the head to turn and also prevented him from turning because he knocked the receivers hands away which made the actual contact that looked like PI inconsequential. It should have been offsetting penalties, if anything, and a replay of the down.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Actually, you are forgetting the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that should've been called on Dec.
 

dougp

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Actually, you are forgetting the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that should've been called on Dec.


They were arguing that as well and since he wasn't playing at the time, lack of helmet doesn't matter. As for being on the field of play, isn't it a stoppage of clock when there's a flag, so people can be out?

Regardless of that play, the shit he does on the sidelines has never been called so even if there was a penalty, I'm not shocked. He frustrates Cowboys fans with his antics, particularly sideline demeanor.
 

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I'm not going to let one penalty get in the way of a lot of other things. Going for it on 4th and 6th and Romo hitting Witten for the conversion. That scramble and strike to Williams. Bailey missing a chipshot early. Stafford having 2 minutes to drive his team that resulted in a fumble (and a gift back to Detroit) and then another stripsack fumble that sealed the game.

Dallas wore down Detroit. Suh had to sit out some play sucking air on the sidelines. Murray started getting his grove going and Dallas was running the ball better. Romo made some great passes late in the game.

Sucks that all those things will get lost in a odd penalty situation.
 

smackababy

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I'll believe that there will be a new stadium in LA when I see it.

They have the land and a plan! Just gotta get it approved.

KC is close enough to St. Louis, they can all just convert. And if KC isn't bad enough for them, Chicago, Indy, and Tennessee ain't that far off either.
 

Retro Rob

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Rams to build LA stadium. LA Rams returning in like 2018?

Oh, so you're not going to retract your accusation you indirectly heaped on me about blaming the refs for the Lions loss?

You're going to ignore my reply to you and try to change the subject to something unrelated to the playoff games this weekend?

I used to think you had integrity here NFL threads, not that you should care what I think, but you should at least admit you reacted emotionally and irrationally because you thought every sinlge Lions fan thinks the boggie-man was out to screw us.
 

smackababy

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Oh, so you're not going to retract your accusation you indirectly heaped on me about blaming the refs for the Lions loss?

You're going to ignore my reply to you and try to change the subject to something unrelated to the playoff games this weekend?

I used to think you had integrity here NFL threads, not that you should care what I think, but you should at least admit you reacted emotionally and irrationally because you thought every sinlge Lions fan thinks the boggie-man was out to screw us.

Oh, don't give me that "I never said one play lost us the game crap" because you've done it. And, yes, I do think all Lions fans are butthurt conspiracy theorists after that game. I'm sure it was the same people that did 9/11 that planted that ref!

You're also one that supported Suh's Rodgers stomp being viewed as a separate incident right? Yeah... Let's view a player with repeated violations current one as a separate incident because there is a playoff game suspension at stake!

Also, would you propose I make a new thread for every piece of NFL news now?
 

zinfamous

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Oh, so you're not going to retract your accusation you indirectly heaped on me about blaming the refs for the Lions loss?

You're going to ignore my reply to you and try to change the subject to something unrelated to the playoff games this weekend?

I used to think you had integrity here NFL threads, not that you should care what I think, but you should at least admit you reacted emotionally and irrationally because you thought every sinlge Lions fan thinks the boggie-man was out to screw us.

why do you take everything posted on these forums so damn personally?

FFS.
 

Retro Rob

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Oh, don't give me that "I never said one play lost us the game crap" because you've done it.

Show me where. I'd take a quote, and offer you an apology if I did. When I said "you can't beat the refs!" last night, I was being totally sarcastic, hence the "!" exclamation point at the end of that sentence.

The Suh incident is a red-herring.
 

Retro Rob

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why do you take everything posted on these forums so damn personally?

FFS.

When someone accuses you of being a conspiracy theorist as regards that one single play, yes, I take that personal because it is a personal attack.
 

dougp

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why do you take everything posted on these forums so damn personally?

FFS.

A lot of people do - it's those same people who get all butt hurt by my posts. It's the internet, and they're words. If people don't like them, they don't have to read them.
 

