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KentState

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The US has enough population to field top level teams in all of those sports. Keep in mind that Uruguay is a country with 3 million people, and they've won the World Cup before and regularly feature in the advanced stages also. Besides, I don't even think that top football, basketball, or baseball players would necessarily do well at soccer.

I actually think that the top soccer talents were just completely wasted - they are not even necessarily playing another sport professionally. Sadly, I think playing soccer at a professional level is just so unappealing in the US that it comes to that.

It's not that the top professional talent in other sports could apply directly to soccer, it's that the millions of boys growing up focus on the football, baseball and basketball even if they never have a chance of advancing on. Growing up, it was near impossible to get enough kids in the surrounding towns to field enough teams for a league. Baseball and pee-wee football never had that issue.
 

iCyborg

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Yes Costa Rica figured, perhaps rightly so, that their best chance of beating the Dutch was penalties. So they succeeded in at least that part
I was sympathizing with Costa Rica when they beat Uruguay and Italy, and then boring Greece. But 1/4 final is more than enough for a team that is in many ways similar to Greece - they were near or at the bottom in number of shots and possession in group stage, and against Netherlands one of the commentaries was that they almost managed an unprecedented feat of no shots on target in 120 mins, if it wasn't for those couple in the last few minutes. I like rooting for underdogs, but I also don't want to see defensive minded teams with limited talent getting too far...
 

squarecut1

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I was sympathizing with Costa Rica when they beat Uruguay and Italy, and then boring Greece. But 1/4 final is more than enough for a team that is in many ways similar to Greece - they were near or at the bottom in number of shots and possession in group stage, and against Netherlands one of the commentaries was that they almost managed an unprecedented feat of no shots on target in 120 mins, if it wasn't for those couple in the last few minutes. I like rooting for underdogs, but I also don't want to see defensive minded teams with limited talent getting too far...

Well said, and I agree. That is why I was glad to see Netherlands win the shootout, even though I was sympathetic to the underdog
 

smackababy

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It's not that the top professional talent in other sports could apply directly to soccer, it's that the millions of boys growing up focus on the football, baseball and basketball even if they never have a chance of advancing on. Growing up, it was near impossible to get enough kids in the surrounding towns to field enough teams for a league. Baseball and pee-wee football never had that issue.

The best players usually transition to other sports, simply because the programs are better. Realistically, athletic kids can transition from soccer to football with little problems. And, if they are that good, chances are they can make it in either sport. It also doesn't help that players who might be soccer prodigies are picked up as other sport prodigies and steered in that direction at a young age in the US.
 

FallenHero

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The best players usually transition to other sports, simply because the programs are better. Realistically, athletic kids can transition from soccer to football with little problems. And, if they are that good, chances are they can make it in either sport. It also doesn't help that players who might be soccer prodigies are picked up as other sport prodigies and steered in that direction at a young age in the US.

It goes beyond that. Having played soccer through High School and played against some top level talent, I've seen what they have to put in to get there and how draining it is. I've also witnessed the rapid decline and complete burnout they experience from being pushed too hard too fast. The US training program for soccer is simply not up to date. The money to fund the advanced training does not exist for soccer in the US like it does for football/baseball/hockey/basketball.

Sure, there are some good programs out there to get kids and teenagers to an advanced state, but it stops once no one is willing to foot the bill.

Much like youth pitchers are facing today in terms of burnout with pitch counts, youth soccer players are seeing the same thing. Fall season, TWO winter seasons, spring season and summer camps every other weekend. It's too much and it kills enthusiasm.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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I was sympathizing with Costa Rica when they beat Uruguay and Italy, and then boring Greece. But 1/4 final is more than enough for a team that is in many ways similar to Greece - they were near or at the bottom in number of shots and possession in group stage, and against Netherlands one of the commentaries was that they almost managed an unprecedented feat of no shots on target in 120 mins, if it wasn't for those couple in the last few minutes. I like rooting for underdogs, but I also don't want to see defensive minded teams with limited talent getting too far...

