**Official 2018-19 NFL Week 3 Thread - Where Quitting at Halftime Happens**

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The Vikings bet on the Bills, I see.
Today's shocker for sure, 24-0 with 7:00 to play in the 1st half yet, Bills currently in scoring position again at the Viking 30yrd line. Who knows, maybe the embarrassment of the week 1 blowout and Davis quitting mid-game has angered the Bills. As Chris Berman said, "no one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills!!"
 

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Wow, KC has amassed a 35-10 lead at the half, Mahomes has 252yds and 3 TD's already. One of his throws he was flushed, spun backwards to the right, then did a 180 and while running full tilt to his left uncorks a sidearm rocket to his tight end fitting it between 2 defenders. Last week he had 6 TD's and 5 incomplete, if KC can just play average defense I can't see them losing often.
 

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Steelers now talking trade offers for LeVeon Bell, unable to come to an agreement by the July 16th deadline Bell was playing under the franchise tag for the 2nd season, this time it was $14.5 million, which Bell felt was unfair so he has yet to report and play. This is not sitting well with team mates, tough sell to an O-lineman making $2-4 million/year, obviously players want the long term deal with the guaranteed portion of the contract, but I think Bell is taking it too far, can't see another team willing to take his current $$ status on as well as his constant crying poor 'ol me.http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24770741/steelers-now-listening-trade-offers-leveon-bell
 
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Wow, KC has amassed a 35-10 lead at the half, Mahomes has 252yds and 3 TD's already. One of his throws he was flushed, spun backwards to the right, then did a 180 and while running full tilt to his left uncorks a sidearm rocket to his tight end fitting it between 2 defenders. Last week he had 6 TD's and 5 incomplete, if KC can just play average defense I can't see them losing often.

And Mahomes isn't even playing spectacular today (not that he's playing bad, but he has room to improve). He's overthrown guys multiple times (including probably a couple of long TDs), and had a couple of other not great plays.

But its funny how every week people have heard about how good he and the Chiefs are and act like its a fluke (oh the Chargers were being the Chargers, or the Steelers are melting down, etc), and you can tell they haven't actually watched them play (other than maybe highlights) yet. But then they do and more and more of them (well ones that don't intentionally play dumbasses like Skip Bayless who literally was claiming games where Mahomes threw for that amount of TDs were in fact INTs while at Texas Tech - which you'd think someone might think if he'd thrown 60+ INTs that people might have made a fuss about that, no?), finally do and then they're like "oh, no these guys are just playing amazing".

Oh and not saying you were doing that. I'm talking about the media people. There's still some that are even talking shit on Mahomes (yeah, there's one local KC guy that I see people bitch about because he still is acting like Mahomes has nothing to do with the success; I think Cris Carter has been doing the same thing, and there's some others, some keep acting like he throws a ton of INTs which he really didn't even at Texas Tech).
 
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Steelers now talking trade offers for LeVeon Bell, unable to come to an agreement by the July 16th deadline Bell was playing under the franchise tag for the 2nd season, this time it was $14.5 million, which Bell felt was unfair so he has yet to report and play. This is not sitting well with team mates, tough sell to an O-lineman making $2-4 million/year, obviously players want the long term deal with the guaranteed portion of the contract, but I think Bell is taking it too far, can't see another team willing to take his current $$ status on as well as his constant crying poor 'ol me.http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24770741/steelers-now-listening-trade-offers-leveon-bell

I think the Steelers are about to meltdown. Too much drama which Tomlinson seems to foster. Big Ben on decline (plus his waffling about retiring or not) isn't going to cover it up any more. Bell has caused drama like every year for like 3 years now, Brown is almost always causing drama, and they scapegoated Hailey, when he likely wasn't the actual problem.
 

