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Retro Rob

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Are you serious? Lions with a solid, complete win. Not vintage Pats, no, but we grinded those guys out and took Gronk basically out of the game.

Personally, I didn't expect a win. I didn't call a blowout either.

lol pats.
 

Retro Rob

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For a league so concerned with player safety as they have led us to believe, it sure doesn't seem like it when you have some absurd things happening because of TNF. Teams have had to play 4 games in as little as 17 days and you can't forget about the travel time either, so that cuts into their 13 days of rest too and it is purely for a bit more profit. Not only are they putting player health at risk but it puts one or two teams performance at risk.

I never believed they cared about safety. They care about lawsuits. The QB rules are purely financially motivated. They know that out of market viewers do not watch games in which the starting QB is injured and not playing, especially when Brady and Rodgers aren't playing.

But honestly, as a fan, I am not concerned about player safety. AS A FAN, I only care about football being played and being entertained. I pay money and spend my time to be entertained. I don't spend my time and money to care about player safety.

So that's why the complaints about TNF falls on deaf ears with me. All I care about is watching games and being entertained.
 

Retro Rob

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Yea, the TNF was a horrible idea from the start, the NFLPA will be in contract negotiations soon, lets see if they can get rid of it. I think they will not be able to, but it might be a bargaining chip for them. As Darwin posted, if the league is all about player safety then common sense tells you not to have these games. Even with a full weeks rest injuries pile up like chord wood as the season progress's, how could playing on 3 days rest be anything but a terrible idea.

You're a fan. I am not saying you don't care about safety because I am sure you do. I just don't see why. They are there to entertain you. They get paid tons of money to entertain you. You are not their family or their doctor.
 

BUTCH1

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You're a fan. I am not saying you don't care about safety because I am sure you do. I just don't see why. They are there to entertain you. They get paid tons of money to entertain you. You are not their family or their doctor.
Sure, they get pad lot of money, but having them play on 3 days rest just makes the product look tired and wishing they were not in that game.
 
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Svnla

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How about them Fins? 3-0 and at the top.

I am still not sure until they meet and beat the Pats.

Bree is the beast. Almost 40 years old and beat not one but two defense players by his running ability for the TD.
 

BUTCH1

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Are you serious? Lions with a solid, complete win. Not vintage Pats, no, but we grinded those guys out and took Gronk basically out of the game.

Personally, I didn't expect a win. I didn't call a blowout either.

lol pats.
Lions were full of hustle both on offense and defense, the Pats seemed like they were just going to go out there and win just because. one thing's for sure, the miss Amendola and Cooks, one is the sure-fire 3rd down converter and Cooks is a top 5 receiver. Problem was, he was due to become a free agent, so of course the Pats don't pay what top performers are really worth so he was traded to LA. Phillip Dorsett was tragic on any deep routes, Hogan only got open once, and Gronk was fighting double teams all day. Next up is the Dolphins at home who are firing on all cylinders, maybe in desperation the Pats roll Josh Gordon out there just to keep the defense honest.
 

zinfamous

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Lions were full of hustle both on offense and defense, the Pats seemed like they were just going to go out there and win just because. one thing's for sure, the miss Amendola and Cooks, one is the sure-fire 3rd down converter and Cooks is a top 5 receiver. Problem was, he was due to become a free agent, so of course the Pats don't pay what top performers are really worth so he was traded to LA. Phillip Dorsett was tragic on any deep routes, Hogan only got open once, and Gronk was fighting double teams all day. Next up is the Dolphins at home who are firing on all cylinders, maybe in desperation the Pats roll Josh Gordon out there just to keep the defense honest.

Hey you never know: If Belichick can convince Gordon to stay away from the bong for at least one season, they might have a solid option there.
 

BoomerD

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Tyreek Hill is near impossible to (legally) defend.

Opposing teams really don't need to try and give the Chiefs that much help. Richard Sherman got away with blatant pass interference, but then the 49ers ended up getting nailed on another one (on a 3rd and long). But the announcers "very questionable PI call" on the second one (they keep trying to claim it was uncatchable but it was at arm length and the receiver got hit so he had no chance to extend for it). And on the first one they had "sure it seems obvious when you slow it down, but at game speed its hard to notice, great play by Sherman". It was noticeable both way (Sherman hit Hill well before the ball got there, he wasn't even looking for the ball either, he just plain ran and hit his arm down while starting to wrap him up, and then the ball came in. So if the 2nd call was "questionable" it was probably to make up for the first blown one. And the 49ers have had a bunch of other penalties.

