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emperus

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Bullcrap, don't start that shit. There's a reason why Denver D is No. 1 in the league. Denver had stupid penalties too and Peyton missed two sure TDs in the second half. That stuff evens out. Denver D won this game because they are better than NE's O.

Denver's D is good, but I think overrated based on the stats. I actually think they'll get neat next week against whomever they play. I don't think their offense can keep up.

NE, basically lined up and said we are passing the ball. I bet they had about 10 rushes the whole game. Too many injuries on the O line to overcome mistakes, like missed field goals, offsides penalties on 3rd down on the goal. Makes you more 1 dimensional than you already are.

Also I think Denver employed Seattle's patented Defense, hold every play as the refs can't call them all. It's a good strategy NE employed in their superbowl win against the Rams. But I thought they since changed the rules.

Denver's defense played well, but I think the difference this game was literally NE's poor play (signified by the missed extra point, the offsides on 4th and 1 and the drop on 4th and 6).
 

emperus

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So we just imagined 4 sacks and Brady not having any time to throw?


He didn't have time to throw. Our O-line is depleted. But, we generally, have better plays to augment for that. Like, screens, reverses, misdirection, etc. It was just an odd offensive strategy, line up Brady in an empty set and let him get pummeled.

Everyone where I was watching it was equally confused at the play calling.
 

JEDI

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Well, with that I guess I'll root for Manning in the Super Bowl. That would be a great way to end your career, a la Elway. Would be very fitting too, being with the Broncos and all.

I'm assuming Elway lost since no QB in his right mind would retire after winning the superbowl?

it's like the Redskins trading RG3 if he was the one who won the superbowl this year if Cousins was injured.
 

SSSnail

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He didn't have time to throw. Our O-line is depleted. But, we generally, have better plays to augment for that. Like, screens, reverses, misdirection, etc. It was just an odd offensive strategy, line up Brady in an empty set and let him get pummeled.

Everyone where I was watching it was equally confused at the play calling.

He thought Wade is as stupid as Bob Sutton, and just let Brady stand back there and throw. I hate Bob Sutton sometimes, most last week.
 

zinfamous

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Taking nothing away from that Denver win.. Well I am going to. The Pats beat themselves. Missed field goal(from a kicker who doesn't miss many), off-sides penalties at the worst times, really terrible play calling (both 4th down plays, and the 2 pt conversion). I hope McDaniels gets a head coaching job, we need a new OC. The play callign just wasn't imaginative.

The Denver D beat the Pats. The Pats made some dumb decisions in the end, but the Denver D won the game. The Pats didn't lose it.
 

Ricochet

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Amen, mental brainfart by Belichick. Dumb dumb dumb. It kind of reminded me of Pete Carroll not kicking FGs in the first half vs Carolina, I knew they would regret it later.

I been saying that all along to my fellow Hawks fan. It goes back to the beloved patriot game (which they barely won), then Atlanta, and then, because no lesson learned, got them in the predicament again against Carolina.
 

zinfamous

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He didn't have time to throw. Our O-line is depleted. But, we generally, have better plays to augment for that. Like, screens, reverses, misdirection, etc. It was just an odd offensive strategy, line up Brady in an empty set and let him get pummeled.

Everyone where I was watching it was equally confused at the play calling.

So you agree that Denver D dominated, because of the shitty NE O-line?

Good. back to the fact that NE didn't lose because "the gods determine them to win every game unless they choose not to" arguments from you.
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I can also assume you were watching with 100% Pats fans so 100% echoing the same biased interpretation of reality

--nothing against Pats fans specifically on that; just that you can never trust the interpretation from superfan. Never.
 
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BUTCH1

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Taking nothing away from that Denver win.. Well I am going to. The Pats beat themselves. Missed field goal(from a kicker who doesn't miss many), off-sides penalties at the worst times, really terrible play calling (both 4th down plays, and the 2 pt conversion). I hope McDaniels gets a head coaching job, we need a new OC. The play callign just wasn't imaginative.

What game were you watching?, how "imaginative" can you be with the Denver defense playing pin-ball with your QB?. If anyone's to blame point the finger at BB, you get to the 23yrd line and go for a 4th down conversion?, DUMB IDEA, take the 3 points now and trust your QB (and Gronk) to find a way to get you back in the red-zone before the end of the game. By failing on that 4th down try you now need a TD AND a conversion to force OT, crappy coaching IMO.
 

smackababy

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I really hope the Cards can pull this one out. I think Carolina and Cam will have the next couple of years to be great (especially with players back from injuries). I wouldn't mind seeing Fitz get his ring by torching Denver.

