*Official* 2015 NFL Thread -> Round1 playoffs (Wildcards)

[zinfamous]

I just remember Palmer ended on a sour note, didn't he "retire" for a year because he either hated the organization/wanted a trade then after a year played for the Raiders. But they had to trade for him or something.

I think it was a sour situation towards his end in Cincy. I recall him saying similar to having $100 million in the bank not not really giving a shit if he plays football anymore. Then he went to the Raiders to die. I guess he found his love of football when Arizona acquired him because he's been killing it.

OIC.

 

[TwiceOver]

Exactly, so many people don't get this part.

Oh calm down. I'm a Vikings fan, it was a joke. IMO there were 3 plays, any of which taken back would have equaled a Vikings win. I don't put it all on Blair.

 

[BoomerD]

Burfict suspended 3 games for his antics on Saturday against the Steelers.

IMO, not enough.

 

[Imported]

I don't think his hit on Brown was all the bad. Didn't lead with his helmet and Brown went down into the hit. The knee to Ben was dirty though.

Hell, Shazier's hit was worse.

 

[Jeffg010]

I don't think his hit on Brown was all the bad. Didn't lead with his helmet and Brown went down into the hit. The knee to Ben was dirty though.

Hell, Shazier's hit was worse.

Da hell you watching?

 

[Jeffg010]

Burfict suspended 3 games for his antics on Saturday against the Steelers.

IMO, not enough.

Agreed the crap he has done all season trying to break ankles and legs on every team he played. There no need for this.

 

[KeithTalent]

I don't think his hit on Brown was all the bad. Didn't lead with his helmet and Brown went down into the hit. The knee to Ben was dirty though.

Hell, Shazier's hit was worse.

No.

KT

 

[Imported]

Sure looks like Brown ducking his head and Burfict hitting with his shoulder in the second angle of this one:

https://youtu.be/-tfLncD3pGM

Edit: Its still an illegal hit according to the rules. And maybe Burfict's past skews people, but had that been any other defensive player I doubt they'd be getting a 3 game suspension for that.

 

[Ackmed]

I don't have a lot of love for the Steelers, they had it coming. Known for being dirty, and had a hit to the head that knocked a guy out of the game and wasn't suspended. Wallace should have gotten a suspension too for the hit in the Denver game, but he didn't. Completely after the play and very dirty, trying to hurt someone.

 

[emperus]

Burfict suspended 3 games for his antics on Saturday against the Steelers.

IMO, not enough.

3 games? So, a Jet player punches a QB in the locker room and gets 4 games, while Burfict gets 3? Lol. The NFL and its arbitrariness. The suspension will most likely be reduced upon appeal. Which begs the question, why does it seem like most NFL suspensions are reduced upon appeal? It doesn't seem like the NFL's goal is getting a fair and proper punishment.

 

[smackababy]

3 games? So, a Jet player punches a QB in the locker room and gets 4 games, while Burfict gets 3? Lol. The NFL and its arbitrariness. The suspension will most likely be reduced upon appeal. Which begs the question, why does it seem like most NFL suspensions are reduced upon appeal? It doesn't seem like the NFL's goal is getting a fair and proper punishment.

Don't forget OBJ specifically going after Josh Norman after the play was over and only getting 1 game.

 

[glenn1]

I don't think his hit on Brown was all the bad. Didn't lead with his helmet and Brown went down into the hit. The knee to Ben was dirty though.

Hell, Shazier's hit was worse.

Agreed in part and if it were another player I might give him benefit of the doubt. Right now he's in the Ndamukong Suh category of guys with a history that don't get that same consideration.

 

[Imported]

Don't forget OBJ specifically going after Josh Norman after the play was over and only getting 1 game.

Yea, way worse was OBJs.

 

[vi edit]

I'd like to see the NFL do the targeting rule that the NCAA put in. You take a head shot at somebody and you are out. Done. Over. No fines or review later on. Hit a team where it counts...with players. If a stud defensive player takes a cheap shot at receiver he's out the rest of the game. And the next one for all I care. There's no place for that type of behavior. That shot Beckham put on the Carolina guy could have easily broke his jaw.