BUTCH1

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I think the Steelers are about to meltdown. Too much drama which Tomlinson seems to foster. Big Ben on decline (plus his waffling about retiring or not) isn't going to cover it up any more. Bell has caused drama like every year for like 3 years now, Brown is almost always causing drama, and they scapegoated Hailey, when he likely wasn't the actual problem.
Yea, that team is non-stop drama, last season the were chirping about "beating NE in the playoff's" but one small problem, the had not played the Jags yet. As we all know, they lost to the Jags at home, a team that had smoked them, (at home), earlier in the season. Brown is a sick talent but another diva, last week he was bitching about not seeing enough balls, it just never ends with these guys. I actually think Tomlin is a decent coach but since he didn't crush the drama at the outset way back he's kind of stuck with it now.
 

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Another ridiculous roughing the passer call. How do you tackle a guy and then not land on him? You might as well put QB's out there in pink slippers and bath robes.....Maybe put little flags on their hips that you have to grab instead of tackling them.
 
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Yea, that team is non-stop drama, last season the were chirping about "beating NE in the playoff's" but one small problem, the had not played the Jags yet. As we all know, they lost to the Jags at home, a team that had smoked them, (at home), earlier in the season. Brown is a sick talent but another diva, last week he was bitching about not seeing enough balls, it just never ends with these guys. I actually think Tomlin is a decent coach but since he didn't crush the drama at the outset way back he's kind of stuck with it now.

Yep. Hell the year before they barely beat fucking Alex Smith led KC in the playoffs (when they were running all over them, they couldn't get TDs kept settling for FGs because they kept throwing when they'd get in the red zone).

I'm not sold on Tomlin because I think he's either the main source of or helps foster all the drama. He reminds me of Gruden, where if he has a pretty f'ing stacked team around him, he'll be successful. And then they went and got a team full of drama queens (on top of those I mentioned before, don't forget Jame Harrison, and the team turned on him). I don't think Tomlin sucks or anything, I just don't think he's as great as his record/ring seems to indicate. Without the Steelers organizational stability, I think he'd be an average coach. Decent (and he has gotten some success out of the talent, which plenty of other coaches have failed to do - Schottenheimer, arguably Cowher, Shula post-70s, the various coaches that failed to capitalize on the Chargers during the 2000s and later), but not spectacular.

I also think Hailey was a big part of why their offense exploded like it did, and while it can still be great, it's become inconsistent. Brown bitching about not getting enough balls, the Chiefs D was shutting him down (I think they were almost always doubled up and probably tripled up on him a lot), and they were still being successful so Brown should realize he's helping more by helping others get open. Which Hailey is a drama queen too, but I think he gets his players to perform. I mean, Brady and McDaniels have had how many shouting matches on the sideline and yet they realize they're better together.

Just noticed I was calling Tomlin, Tomlinson (guess because of LaDainian).
 
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Another ridiculous roughing the passer call. How do you tackle a guy and then not land on him? You might as well put QB's out there in pink slippers and bath robes.....Maybe put little flags on their hips that you have to grab instead of tackling them.

I get the frustration, but I see why the NFL is trying to alter the behavior. If you're the defender, twist as you wrap up, holding onto the QB, bringing him down on you or spoon them and both land on your side, I guess.

That or just wrap them up tight and push them but don't take them to the ground and wait for them to blow the whistle for forward progress.
 
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The Chiefs better be figuring out how they can get Earl Thomas because damn this defense is sure trying to make other offenses look like they're on the level of the Chiefs'. Can't tackle, can't rush the QB for shit (all of a sudden they figured out how, WTF), can't cover, can't stop the run (but every so often will get a goal or 3rd down stand).

And then the offense floundered and the 49ers are getting back in the game.

Wow that was really stupid. WTF was Garropolo thinking? He stayed in bounds earlier in the game and they thought there'd be a roughing call when a defender forearmed him to the back to push him out of bounds. Then he stays in again and lowers his fucking throwing shoulder into the defender. Just dumb.

Not sure how that was offensive PI, should've been holding or something I'd think? Seems like they shouldn't have called anything. I think what caused it was the 49ers player's arm going up to the ball (even though the pass was going to the other 49er).