Also, lol at certain posters taking away from Denver being able to dominate NE's o line and keep Brady on his back most of the time.
 

emperus

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So you agree that Denver D dominated, because of the shitty NE O-line?

Good. back to the fact that NE didn't lose because "the gods determine them to win every game unless they choose not to" arguments from you.
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I can also assume you were watching with 100% Pats fans so 100% echoing the same biased interpretation of reality

--nothing against Pats fans specifically on that; just that you can never trust the interpretation from superfan. Never.

You make so many assumptions. I'm not a 100% Pats fan as you may think. Come to Boston and you'll see 100% Pats fans. Some of my friends I was watching the game with were more concerned with their Fantast Game day roster, telling me how terrible a QB brady is and has been while decrying the play calling.

But, seriously. Pump the breaks. If the Bronco's D was dominant, what was the PAts D? The score was 20-18 and I believe the Pats had more yards by ~100. The difference in the game again, was a missed extra point.
 
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TheSlamma

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You make so many assumptions. I'm not a 100% Pats fan as you may think. Come to Boston and you'll see 100% Pats fans. Some of my friends I was watching the game with were more concerned with their Game day roster.

But, seriously. Pump the breaks. If the Bronco's D was dominant, what was the PAts D? The score was 20-18 and I believe the Pats had more yards by ~100. The difference in the game again, was a missed extra point.


Same shit as last week and that i quoted days ago in this thread... Dropmarius Thomas and company dropping balls
 

emperus

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What game were you watching?, how "imaginative" can you be with the Denver defense playing pin-ball with your QB?. If anyone's to blame point the finger at BB, you get to the 23yrd line and go for a 4th down conversion?, DUMB IDEA, take the 3 points now and trust your QB (and Gronk) to find a way to get you back in the red-zone before the end of the game. By failing on that 4th down try you now need a TD AND a conversion to force OT, crappy coaching IMO.

I know you've watched a lot of Pats games. I remember the direct snaps to Troy Brown, the direct snaps to Edelman on the end around, the multiple screens, the screens to Hernandez in the backfield and the myriad of other plays they had.

When you have an aggressive D the goal is to use that against them, by running screens and such. I didn't see much of that. Maybe it was a personnel issue, but I did see that in previous games this season.

I agree about 1 of the 4th down plays (the 4th and 6), again that was setup by a DOla drop. The 4th and 1 I didn't mind. I did mind that play call. It was dumb.
 

zinfamous

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You make so many assumptions. I'm not a 100% Pats fan as you may think. Come to Boston and you'll see 100% Pats fans. Some of my friends I was watching the game with were more concerned with their Game day roster.

But, seriously. Pump the breaks. If the Bronco's D was dominant, what was the PAts D? The score was 20-18 and I believe the Pats had more yards by ~100. The difference in the game again, was a missed extra point.

the pats d was also dominant. Go back and read my multiple "this game is being dominated by Denver and NE Ds" since the 2nd quarter.

I'll wait.

You also need to realize that if an extra point is what determines a game, then that is a game won by defense. Low scoring game is one won (and of course created) by good defense.

Honestly, both teams played great on both sides of the ball. It's just that both defensive squads played superbly today, but obviously Denver played better. No matter how decimated the NE O-Line or Brady's targets, he will still make plays. You know that.

He made some huge plays today, but he also spent more time on the ground and throwing to the other team than he is used to.
 

zinfamous

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holy shit. I hope Arizona can make a game of this....but Carolina and Denver could be epic if the same Denver team shows up 2 weeks from now (though I see a Denver form SB 48 showing up again in all honesty. Carolina this year is much like that Seattle team)
 

emperus

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the pats d was also dominant. Go back and read my multiple "this game is being dominated by Denver and NE Ds" since the 2nd quarter.

I'll wait.

You also need to realize that if an extra point is what determines a game, then that is a game won by defense. Low scoring game is one won (and of course created) by good defense.

Honestly, both teams played great on both sides of the ball. It's just that both defensive squads played superbly today, but obviously Denver played better. No matter how decimated the NE O-Line or Brady's targets, he will still make plays. You know that.

He made some huge plays today, but he also spent more time on the ground and throwing to the other team than he is used to.

I said Brady played badly esp, in the first half. He played scared. But as I said the Pats play lost them that game and isn't that true (missed field goal)?

Anyhow, going to relax, maybe drink a little (though I'm supposed to have quit drinking in support of a friend who's in rehab) and watch the game. Enjoy the night.
 
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