KeithTalent

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A lot of people do - it's those same people who get all butt hurt by my posts. It's the internet, and they're words. If people don't like them, they don't have to read them.

Shut up Doug, nobody cares what you think.

KT
 

Arkaign

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I think that a reasonable review of that play would have offsetting penalties. I have been told that both Dez AND some of the Lions bench walked onto the field as the chaos ensued post-flag-throw as well, things were just heated at that point.

And that was FAR from the only poor call/no-call of the game, with no rhyme or reason, just outright incompetence by the officiating crew.

It's why I support revamping the penalty process. Here's how :

Give both Head Coaches FOUR flags. They can throw them after any play to challenge a call, or a no-call. Have a veteran ref in a box full of displays with direct feed 4K displays at their disposal for all angles of the situation, constantly watching (this is easy, and what Fox/etc already have available anyway). If there was a clear no-call for a definite penalty, it's called down from above. If there was a clear botched call, then it's reversed. If it's a really egregiously bad spot, then it's marked properly, etc.

If the HC loses a challenge, he loses a timeout. However, he does NOT get the challenge flag back, 4 per game max, and depending on how the 1st year goes, consider dropping it to 3. Put a 90 second hard-timer on the challenge timing. 90 seconds is enough time to examine a 5-second or even 10-second play from multiple angles and get a clear understanding of the events. If it's something so ridiculous convoluted that there is still not enough time, tough titties.

And finally, institute a process of bonuses and penalties for the field officials themselves. Every game should be rated in more detail for the officiating, and a great performance should result in a 10% bonus to their game check, a poor performance resulting in a fine against their pay. Yes, I know this would be ridiculously hard to implement due to collective bargaining/etc. Maybe sweeten the deal by raising official's pay, but making their incentive to get it right very high. Perform well, make a lot of extra money, win. Perform poorly, get penalized, and if you outright suck, get fired with a capital F.

The Cowboys/Lions game was FAR from the only game I've seen recently with a slew of BS penalties. It's actually gotten so terrible this year that the year with the replacement refs doesn't look bad by contrast. The biggest problem with it is the inconsistency in calls. Some refs will call the holy shit out of holding, the others will let people drag others around by their necks. Some refs will call the slightest thing a personal foul, the others will shrug off all kinds of stuff. It's just very .. amateur.

Fix it, for the love of god.

And while we still have the crappy status quo, the biggest thing a team can do to win is keep fighting regardless of how stupid the refs are. Some calls really ARE the final say in a game. In yesterday's game Detroit imploded fully in the second half. They could have overcome. They failed.
 

smackababy

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A lot of people do - it's those same people who get all butt hurt by my posts. It's the internet, and they're words. If people don't like them, they don't have to read them.

Especially, in the NBA playoff threads. >_>
 

Arkaign

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Allowing challenging of non calls is beyond retarded. There is holding on every single down played. Don't like the outcome of a play? Throw that flag! Someone was holding!

Maybe add an exception to holding if it's a problem, but with only 4 (or 3) flags max, I don't think it would substantively alter the pace of the game like some say.

If there is holding by both teams, it would offset anyway. Or make it only valid if it is in the vicinity of the play or affected the outcome of the play in an overt manner. We've all seen the holding calls where it had nothing to do with anything, and we've also seen the blatant holds where a receiver is held, only for the QB to fire the ball where he SHOULD be, but the guy can't make his route because he's being grabbed for an extended period of time.

Bad no-calls are a serious issue in the league, but I'm definitely open to ignoring holding to a point either way. Holding is far from the most severe issue with officiating, I think the overall inconsistency is far worse.
 

Fingolfin269

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I hate thinking like this but all kidding aside its hard to avoid. :|

I recall a few seasons in a row when a series of incredibly bad calls in playoff games nearly led to me not watching pro football anymore. (Seattle/Pitt Superbowl, Titans/Bills forward lateral, Brady tuck-play among others)

This botched call isn't quite on the level of those debacles but its close. Really tempers my enjoyment of the game.

See bold. WTF are you talking about? That has been proven to be the correct call. Unless you're a delusional Bills fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_zg-J0q42M
 
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