Yep, watching the last quarter final I was constantly thinking "Costa Rica is the new Greece"
I mean heck, they beat Greece at their own game - they played like shit and somehow managed to score a goal out of nowhere, and I dont think Ive ever seen Greece play better than the other team

Sure, its amazing they got that far with that team, but no one wants to watch that kind of football, so its meaningless

Compare it to teams like Algeria, and how they played vs Germany in the 8th finals, now THAT was amazing, that was a team worth rooting for
 

Fire&Blood

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My football manager sim keeps telling me Germany will win. Oddly enough, when I simmed 2 games with the palm tree haircut playing for Brazil, he scored late to decide both games.
 

PokerGuy

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The dutch have been in the eight finals or quarter finals or final game of the WK soccer for the last 40 years. You are mistaking.

EDIT:

On the fifa soccer list, the dutch rank higher than all three.

How many world cups have the Dutch won? None. Yes, they've been close, and they have been consistently good, but never won it all. All the "elite" teams have won it all (Germany, Brazil, Italy, Argentina, France etc). When/if the Dutchies win it all they will join the club. Until then, they are just a consistently good team.

Also, the FIFA rankings are a joke.

That said, as my buddy says "hup holland!", I'm rooting for the underdogs, I hope the orange finally get to take one home. I still think Germany will win it all though.
 

squarecut1

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How many world cups have the Dutch won? None. Yes, they've been close, and they have been consistently good, but never won it all. All the "elite" teams have won it all (Germany, Brazil, Italy, Argentina, France etc). When/if the Dutchies win it all they will join the club. Until then, they are just a consistently good team.

France does not belong there in that list. They just managed to win it once and overall have been quite inconsistent. Not even qualifying several times and getting knocked out in group stages too.
 

Zargon

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I think part of the problem with the US team is that they let the opposition play their game too much. They only foul if there is actually a fair chance of getting the ball, and rarely fouls just to stop the attacking flow of the opponent.

This makes for more attractive games in general, because they become more open and there's more end to end stuff. But it's not a great idea if the objective is to win. Particularly since the US is not as good technically as the other top teams and doesn't have as much talent.

Just look at Brazil, they don't have enough talent in the squad this year to play their usual attractive game, so they mostly had to resort to playing "ugly". Sometimes you gotta do what it takes to get the results given the players that you have.

If you really think about it, the US was a bit lucky this tournament to have made it that far. The Ghana game could have gone either way, and if they had lost that one, I feel that they would not have had the confidence going into the Portugal game to get a result.

I'm still very happy with what the US has achieved (not a hater, more like a neutral fan), but if you look at the details the US still has a ways to go if they really want to be a contender at the World Cup.

The problem with the US is very fundamental - Our players are technically poor.

we wont even mentioned how terribly reffed our games were. with our players being beaten into submission by late late tackles with little to not cards thrown for it. Only Germany did not do this.

but that is same old same old for concacaf, and usa in general. Jones was carded for a tackle that he himself had been the victim of numerous times and was never even called.

its not just the US that was the victim on that though, they keep spewing to let people play and go easy on the cards, but you cant play if the other team injures all your players(looking at you, Columbia, that challenge on Neymar was textbook yellow/red material)

they need to do better in qualifying and then tighten it up even more in 2018. Watching all the best players leave the field hurt under the guise of 'let em play' is just awful
 

smackababy

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I think Brazil - Germany is going to be a great game. Brazil might have lost their best player (which Fifa won't punish the tackler for... wtf! Talk about being paid off. Oh, the refs noticed a flying knee to the back of a player and didn't even give a foul, let alone the card it deserved? Come on...) and Silva, but I think they will show up ready to play and Germany won't know who to focus on locking down.

I think Germany will edge it out though. I hope Brazil wins just for Neymar!
 

MikeyLSU

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does it seem unfair that the winner of the game today gets 2 days rest and the winner tomorrow only gets 1 day?