 

[smackababy]

I'd like to see the NFL do the targeting rule that the NCAA put in. You take a head shot at somebody and you are out. Done. Over. No fines or review later on. Hit a team where it counts...with players. If a stud defensive player takes a cheap shot at receiver he's out the rest of the game. And the next one for all I care. There's no place for that type of behavior. That shot Beckham put on the Carolina guy could have easily broke his jaw.

The problem I have is there needs to be clear intent. Some of these helmet to helmet and defenseless receiver calls are bs. If a guy is leading with his shoulder into the chest of someone, and that someone adjusts their body on a way that causes them to take a hit on the helmet, why should that be a penalty on an otherwise legal and "safe" hit?

I'm certainly all for a hard, consistent punishment. First offense is thrown out. Second is thrown out and a game suspension, third can be 3 games and a forth is season.

 

[Imported]

I'd like to see the NFL do the targeting rule that the NCAA put in. You take a head shot at somebody and you are out. Done. Over. No fines or review later on. Hit a team where it counts...with players. If a stud defensive player takes a cheap shot at receiver he's out the rest of the game. And the next one for all I care. There's no place for that type of behavior. That shot Beckham put on the Carolina guy could have easily broke his jaw.

Having seen a lot of questionable targeting calls in college this year.. no thanks.

 

[SP33Demon]

Sure looks like Brown ducking his head and Burfict hitting with his shoulder in the second angle of this one:

https://youtu.be/-tfLncD3pGM

Edit: Its still an illegal hit according to the rules. And maybe Burfict's past skews people, but had that been any other defensive player I doubt they'd be getting a 3 game suspension for that.

I don't agree, it most definitely was a bad hit. You can tell that Brown is knocked out by the way his head is bobbing around while falling to the ground - he lost voluntary muscle control of his neck after the whiplash. It is inexcusable to hit a defenseless receiver like that.

Do I think it was intentional? That is harder to say, he obviously wanted to hit Brown with speed and power but the fact he didn't even look to see where the ball was shows that he intended to rock Brown catch or not. So we have 3 variables: reckless intent, a KO'd player on the field, and a player with a past of intentionally trying to hurt opponents. 3 games is probably too little when you combine those 3 variables.

 

[Imported]

I'm not debating that Brown is concussed. It was a bad hit, but had Brown not ducked his head, the shoulder would have gone into his chest and it would have been a clean hit. It's only a penalty on a defenseless receiver if the helmet/neck is hit. You can hit a defenseless receiver anywhere else.

 

[SP33Demon]

I'm not debating that Brown is concussed. It was a bad hit, but had Brown not ducked his head, the shoulder would have gone into his chest and it would have been a clean hit. It's only a penalty on a defenseless receiver if the helmet/neck is hit. You can hit a defenseless receiver anywhere else.

Wrong, it doesn't matter if the player moves their head. We saw that on the Culliver flag on the hit on Greg Olsen earlier this year, a hit to the head or neck will ALWAYS draw unnecessary roughness even if the receiver isn't defenseless:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/redskins-suffer-consequences-of-yet-another-murky-nfl-rule/

@MarkMaske
It doesn't have to be helmet-to-helmet to be a penalty. You can't hit a receiver making a catch in the head or neck, period.
1:58 PM - 22 Nov 2015
It also doesn't matter if the receiver lowers his head. Still a penalty. That's the rule, whether people agree with it or not.
2:03 PM - 22 Nov 2015

So even if Brown saw the hit coming, it's still unnecessary roughness because it hit him in the head/neck. Had Burfict hit him in the chest, then maybe it would've had a chance to be legal. Even then, with the amount of speed Burfict had, the refs could have still called unnecessary roughness. Burfict wasn't going for the ball, but the player - without caring whether the pass was catchable or uncatchable.

 

[glenn1]

Wrong, it doesn't matter if the player moves their head. We saw that on the Culliver flag on the hit on Greg Olsen earlier this year, a hit to the head or neck will ALWAYS draw unnecessary roughness even if the receiver isn't defenseless:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/redskins-suffer-consequences-of-yet-another-murky-nfl-rule/

So even if Brown saw the hit coming, it's still unnecessary roughness because it hit him in the head/neck. Had Burfict hit him in the chest, then maybe it would've had a chance to be legal. Even then, with the amount of speed Burfict had, the refs could have still called unnecessary roughness. Burfict wasn't going for the ball, but the player - without caring whether the pass was catchable or uncatchable.

