**Official 2018-19 "Who's Worse? Whitten or Gruden?" NFL WK 8**

Retro Rob

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I cannot honestly say that I have paid any attention to the MNF Broadcast, but I will take the word of many locally anyway, who have panned Whitten and McFarlane's crane act especially. I really don't watch it much anymore since I believe the games are traditionally garbage. This week's MFN game will be garbage.

I actually hate the crane crap and I don't really understand the point of it. I really don't. Different camera angles? LOL no, I'm good with that. He's just in the way and adds nothing new or informative to the broadcast.

As far as Whitten is concerned, I don't see who he got such a high profile job with ZERO experience. The love affair with Romo is done on CBS with all his annoying pig squeals during broadcast. I remember, though, that he was calling plays out before they happened because he had just retired so he was plugged in.

My guess is that ESPN was hoping the same thing with Whitten, but as far as I understand, he sucks.

Gruden? I'm not of the opinion that he is a failure. I think Gruden had a plan all along to gut this team. But I don't like how he lied and said "Mack didn't want to be here". He did, but under a bigger contract.

Yes, the Raiders are garbage. But that's OK. He will have a chance to build this team. FWIW, I think he will fail. I never thought he was a good coach. I believe he's good at talking football, but I think he's overrated.

We will see.



Thursday, October 25, 2018


Miami Dolphins at Houston Texans 8:20p FOX/NFLN

Sunday, October 28, 2018


Philadelphia Eagles at Jacksonville Jaguars (London) 9:30a NFLN
Baltimore Ravens at Carolina Panthers 1:00p CBS
New York Jets at Chicago Bears 1:00p CBS
Tampa Bay Buccaneers at Cincinnati Bengals 1:00p FOX
Seattle Seahawks at Detroit Lions 1:00p FOX
Denver Broncos at Kansas City Chiefs 1:00p CBS
Washington Redskins at New York Giants 1:00p FOX
Cleveland Browns at Pittsburgh Steelers 1:00p CBS
Indianapolis Colts at Oakland Raiders 4:05p CBS
San Francisco 49ers at Arizona Cardinals 4:25p FOX
Green Bay Packers at Los Angeles Rams 4:25p FOX
New Orleans Saints at Minnesota Vikings* 8:20p NBC

Monday, October 29, 2018


New England Patriots at Buffalo Bills 8:15p ESPN
 

purbeast0

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Rules in football are so stupid lol. That fumble for a TD that was turned over to be incomplete is just so convoluted lol. I can see why people who haven't followed football forever have no clue wtf is going on.
 
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Retro Rob

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Rules in football are so stupid lol. That fumble for a TD that was turned over to be incomplete is just so convoluted lol. I can see why people who haven't followed football forever have no clue wtf is going on.

Funny that whenever a WR or RB establishes possession and the ball is knocked out, its a fumble. A QB has possession, and depending on his intent and arm movement, its an "incomplete pass".

A dropped or dislodged possessed football is a fumble for any other position.
 
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zinfamous

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I'm going to go with Whitten for now, waiting to see what Gruden does after he douses the fire that he started in the Oakland dumpster and restocks it.

...I don't think Whitten is awful, he's just completely lacking in personality and seems very very awkward; but I think he could improve. He has no cadence as a broadcaster, he isn't conversational, and just very wooden or robotic. I think he's one of those 2% of jock dudes that majored in "stealing lunch money from nerds" instead of communications.
 

Retro Rob

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Witten is TERRIBLE. Half the time he doesn't even know what to say. He's really bad.

I think this was one of my favorites of his:

https://twitter.com/KTVBSportsGuy/status/1052035440109268996

This whole page is full of LULz about how bad he is though.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/17...y-night-football-espn-color-commentary-review

Wow, the stuff in the sb nation link is cringe worthy. For some reason, I think Witten isn't really preparing as experienced commentators do, as he may believe his job is merely a natural progression from the football field. I don't know.

But he probably needs to cut his teeth doing college football, or Friday night games to learn how to be an announcer. To be slapped right on prime time is unfair to us and him, especially seeing how they are basically succeeding Tirico who is hands down the best in the business, and Gruden.

I will say this again; former pro athletes do not automatically make good commentators. Calling games is a skill, and many times the best were not good pros at all, or were not pros at all. Romo was lighting in a bottle, and he so happened to be a former Cowboy.