Chiefs could definitely use Earl Thomas. Not sure how they make it happen, but especially if Berry comes back healthy, that should help the defense be less shit.

Sherman has always played fast and loose with the contact rules. USUALLY he gets away with obvious PI, but once in a while he gets called for it.
 

Retro Rob

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Sure, they get pad lot of money, but having them play on 3 days rest just makes the product look tired and wishing they were not in that game.

Right, but the money aspect wasn't at all my point. My point was the purpose of this sport is for entertainment. That's it. If anything, people will get saturated with football and get tired of it before they ever give 2 shakes about "player safety" or "tired" players.

We look at pro athletes as socially detached, overpaid crybabies anyway that can no longer relate to the struggle of common people, because they only work "on the clock" half the year yet make 1000 times more.

So 99 percent of fans care less about how "tired" they are.
 

Exterous

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Are you serious? Lions with a solid, complete win. Not vintage Pats, no, but we grinded those guys out and took Gronk basically out of the game.

Personally, I didn't expect a win.

Yeah I didn't either and when Stafford threw his first pick my thought was "Welp - here we go" and expected them to lose the game. Nice to see a workable running game and hopefully there is now some confidence moving forward.

Also, is it just me or does Blount look slower, more cautious and doesn't hit as hard as he used to?
 

KMFJD

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I shut it off after the awful staffordception, it felt like Belicheck was setting them up for a big 2nd half....
 
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Retro Rob

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Yeah I didn't either and when Stafford threw his first pick my thought was "Welp - here we go" and expected them to lose the game. Nice to see a workable running game and hopefully there is now some confidence moving forward.

Also, is it just me or does Blount look slower, more cautious and doesn't hit as hard as he used to?

Agree. After that INT, I was definitely waiting for a "same ol Lions" sequence to happen to where they piss away a game they pretty much had total control over.

What I am more impressed with is how they won. No fluke 14-point comeback with 5 minutes left in the game. No 450 yard, 4TD passing game from Stafford. And no BIG PLAYS were given up by the defense. It was the best looking win I've seen in a long time.

I don't know about Blount. He looked himself to me. But Johnson looking like a beast. He and Riddick can do serious damage if our oline plays well.
 
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purbeast0

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As much as the TNF games seem to suck sometimes, I'm all for them from a fan point of view. I'd take NFL 7 days a week if it was possible. More football to me is always a good thing.

As for the roughing the passer calls, as a Redskins fan, that hit on Smith from Matthews was as clean as they get and was such a terrible call. It was almost as bad as the call he had against Cousins last week that literally caused the Packers a win. The Packers should be 2-1 right now not 1-1-1. The Vikings should be 1-2. The NFL really needs to just flat out come out and abolish the rule as far as "putting weight on the QB" is concerned because it's just ridiculous.

And then in the Seattle/Dallas game there was another penalty that was just as ridiculous as the Matthews calls.
 
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Retro Rob

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As much as the TNF games seem to suck sometimes, I'm all for them from a fan point of view. I'd take NFL 7 days a week if it was possible. More football to me is always a good thing.

As for the roughing the passer calls, as a Redskins fan, that hit on Smith from Matthews was as clean as they get and was such a terrible call. It was almost as bad as the call he had against Cousins last week that literally caused the Packers a win. The Packers should be 2-1 right now not 1-1-1. The Vikings should be 1-2. The NFL really needs to just flat out come out and abolish the rule as far as "putting weight on the QB" is concerned because it's just ridiculous.

And then in the Seattle/Dallas game there was another penalty that was just as ridiculous as the Matthews calls.

Yep.

Speaking of the Cowboys, its hilarious how garbage they are playing and how Dak literally has been exposed as an average QB. Actually, its really amazing to see this. Its good to see. The most over exposed team in sports history maybe. Haven't done anything sine the 90s.
 

Retro Rob

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Anyone find the comments made by Gronk interesting? While I do believe him when he says he only wants to play with Brady, but good God, I would also retire if I were traded from that team to the Lions. While they have a really good QB, they are a cellar dweller.

