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Timorous

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Rosberg does have a point though - the best result for Mercedes is where no other team interferes with their 1-2. By not opening the gap sufficiently, Lewis (or his race engineer) have put the result for the team at an unnecessary risk - this is something I would be disappointed about as well.

Rosberg probably saw no point in attacking Lewis, since it would probably cost him second place, to run for any length of time behind him - just closing the gap to DRS range is quite costly from a tire point of view. That would have compromised his position even more, compared to Seb. Had Lewis opened the gap, Rosberg could have attacked, since there would have been more of a buffer to cover an undercut, and more liberty to go racing.

Like this, we were denied a battle for the lead, and Mercedes have taken an unnecessary risk at giving away points. I quite understand Rosberg as feeling unwell in that position, where he does nothing but play Hamilton's rear guard.

In hindsight it is easy to say Lewis could have gone faster, during the race though he had no idea how the tires would hold up and he had no idea how well the tires on the Ferrari would hold up so he wanted to make sure they lasted until the optimum lap for the switch to mediums and then he could extract any remaining life from them.

If Hamilton had gone faster, opened up a 7-8s gap to Vettel but burned out his tires and been forced to do half the race on the Medium it would have compromised them heavily. Especially if Vettel had managed to go another 5-6 laps to have much fresher rubber at the end of the race and that would also have put Rosberg at risk.

Even if Hamilton did it knowing full well what he was doing and he knew he was forcing Rosberg into a position where he would need to defend the undercut from Vettel and thereby not having the ability to attack on fresher tires at the end of the race is that not just playing smart? What is wrong with that, if it was Alonso doing it he would be praised for having superior racing intelligence and would be likened to Prost for his race smarts but if Hamilton does it it is unfair to his team mate because it makes it a bit more awkward for him.
 

JulesMaximus

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I'm a bit baffled by that as well. Tire management was something Mercedes got wrong at Sepang and it cost them the win. Not sure why Rosberg is surprised by the way the race went down today.

Nico doesn't seem to be able to handle the fact that Hamilton is the better driver. I see a lot of cracks in his armor, he is going to have to toughen up or he's done in this team.
 

Brian Stirling

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I don't know that Merc will be looking to replace Nico as he is a great driver and although he's clearly the number 2 driver on the team he's still in second place in the standings. Also, when teams have two near equal drivers both aggressively trying to outdo the other it often results in them knocking each other out. The best team arrangement, I think, is for the number 1 driver to be allowed to dominate while number 2 keeps the other teams out of second place as often as possible.

Michael Schumacher's best teammate was Rubin's as he was nearly as fast but clearly the number 2 driver.

Prost and Senna nearly doomed the team by being too aggressive with each other.


Brian
 

Meghan54

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In hindsight it is easy to say Lewis could have gone faster, during the race though he had no idea how the tires would hold up and he had no idea how well the tires on the Ferrari would hold up so he wanted to make sure they lasted until the optimum lap for the switch to mediums and then he could extract any remaining life from them.


Remember, during the practice sessions, the Mercedes cars were almost shredding the soft tires while the Ferrari cars were not. Nico even said given the current state of the Mercedes setup, both Ham and himself would be shredding their tires, at least the softs. So, it wasn't unreasonable to see Mercedes was conservative with the pace they ran and used what Ferrari was doing to set their own tire strategy.

Guess it paid off. Hamilton had almost a 20 sec. lead over Vettel after the last pit stop.

And one of the announcers put it well when Nico began complaining about Ham going too slow. If you want to pass him, you're going to have to put the nose of your car on Ham's gearbox and just deal with the tire wear. Others were dealing with it, but Nico couldn't....or didn't want to.
 

Timorous

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Remember, during the practice sessions, the Mercedes cars were almost shredding the soft tires while the Ferrari cars were not. Nico even said given the current state of the Mercedes setup, both Ham and himself would be shredding their tires, at least the softs. So, it wasn't unreasonable to see Mercedes was conservative with the pace they ran and used what Ferrari was doing to set their own tire strategy.

Guess it paid off. Hamilton had almost a 20 sec. lead over Vettel after the last pit stop.

And one of the announcers put it well when Nico began complaining about Ham going too slow. If you want to pass him, you're going to have to put the nose of your car on Ham's gearbox and just deal with the tire wear. Others were dealing with it, but Nico couldn't....or didn't want to.

There was lots of concern that Merc would be running OPP and Ferrari would be running OOP which would give Ferrari a huge advantage in the second stint. When Merc switched to the OOP strategy after a fairly long first stint, where the Ferrari pitted first, it made perfect sense to pace themselves to avoid destroying the tires.

Ultimately Rosberg is annoyed because he wanted Hamilton to pit first giving him a slight tire edge at the end of the race with which to attack but that did not happen because Vettel was too close forcing Rosberg to pit early. He probably thought at that point he would have the advantage of an undercut but then Hamilton puts in a 1:43, 1:42.2 and a 1:42.2 showing just how much tire life he had left and actually opened the gap out. If Hamilton did do it on purpose it was a master stroke of racing intelligence to give him the advantage at the end of the race but I do not think he did it for that reason and it was just a side-effect of the his and the teams caution over tire wear.
 
