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A year or two ago, a popular value investing forum mentioned Fiat and it's stuck in my head. I can't help but notice that I am seeing Fiats a lot more these days on US roads.

I might have to read up on Fiat. I wonder how big they could actually get.

Anyone read up on them?
 

JTsyo

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Giving cost of production and some other factors, it should be back to $80+ within 2 years.

I've heard it mentioned that the old oil prices had a ME risk factor to it. With now oil also be produced by stable countries, that risk factor is much smaller. While oil will bounce back it might not see highs that was previously seen.
 

Attic

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thought whenever the repubs pwn both chambers of congress and a dem is in the white house, the stock market goes up an avg of 25%/yr for 2yrs?

what do you mean the Fed will reinvest?
reinvest what?
thought QEII is done?

The FED now owns trillions of debt with the money it printed up. The original idea was that when that debt matured, that the FED would take it off their books and wind down their balance sheet.

ie) Fed prints 100million to buy 2yr Treasuries. Fed now owns 100million of that and their balance sheet goes up 100million. At end of 2 years the Treasury pays the FED the 100million principle on the "loan". The FED says, "Well since we printed this money, we'll now unprint it and take it off our books". Net effect is that the FED printed the 100million, earned interest on the debt they bought with the 100million, but they finally remove the 100million from existence when the debt they bought matures and is paid back and the FED removes it from their balance sheet.


What the FED is doing now is when the debt on it's 4 Trillion balance sheet matures and is owed to the FED, the FED is taking that money and reinvesting it into Treasuries, so their balance sheet is not winding down.

Right now what we effectively have is the treasury rolling over zero interest rate loans from the FED (zero interest due to FED remitting interest it earns back to the treasury). AKA monetizing the debt for anyone who doesn't fall prey to the BS out of government propagandists.

The FED bought a large amount of short term treasury debt, so there is going to be plenty of reinvesting from the FED as that debt matures. QE 1 was sold on the idea the FED would wind down it's balance sheet (at the time 800billion) after it ballooned it up towards 2trillion with money printing.

As national debt climbs the effect of that reinvesting will become relatively less pronounced vs rest of the market, though it is unlikely that FED balance sheet will ever wind down to anywhere near where it was before it undertook QE which was really just a clever way to monetize national debt and some other things.

Cliffs: New normal is ultra low interest rates, it looks like this is going to be semi permanent going forward as everything indicates rates can not be let to rise, ie) low growth.
 
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Imp

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A year or two ago, a popular value investing forum mentioned Fiat and it's stuck in my head. I can't help but notice that I am seeing Fiats a lot more these days on US roads.

I might have to read up on Fiat. I wonder how big they could actually get.

Anyone read up on them?

Fiat the car? Didn't Chrysler buy them?


COS down almost 15%, exactly as expected. I'm expecting a new low to be set in the low $8 or $7, at least within the month.

FMLing that I didn't just go all in on USD like I wanted this time last year.
 

Hugo Drax

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how does that work?
how many gallons do they delivery to your front door?

You would need to pick it up. Settlement is 42,000 gallons of gasoline per contract. That would be about 4 tanker trucks required for one delivery to your place.
 
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JEDI

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Its all about killing the US/Canadian Oil and shale producers. Once they get wiped out of the picture, they can crank up the prices.

ahh...

but since oil is dropping, why isn't the consumer discresionary eft going up?
cheaper gasoline = more $ to consumers to spend?
 

Imp

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Some projects in Canada's oil sands have been around so long that at least some of their production is probably required. All the stuff that's come online in the past few years, from shale to tar sands, yep, probably the prime target.

If anyone's curious about Calgary, Alberta housing stats straight from a real estate association:
http://www.creb.com/

Albert is where the oil sands are. Info right on the first page. We're only 5 days into the year, but interesting to track how it goes over time.
 

muskie32

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If anyone is interested in a good BIO stock, IDRA is performing very well for me. Have been in since $3.80, and it is now looking to push over $5. Still a very strong buy IMO.
 

brianmanahan

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i am glad i forgot to buy VTI, VXUS and VSS for my roth ira on friday... got a %2 off deal today

might be lower tomorrow though...
 

ponyo

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Opened position in Amkor via stock and calls. Added to BP position. I will add to both positions on further weakness.
 
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Its all about killing the US/Canadian Oil and shale producers. Once they get wiped out of the picture, they can crank up the prices.

Of foreign countries going to hell in a handbasket.

Or us dollar strength.

Or global economic slowdown.

Or...


No one knows what is going on with oil. Within two years it should be back over $80
If not there will be a worldwide oil crisis as supply crashes.

The corner of Berkshire and Hathaway forums has an oil thread worth reading. Free to lurk but pay to post.
 

Michael

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Opened position in Amkor via stock and calls. Added to BP position. I will add to both positions on further weakness.

Not sure if it is low enough yet. What made you decide now is the time?

Michael
 
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I've heard it mentioned that the old oil prices had a ME risk factor to it. With now oil also be produced by stable countries, that risk factor is much smaller. While oil will bounce back it might not see highs that was previously seen.

It has to go higher or else the higher cost providers (fracking) will stop producing. Then there will be a supply issue. Which means prices go up which means more fracking.

It's kinda messed up. Oil costs between $35 and $80+ (approx.) to produce.

Some of the small fracking companies will go under and get absorbed by the big players. One almost wonders if Shell and Exxon and the like are somehow manipulating the market or giving kick backs to OPEC somehow. I honestly would not be surprised.
 
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