Yes, I now see Witten sucks. But I think he'll remain on the MNF team, even in another capacity next season.
 

purbeast0

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Wow, the stuff in the sb nation link is cringe worthy. For some reason, I think Witten isn't really preparing as experienced commentators do, as he may believe his job is merely a natural progression from the football field. I don't know.

But he probably needs to cut his teeth doing college football, or Friday night games to learn how to be an announcer. To be slapped right on prime time is unfair to us and him, especially seeing how they are basically succeeding Tirico who is hands down the best in the business, and Gruden.

I will say this again; former pro athletes do not automatically make good commentators. Calling games is a skill, and many times the best were not good pros at all, or were not pros at all. Romo was lighting in a bottle, and he so happened to be a former Cowboy.

Yes, I now see Witten sucks. But I think he'll remain on the MNF team, even in another capacity next season.
I think Troy Aikman is really good too. A lot of people dislike him and Joe Buck but I like both of them.
 

zinfamous

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I think Troy Aikman is really good too. A lot of people dislike him and Joe Buck but I like both of them.
Yeah I think Aikman has been the best one out there for some time now.

....people like Tony Romo in the booth? This surprises me.
 

purbeast0

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Yeah I think Aikman has been the best one out there for some time now.

....people like Tony Romo in the booth? This surprises me.
Another ex-Cowboys player I like is Daryl Johnston. He does a good job too. WTF why do the Cowboys have so many ex-players in the booth lol?

Redskins win was YUGE! I think on the broadcast they said after week 8 the Redskins haven't lead the division since 2000, which seems shocking since in 2008 they were 6-2 but I thought I heard em say that. But in 08 they ended up 8-8. They look like shit on offense but AP broke for a long run to put the nail in the coffin. Their defense is pretty legit.

So glad the Ravens lost that will make work more fun tomorrow. This Bucs/Bengals game is pretty nuts too considering Winston was pulled and now they are tied.
 

Retro Rob

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Wow, the Lions don't suck, but Christ they looked like complete, utter, 2008 trash for like 55 minutes of that game.

Stafford absolutely made rookie mistakes in the 4th quarter, throwing an idiotic INT and simply dropping and fumbling a football untouched. He looked bad today. Padded some stats, though, in the process. But he and the team sucked.

And I think its official the Bucs have no quarterback. When both QBs are benched within 8 weeks of a season, then the season is lost. Winston probably isn't the answer.
 

BUTCH1

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Come on, Ravens. Help me sleep well tonight by winning this game.
They didn't help their cause much by Collins fumbling close to the end zone, Carolina looks more and more like a force to be reckoned with as the season progresses.
 

BUTCH1

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Wow, the Lions don't suck, but Christ they looked like complete, utter, 2008 trash for like 55 minutes of that game.

Stafford absolutely made rookie mistakes in the 4th quarter, throwing an idiotic INT and simply dropping and fumbling a football untouched. He looked bad today. Padded some stats, though, in the process. But he and the team sucked.

And I think its official the Bucs have no quarterback. When both QBs are benched within 8 weeks of a season, then the season is lost. Winston probably isn't the answer.
I think they will go back to Fitz, Winston threw 4 int's today including a pick-6, sine his return he has 10 int's and 6 TD's, he had his chance and clearly blew it. At least Fitz mounted a comeback and ties the game late.
 

BUTCH1

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Yeah I think Aikman has been the best one out there for some time now.

....people like Tony Romo in the booth? This surprises me.
I do, but he's fairly polarizing, either you like him or hate him, he is somewhat animated up there, but you can tell he has a great understanding of what's happening, I like that.
 

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Absolutely boneheaded decision by GB kickoff returner. Didn't even give Rogers a chance due to the resulting turnover.
 

glenn1

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Hey Vikes I've heard this Kamara guy is halfway decent, maybe you should attempt to cover him.

LOL and Cousins gets charged with the pick 6 INT after his receiver says "who cares" and stops running his improvised route.
 
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purbeast0

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As great as Cousins has been playin for the Vikings, it's turnovers like that that seem to be his achilles heel. He always has these huge bone headed turnovers in the worst times. He's been having them primarily as fumbles as a Viking, but he had picks and turnovers as a beloved patriot.
 

glenn1

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FitzMagic back in as the starter in Tampa. Queue up the "dis gon be gud" memes.
 
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