Garropolo carted off. He apparently hurt his knee not his shoulder.
 
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Another ridiculous roughing the passer call. How do you tackle a guy and then not land on him? You might as well put QB's out there in pink slippers and bath robes.....Maybe put little flags on their hips that you have to grab instead of tackling them.
Yea, what EXACTLY is Matthews supposedly doing wrong?, on both of those RTP calls he intentionally landed on one of his arms to avoid applying his full weight to the QB. I get protecting the head, I get protecting the lower legs and I get not rag-dolling the QB into the turf but they've gone WAY overboard with this shit. Last week they showed a Brady sack, a good, hard, legit, (IMO) sack, no penalty. It was much more of a lick than the Matthews sack so how exactly are Ref's supposed to call this?, no one really knows apparently. In other news Jacksonville goes down at home to the Titans, 9-6, the offense was just horrible, Bortles morphed back into Bortles, (21-34, 155yds). Titans beat Jax twice last year, the Jax players were all over the local news all week saying this game was even more of a "payback" than the Patriots game. Seems they shot their load last week and were unable to handle the bruising Tennessee play today.
 

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The Chiefs better be figuring out how they can get Earl Thomas because damn this defense is sure trying to make other offenses look like they're on the level of the Chiefs'. Can't tackle, can't rush the QB for shit (all of a sudden they figured out how, WTF), can't cover, can't stop the run (but every so often will get a goal or 3rd down stand).

And then the offense floundered and the 49ers are getting back in the game.

Wow that was really stupid. WTF was Garropolo thinking? He stayed in bounds earlier in the game and they thought there'd be a roughing call when a defender forearmed him to the back to push him out of bounds. Then he stays in again and lowers his fucking throwing shoulder into the defender. Just dumb.

Not sure how that was offensive PI, should've been holding or something I'd think? Seems like they shouldn't have called anything. I think what caused it was the 49ers player's arm going up to the ball (even though the pass was going to the other 49er).

Garropolo carted off. He apparently hurt his knee not his shoulder.
Wish I could get that down here in FL, i didn't re-up the Sunday ticket this year, the $400 is getting steep. Miami just beat the Raiders, the black and silver faithful acted like Gruden coming back would be like the 2nd coming of Christ, now they are 0-3 LOL!!
 

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Yeah but they get ten days off on the back end, so there is benefit to playing on Thursday night. Night games are only garbage when two bad teams are playing. MNF regularly gets bad games nowadays. SNF usually gets great match ups.

For a league so concerned with player safety as they have led us to believe, it sure doesn't seem like it when you have some absurd things happening because of TNF. Teams have had to play 4 games in as little as 17 days and you can't forget about the travel time either, so that cuts into their 13 days of rest too and it is purely for a bit more profit. Not only are they putting player health at risk but it puts one or two teams performance at risk.
 
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zinfamous

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Saints seem to be playing to whatever level their opponents decide to play at, week in and week out.
 

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Hail to the Redskins! The offense looked good. Another great day for AP: 100 yds, 2 TDs.
The defense stepped up when they needed to. That forced fumble took the Packers comeback chances from slim to none.
 

Darwin333

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Saint's win in OT 43-37, Brees has TWO rushing touchdowns and only one of them was a QB sneak!
 

Darwin333

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Saints seem to be playing to whatever level their opponents decide to play at, week in and week out.

I can't argue with that. They get a sense of urgency when they absolutely have to but where the hell is that every other series? The Falcon's D isn't a joke and being long time, and often nasty, division rivals they always show up to play, especially in their own house so it's not like they were playing some easy team. The last two Saint's drives were things of beauty, at least as a Saint's fan.
 

BUTCH1

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WOW.......big, (bad) news out of the KC/SF game, Jimmy G has apparently torn his ACL in the loss to the Chiefs, here's the play it happens on,
I wonder WTF was he thinking?, Mahomes was scurrying around a bit today but he (smartly) runs OB as the defense closed. Garoppolo decides to lower his shoulder and take on the defender and in the process his left leg gets pushed into a horrible direction causing the injury.
 