There's still referee judgement involved. Just like in baseball a hit batter is not commonly intentional but the umpire has the discretion to call it thus and have the pitcher ejected. If this was Luke Keuchly dishing out that hit then he might have still drawn the flag but no way he'd be suspended. If if was Ndamankong Suh he probably would have been instantly ejected from the game and suspended before the day was over.

 

[Imported]

Wrong, it doesn't matter if the player moves their head. We saw that on the Culliver flag on the hit on Greg Olsen earlier this year, a hit to the head or neck will ALWAYS draw unnecessary roughness even if the receiver isn't defenseless:
http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/redskins-suffer-consequences-of-yet-another-murky-nfl-rule/



So even if Brown saw the hit coming, it's still unnecessary roughness because it hit him in the head/neck. Had Burfict hit him in the chest, then maybe it would've had a chance to be legal. Even then, with the amount of speed Burfict had, the refs could have still called unnecessary roughness. Burfict wasn't going for the ball, but the player - without caring whether the pass was catchable or uncatchable.

JFC I'm not debating it wasn't a penalty. I already stated any hit to the head/neck of a defenseless receiver would be a penalty which is what happened. I'm saying the suspension is ridiculous because Brown ducked into the hit.

And saying it could have been unnecessary roughness because a player is hit too hard during a catch attempt is flat out stupid. Bethea's hit on Bryant last year was unnecessary roughness by your logic since he went for the player (to make a tackle/cause an incompletion) and not the ball.

 

[SP33Demon]

JFC I'm not debating it wasn't a penalty. I already stated any hit to the head/neck of a defenseless receiver would be a penalty which is what happened. I'm saying the suspension is ridiculous because Brown ducked into the hit.

And saying it could have been unnecessary roughness because a player is hit too hard during a catch attempt is flat out stupid. Bethea's hit on Bryant last year was unnecessary roughness by your logic since he went for the player (to make a tackle/cause an incompletion) and not the ball.

Yes, that would be a borderline unnecessary roughness penalty this year. There are tons of plays where players are hit too hard and receive unnecessary roughness penalties:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...on-shawn-williams-targeting-across-the-middle

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/ha_ha_clinton-dix_penalized_fo.html

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/11/9/9694508/tj-ward-to-the-nfl-when-did-this-become-a-penalty

Different (more pussified) year, different rules. Hard hits like this are getting penalized more and more by officials. I have no doubt that had Burfict hit Brown lower it still would have leveled him and drawn an U.R. penalty.

 

[smackababy]

Yes, that would be a borderline unnecessary roughness penalty this year. There are tons of plays where players are hit too hard and receive unnecessary roughness penalties:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...on-shawn-williams-targeting-across-the-middle



http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/ha_ha_clinton-dix_penalized_fo.html



http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/11/9/9694508/tj-ward-to-the-nfl-when-did-this-become-a-penalty



Different (more pussified) year, different rules. Hard hits like this are getting penalized more and more by officials. I have no doubt that had Burfict hit Brown lower it still would have leveled him and drawn an U.R. penalty.

Again, nobody was arguing the penalty. They are arguing that, since Burfict didn't intentionally go for the helmet, a suspension is ridiculous. Especially, a 3 game suspension when a fully intentional targeted hit after the play received a one game suspension.

 

[glenn1]

Yes, that would be a borderline unnecessary roughness penalty this year. There are tons of plays where players are hit too hard and receive unnecessary roughness penalties:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl-new...on-shawn-williams-targeting-across-the-middle

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2015/09/ha_ha_clinton-dix_penalized_fo.html

http://www.milehighreport.com/2015/11/9/9694508/tj-ward-to-the-nfl-when-did-this-become-a-penalty

Different (more pussified) year, different rules. Hard hits like this are getting penalized more and more by officials. I have no doubt that had Burfict hit Brown lower it still would have leveled him and drawn an U.R. penalty.

Times change even in the NFL. In the 70s such a hit wouldn't have raised an eyebrow. Hell, unless you've done something bad enough to outright change the game (see the Andre Waters Rule after his hit on Jim Everett) you wouldn't even be recognized as a dirty player until recently.

 

[RichUK]

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