But this shows just how good Belichick is -- "better early than late" to get rid of a player. The Lions would have had to pay a heavy price for Gronk, which would probably not had been worth it.

The only time you trade for a player like that is if you're making an immediate SB run. It would have been silly for the Lions to trade for him.
 

purbeast0

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Yep.

Speaking of the Cowboys, its hilarious how garbage they are playing and how Dak literally has been exposed as an average QB. Actually, its really amazing to see this. Its good to see. The most over exposed team in sports history maybe. Haven't done anything sine the 90s.
Eh, I thought it had been pretty common knowledge that Dak was nothing special but they were just clicking on all cylinders last year with Zeke helping him out a lot. At least that is the vibe I got outside of Cowgirls nation talking about him.
 
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Darwin333

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I've posted this before, TNF should only happen to teams coming off a bye. If they need to ditch a preaseason game and add a 2nd bye week to insure they can get enough teams off byes for those games, all the better.

Hell they'd get WAY more revenue by just getting rid of both a preseason game and TNF and just starting the season a week early. Play all of the games you'd have on TNF like you would any other weekend.
 

Retro Rob

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WOW.......big, (bad) news out of the KC/SF game, Jimmy G has apparently torn his ACL in the loss to the Chiefs, here's the play it happens on,
I wonder WTF was he thinking?, Mahomes was scurrying around a bit today but he (smartly) runs OB as the defense closed. Garoppolo decides to lower his shoulder and take on the defender and in the process his left leg gets pushed into a horrible direction causing the injury.

I didn't think the division was that good, but its probably the worst in Football now. Seahawks, Rams, Niners, Cardinals (absolute garbage team).

I know the Rams are legit, but the rest of those teams are disgusting...especially Arizona.
 

Darwin333

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You're a fan. I am not saying you don't care about safety because I am sure you do. I just don't see why. They are there to entertain you. They get paid tons of money to entertain you. You are not their family or their doctor.

To add to what the poster below me said, yes I want to be entertained but losing a starter, especially a really good starter, because of stupid ass TNF makes the rest of the season less entertaining. So in a way, even from a purely entertainment value, player safety should be important to everyone to a point. Yeah we like big badass hits but with the new concussion protocols you'd have half the starters out of the game by the 3rd quarter and then how entertaining is the product?
 

Retro Rob

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To add to what the poster below me said, yes I want to be entertained but losing a starter, especially a really good starter, because of stupid ass TNF makes the rest of the season less entertaining.

I think this is unproven. I've never seen any proof that TNF games increases injuries. Its a regular season game. Its not like a starter is getting hurt because of extra practices or extra preseason games.

So in a way, even from a purely entertainment value, player safety should be important to everyone to a point. Yeah we like big badass hits but with the new concussion protocols you'd have half the starters out of the game by the 3rd quarter and then how entertaining is the product?

I don't think this is proven. I think you're making an assertion because you don't like TNF games. I don't think TNF games increases injuries any more than Sunday or Monday games.
 

Retro Rob

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Its hilarious seeing Skip Brainless with his irrational, blind defense of Dak Prescot, I can't believe this guy. Dak is an average to below average QB.
 

Darwin333

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As much as the TNF games seem to suck sometimes, I'm all for them from a fan point of view. I'd take NFL 7 days a week if it was possible. More football to me is always a good thing.

As for the roughing the passer calls, as a Redskins fan, that hit on Smith from Matthews was as clean as they get and was such a terrible call. It was almost as bad as the call he had against Cousins last week that literally caused the Packers a win. The Packers should be 2-1 right now not 1-1-1. The Vikings should be 1-2. The NFL really needs to just flat out come out and abolish the rule as far as "putting weight on the QB" is concerned because it's just ridiculous.

And then in the Seattle/Dallas game there was another penalty that was just as ridiculous as the Matthews calls.

Yeah, they are definitely getting out of hand with the roughing the passer calls. There was one in the NO-ATL game against Drew Brees, and Drew Brees is my boy, that was as clean as they come. Brees even still had the damn ball in his hand and it drew a roughing call. I get that they want to protect their money makers and I damn sure don't want to see MY quarterback injured but come on, WTF is the defense supposed to do?
 

Darwin333

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For everyone that didn't see the Drew Brees rushing TD, I actually cringed and held my breath when he didn't slide!

 
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