Both semifinal games should be on the same day, just seems like a huge advantage to today's winner
 
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I think Brazil - Germany is going to be a great game. Brazil might have lost their best player (which Fifa won't punish the tackler for... wtf! Talk about being paid off. Oh, the refs noticed a flying knee to the back of a player and didn't even give a foul, let alone the card it deserved? Come on...) and Silva, but I think they will show up ready to play and Germany won't know who to focus on locking down.

I think Germany will edge it out though. I hope Brazil wins just for Neymar!

I agree. I hope Brazil will win but Germany can really play soccer as well. I feel bad for Neymar and hope he will be 100% again, but the odds are now more in favor for the dutch, if Brazil wins today and if the Netherlands wins tomorrow. But then again, if the dutch would win from Brazil, that would feel like a cheap win with Neymar being injured and out of the game. All respect for the other players of Brazil of course.
 

smackababy

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does it seem unfair that the winner of the game today gets 2 days rest and the winner tomorrow only gets 1 day?

Both semifinal games should be on the same day, just seems like a huge advantage to today's winner

Sure, but that is just how the schedule falls. And, the finals aren't until Sunday, so the winners today get 4 days, while the winner's tomorrow get 3.
 

KeithTalent

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Well, before the tournament I put money on Brazil and Argentina to make the final, so I will be rooting for that outcome. I also put small amounts on both of them to win the final, so if they both get through I am guaranteed to make some coin.

Of course what this all means is that everyone reading this should bet Germany and The Dutch heavily since they are pretty much guaranteed to win now.

KT
 

Cappuccino

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What are the chances for Argentina winning the world cup? My boyfriend bet £1200 on Argentina when they was 14/1 to win so I'm wondering do they have a good chance to beat Holland and the finalist? I don't know anything about football tbh I want to steal my bf winnings and go on a spending spree
 

squarecut1

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One day difference in rest is fine. You can never have complete fairness in any professional sport which has some regard for its fans. That is where the money is made from, the fans and sponsors, and that is what makes these players so rich.
 

squarecut1

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What are the chances for Argentina winning the world cup? My boyfriend bet £1200 on Argentina when they was 14/1 to win so I'm wondering do they have a good chance to beat Holland and the finalist? I don't know anything about football tbh I want to steal my bf winnings and go on a spending spree

Your boyfriend must be very rich.
 

smackababy

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I wish. He spent all his student grant on this bet. I pray to god he will win! hence why I'm asking here just wondering how Argentina are doing and whatnot.

Argentina is doing okay. They lost one of their good players (Di Maria), but Messi is still Messi. He can either create ways to score or lure defenders to him and find the guy who can score.

Also, I'd find another boyfriend. I'm sure there are plenty of ATOT members who would apply for the position. >_<
 

squarecut1

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Argentina is doing okay. They lost one of their good players (Di Maria), but Messi is still Messi. He can either create ways to score or lure defenders to him and find the guy who can score.

Also, I'd find another boyfriend. I'm sure there are plenty of ATOT members who would apply for the position. >_<
I second that. He does not seem like a responsible guy :-(
 

Cappuccino

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Argentina is doing okay. They lost one of their good players (Di Maria), but Messi is still Messi. He can either create ways to score or lure defenders to him and find the guy who can score.

Also, I'd find another boyfriend. I'm sure there are plenty of ATOT members who would apply for the position. >_<
Messi is the best player in the world iirc hence why my bf gambled on Argentina I think. If he lose this bet he is screwed. I dump him if he lose the bet.. just kidding ^_^
 

zinfamous

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Sure, but that is just how the schedule falls. And, the finals aren't until Sunday, so the winners today get 4 days, while the winner's tomorrow get 3.

but the schedule is pre-approved, and regardless of who is playing in the semis, it always gives an advantage to one team in the finals over another--that extra day of rest.

I was thinking this yesterday--it is profoundly retarded. It isn't as if they couldn't play the games the same day. it's not like FIFA wouldn't be able to sell out both games, or somehow make less money. IMM, anyway.

though...as wrong as this schedule seems, it pretty much has to be tied to FIFA pulling in cash. So I guess that must be it, somehow.
 
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