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WOW.......big, (bad) news out of the KC/SF game, Jimmy G has apparently torn his ACL in the loss to the Chiefs, here's the play it happens on,
I wonder WTF was he thinking?, Mahomes was scurrying around a bit today but he (smartly) runs OB as the defense closed. Garoppolo decides to lower his shoulder and take on the defender and in the process his left leg gets pushed into a horrible direction causing the injury.

Yeah. Twice today he should've gone out but kept trying to stay in and both times kinda took a shot. The first time a d-lineman threw a forearm into his upper back to force him out (the announcers acted like for sure it'd be roughing, but turns out it was I believe a holding penalty on the 49ers). That second one was just dumb. He frickin tried to square up to a defender with his throwing shoulder. I don't care if it was just a DB, that's just stupid).

I agree, I hate seeing Mahomes run, he's just awkward (he actually took a hit that I don't like seeing because he wasn't going more out of bounds earlier, like he was still angling in, which gave the defensive player a chance to get a shove in which sent Mahomes flying on the sideline, and we've seen plenty of knee injuries from the momentum carrying them out of bounds where there's different footing/materials). Scrambling some when there's space to, fine (but even then, he doesn't seem to want to just slide although he was mostly good about that today, but he was taking hits that he shouldn't be). But then, he got sandwiched on a play (good squared up hits by both defenders), but one of the defenders ended up injured. Mahomes is pretty stout, but it still senseless for him to take unnecessary hits. And I don't want to see any players injured.

To a certain extent I think the QBs, after all the protections and penalty flags they get, want to show that they're tough.

Ugh, some Chiefs fans are gloating about Peters injury (most of them are assholes that have been trashing him over the anthem shit). Some, but there's plenty that weren't even Peters fans that aren't (and I see behavior like that from fans of other teams plenty too, but there's definitely some disgustingly terrible Chiefs fans).
 
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Oh, and I'd kinda referenced it earlier, but people might not have been aware. Supposedly Seattle is listening to offers to move Earl Thomas. Dallas has been mentioned, but there's reports that the Chiefs became frontrunners pretty quickly (although that might be Seattle trying to get more out of Dallas, and I'm not entirely sure how the Chiefs would swing it, but they do have a couple of 2nd round picks next year, which is supposedly what Dallas offered - er make that a single 2nd rounder).

The Chiefs could sorely use him. Some people are worried that it might mean Berry is done for the year, but Berry was usually SS (he played some FS the past couple of years, although I think that's more because our other safeties were worse in coverage, which they could definitely use both and Berry at SS with Thomas at FS should help a hell of a lot with their defensive problems).

For a league so concerned with player safety as they have led us to believe, it sure doesn't seem like it when you have some absurd things happening because of TNF. Teams have had to play 4 games in as little as 17 days and you can't forget about the travel time either, so that cuts into their 13 days of rest too and it is purely for a bit more profit. Not only are they putting player health at risk but it puts one or two teams performance at risk.

I've posted this before, TNF should only happen to teams coming off a bye. If they need to ditch a preaseason game and add a 2nd bye week to insure they can get enough teams off byes for those games, all the better.
 
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BUTCH1

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Yea, the TNF was a horrible idea from the start, the NFLPA will be in contract negotiations soon, lets see if they can get rid of it. I think they will not be able to, but it might be a bargaining chip for them. As Darwin posted, if the league is all about player safety then common sense tells you not to have these games. Even with a full weeks rest injuries pile up like chord wood as the season progress's, how could playing on 3 days rest be anything but a terrible idea.
 
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zinfamous

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I can't argue with that. They get a sense of urgency when they absolutely have to but where the hell is that every other series? The Falcon's D isn't a joke and being long time, and often nasty, division rivals they always show up to play, especially in their own house so it's not like they were playing some easy team. The last two Saint's drives were things of beauty, at least as a Saint's fan.

yeah but Cleveland!
 
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