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Kwatt

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Any know of a oil industry MLP with a quartly distrubution that has droped real hard (down 50% or more)?

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Imp

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And COS drops another 10%... yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Seriously, I've already mentally prepared myself for a total loss (won't happen), so it doesn't even bug me anymore.
 

Harrod

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Regarding shale and tar sands. A Lot of these companies hedge out for years. The ones that didn't will die first.

It would take years of $60 oil to hurt small producers.

Do you think the small producers like SD and HK will be able to bounce back from this? Or would you consider investments in either as dead money?
 
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Do you think the small producers like SD and HK will be able to bounce back from this? Or would you consider investments in either as dead money?

I'm going to be buying more PWE and SD soon. In Roth-IRAs. I'm probably going after PWE first.

To a lesser extent, I might grab some XCO (wow, actually up 4% today).

So long as I have BBRY and ZINC stock as my core though, I am not that worried. Ya, laugh at my BBRY stock position ...... one of the best performing stocks of 2014.
 

Imp

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So... Oil took a break from being bent over today. Drop 10% tomorrow?

And I checked the charts yesterday. Woho, in 2008/2009, prices crashed around October 2008 and started to recover hard in March 2009. At least one dead cat bounce in that 5 month span. Going to an ugly ass few months if past performance is repeated -- opposite of most disclaimers.
 

FelixDeCat

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I'm wading deeper into oil today. Hope I don't get burned.

lol no

Wait till $40

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/crude-extends-drop-below-60-050055347.html


Oil Extends Drop Below $60

Oil extended losses below $60 a barrel in New York and declined to a five-year low as the International Energy Agency cut its 2015 demand forecast for the fourth time in five months. Brent also dropped to the lowest in five years.

West Texas Intermediate futures fell as much as 1.9 percent in New York, poised for a decline of almost 10 percent this week. The IEA reduced its estimate for global oil demand growth in 2015 by 230,000 barrels a day as falling prices hurt producing nations such as Russia. U.S. output, already at three-decade high, will continue to rise in 2015, the IEA said.

WTI has tumbled 20 percent since OPEC decided to leave its output ceiling unchanged last month, resisting calls from members including Venezuela to cut production to stabilize prices. Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Kuwait, the group's three biggest members, this month deepened discounts on shipments to Asia, bolstering speculation that they're fighting for market share.

"The race to the bottom continues," Ole Sloth Hansen, an analyst at Saxo Bank A/S in Copenhagen, said by e-mail. "The IEA report confirms that the negative momentum currently seen is not going away unless we begin to see signs of supply destruction."

WTI for January delivery dropped as much as $1.15 to $58.80 a barrel, the lowest since July 2009, in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange and was at $59.03 at 10:44 a.m. London time. Total volume was about 48 percent above the 100-day average for the time of day. Prices have decreased 40 percent this year.

Brent for January settlement slid as much as 93 cents, or 1.5 percent, to $62.75 a barrel on the London-based ICE Futures Europe exchange, also the lowest since July 2009. The European benchmark crude traded at a premium of $3.89 to WTI, compared with $3.23 at the end of last week. Prices are down 8.8 percent this week and 42 percent lower in 2014.

The IEA, the Paris-based adviser to 29 nations, boosted projections for supplies outside OPEC in 2015 by 200,000 barrels a day, forecasting output will expand by 1.3 million barrels a day to 57.8 million a day.

OPEC, which supplies about 40 percent of the world's oil, maintained its output target at 30 million barrels a day at a Nov. 27 meeting. Venezuela wants special discussions to be held before the group gathers on June 5, Foreign Minister Rafael Ramirez said on the Telesur network on Dec. 10.
The global oil market will correct itself, Saudi Arabian Oil Minister Ali Al-Naimi said Dec. 10 in Lima, Peru.

Production in the U.S. expanded to 9.12 million barrels a day through Dec. 5, the fastest rate in weekly records that started in January 1983, data from the Energy Information Administration show.

"The supply outlook has driven prices to these levels and the market is now looking for a base, where it thinks shale supply growth will be reined in," Mark Keenan, Singapore-based head of commodities research for Asia at Societe Generale SA, said by phone today. "From a technical standpoint, the market is in a very clear downtrend."

The IEA cut projections for the amount of crude OPEC will need to provide next year by 300,000 barrels a day to 28.9 million. OPEC gave the same forecast, the lowest since 2003, in its monthly report on Dec. 10.

OPEC's 12 members pumped 30.56 million a day in November, exceeding their collective target for a sixth straight month, a Bloomberg survey of companies, producers and analysts showed.
 
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sm625

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A $40 price target is no joke, though it does kind of sound like one doesnt it? People dont realize just how bad the economy really is. You have this mass looting and money printing operation/racket being run by the top 1%. So their wealth has increased dramatically over the past few years. And since they own the media, they are able to frame mass (mis)perceptions about the economy. So most people think we have been in some kind of economic recovery these past 5 years. But if you simply subtract out the top 1% from all the economic statistics, you have an economy very closely mirroring the great depression. You may be able to fudge gdp numbers by selling worthless paintings for $6 million, and selling a few $10 million homes and yachts, but the top 1% really doesnt consume all that much oil. Demand for oil comes from the bottom 99%.

This is what an economic depression looks like:
It is one of the few real statisitics that hasnt been papered over with central bank funny money.
 
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Hugo Drax

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People still line up to buy iphones/ipads. Even 6 year olds with ipads. Malls packed to the brim, parking impossible to find. So it must be people borrowing more to keep up with the joneses
 

Hugo Drax

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So... Oil took a break from being bent over today. Drop 10% tomorrow?

And I checked the charts yesterday. Woho, in 2008/2009, prices crashed around October 2008 and started to recover hard in March 2009. At least one dead cat bounce in that 5 month span. Going to an ugly ass few months if past performance is repeated -- opposite of most disclaimers.

Are you gambling your roth IRA account?
 

Imp

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Are you gambling your roth IRA account?

Yes on gambling, no on IRA. We have a bunch of registered accounts in Canada: Tax-Free Savings Account (our Tea part guberment came up with that one, tax shelter on gains), Registered Retirement Savings Account (income offset tax shelter), and Locked-In Registered Retirement Savings Account (income offset, tax sheltered, usually for holding former pensions, but can't take money out unless 55, dead, poor).

I've only got money in the tax-free savings. Regardless, I can afford a total loss. Really hoping it doesn't come to that.
 

JTsyo

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So now the question is, is this dip going to grow into a correction or bounce into a new high. I don't see how low fuel prices are an issue for the economy other than the energy sector. And since the US consumes more than it exports, low fuel prices should be a net gain for the US economy.
 

jpiniero

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So now the question is, is this dip going to grow into a correction or bounce into a new high. I don't see how low fuel prices are an issue for the economy other than the energy sector. And since the US consumes more than it exports, low fuel prices should be a net gain for the US economy.

I was thinking this would be a good thing for the market because it gives the Fed an legit excuse not to raise rates but it wouldn't surprise me that there could be a big selloff just from margin calls.
 

Imp

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Meh, everyone's probably playing chicken right now.

The real question is if I should go all-in if it hits $40.

P.S. WTI is usually within 10% lower than Brent from my experience. The shit from the oil sands is... 20% below WTI?
 

Kwatt

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The real question is if I should go all-in if it hits $40.


It is about 40%. The last time it dropped that much it did not stop till it had fallen ~80%.

All in at $40, not for me. At $20 I would start easying in. But, I am near enough to needing to start drawing on my IRA. And I'm more concerned about the return OF my investment. Than a return ON my investment.

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