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Should have watched WEC then. Race ended with 5secs between first and second after 6hrs. There was plenty more overtaking for the lead in that race with plenty of drama. The Neel Jani, Marcel Fassler fight was going on for like 10 laps swapping positions.

i've watched most of it now. i love gt's and prototypes, although 6-24 hours/1000 km is a hard sell for casual motorsports fans. it's worth noting that the vast majority of chatter for the past few years regarding sports cars and wec in particular is very positive, as opposed to the bitchfest of f1.

it's not all perfect:
http://www.racecar-engineering.com/articles/test-post-3-do-not-delete/
 
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_Rick_

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I think they want to have those people that want to run bespoke/custom cars in the new LMP1"b" non-hybrid class. That class is currently pretty much a one-horse race, but should be significantly cheaper than full LMP1h.
By moving LMP2 downmarket, they're also effectively moving LMP1L downmarket, because old "upscale" LMP2 outfits may switch up to 1L.
At the same time, LMP2 remains an affordable option, with sufficient customization to allow for proper endurance differences, and the opportunity for a skilled mechanics (and not necessarily engineers) team to shine by building a car that works well. Also, the drivers get to have more impact in the results.
 

Meghan54

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Remember, practice today at 11AM, ET. NBC Sports channel.


Anyone watch the Blancpain GT racing series? I do love the car assortment in that.....esp. the Bentley Continental GT3's. But the others are a joy to watch, like the McLaren 650S and MP4-12C, Ferrari 458 Italia, MG SLS AMG, Nissan GT-R Nismo, Lambo Huracan, Audi R8's, Aston Martin Vantage, Porsche 997, BMW Z4 and the Jaguar G3.
 
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bahrain gp qualifying sat 10 am eastern, race sun 10 am eastern.

the official f1 site has completely jumped the shark now, and again no longer converts to local time (or displays properly with any settings, for that matter)
 

Meghan54

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bahrain gp qualifying sat 10 am eastern, race sun 10 am eastern.


Qualifying is showing up as starting today at 11AM on CNBC. Of course, I have DirecTV, so that may make a difference.

And my guide shows the race coverage tomorrow starting at 10:30AM, which means the race probably starts at 11AM. NBCSN.
 
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button's honda gives up on his q1 out lap, alonso takes 14th.

it looks like patience is wearing thin and i agree. with a "free" year of development, this level of performance and reliability is truly shocking from honda.

hamilton, vettel, rosberg, raikkonen. hamilton .4 sec ahead of vettel, while rosberg is nearly beaten by kimi.
 
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_Rick_

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Damn, here I was hoping Rosberg would get quali right for once.

Edit: And this season Vettel gets to show how much of a champion he truly is. He has this uncanny knack of being at the right time in the right place, and making the best of his chances.
If Merc are only .4 ahead of him in quali, a race win is definitely in the cards, if strategy allows for it.
 
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Damn, here I was hoping Rosberg would get quali right for once.

Edit: And this season Vettel gets to show how much of a champion he truly is. He has this uncanny knack of being at the right time in the right place, and making the best of his chances.
If Merc are only .4 ahead of him in quali, a race win is definitely in the cards, if strategy allows for it.

we've seen (on this day, on this track) the qualifying pace is now comparable between ferrari and merc. if the race pace is also close, this one is up for grabs. any idea what the likely tire strategies are?
 

LTC8K6

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Lewis locked up his left front on his lap, so add a tenth or two to the gap to Vettel.
 

Skurge

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Lewis locked up his left front on his lap, so add a tenth or two to the gap to Vettel.

Lewis seems in a class of his own this weekend. If the Merc can keep it's tires together. I don't think anyone has much hope of beating him today.
 

LTC8K6

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Kimi gets around Rosberg for second...

Pretty good race.

Pathetic that Vettel couldn't get around Bottas, despite being faster.

Ham
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Vet

Renaults still not reliable. Ricciardo's engine blows up just as he crosses the line.

Alonso finishes 11th.

One more lap and Kimi might have won. Merc had brake problems on both cars.
 
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_Rick_

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Well, at least Rosberg didn't make an obvious mistake this time but fell prey to the classic Merc issue of weak brakes.
Vettel's error really cost him badly, but then it appeared as though he was a pawn to allow Kimi to come through, which worked rather well. I doubt he could have done anything about Rosberg on the same tires.
Not getting past Bottas - well, no straightline speed, no win.

My disappointments of the race:
Sauber (again)
Nico Hülkenberg (good quali, nowhere in the race)
And Max Verstappen also failed to shine in the way in which he usually does.
 

LTC8K6

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I don't know why Vettel made a pit stop for the front wing. Should have just lived with it until the regular pit stop.
 
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