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JTsyo

Lifer
Nov 18, 2007
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Two words: Apple and China. At the moment, we have a duopoly with AMD and Intel. But either Apple or China can break that. They have the funds and the willpower to overcome that barrier to entry. So do Qualcomm and ARM but their focus is different.

China is my biggest worry for AMD and Intel. http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201801/15/WS5a5c19f0a3102c394518f3f3.html Going from a duopoly to a more competitive environment could destroy much of the profit margins for both AMD and Intel. China's economic goals are to become the world leader in technology. CPUs are one of their paths there. China has pledged to invest $150 billion into the semiconductor industry. https://www.forbes.com/sites/inside...-soon-be-the-worlds-tech-leader/#2e0a8116fb40

AMD has good products, but terrible pricing (for stock holders). They have lots to gain but just as much to lose if China comes in as the low price option. Where does AMD fit in the picture if customers no longer see AMD as the low-priced underdog when China is now the low priced underdog? So, AMD stock is a very big gamble for me. AMD stock could do quite well if AMD can place themselves as a premium brand with premium prices. Or AMD could crash and burn if it continues to compete on price while China always can undercut them on price.

I admit that I was wrong to say to avoid Intel 6 months ago. Intel has been moving away from their core CPU business and is diversifying into many other areas (cloud, communications, internet of things, artificial intelligence, programmable solutions, non-volatile memory, FPGA, etc). Those non-CPU items are doing quite well for Intel (these subgroups combined are larger than all of AMD) and likely will stay doing quite well for the forseeable future.
With China, I see big resistance to adopt things from them due to security. Already phones by Chinese companies are suspect.
Apple had their own CPU hardware and gave up on it to focus on other areas. The Macs aren't of much of a concern for them so I don't see them standing up CPU design again.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Sell. ....now.

So tell me why I should. Why will Apple earnings disappoint?


So far, it's only companies that have dubious reports like GOOG and INTC that sell of after earnings. I don't buy the "market is selling good earnings" BS that some pundits are pitching these days. You can always find a reason why those companies sold off.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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So tell me why I should. Why will Apple earnings disappoint?


So far, it's only companies that have dubious reports like GOOG and INTC that sell of after earnings. I don't buy the "market is selling good earnings" BS that some pundits are pitching these days. You can always find a reason why those companies sold off.

I doesnt matter even if every employee at Apple is shting golden eggs. You wont get nothing more than a pop, and a brief one at that. Probably gone in a week.

Why? Look at what happened to "amazing" Amazon. Best quarter in its history and they all took the money and ran.
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
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By definition, purchasing a call is being long. Prove me wrong.

In all of my years of dealing with the market I don't recall ever hearing somebody refer to a weekly option as a long play. To me long means a plan to hold something indefinitely.

But that's fine. I don't care. You call it long, maestro.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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I doesnt matter even if every employee at Apple is shting golden eggs. You wont get nothing more than a pop, and a brief one at that. Probably gone in a week.

Why? Look at what happened to "amazing" Amazon. Best quarter in its history and they all took the money and ran.


Amazon has insane P/E and is very overvalued. Amazon pays no dividend. Amazon has no real products to speak of besides its platform. Amazon could easily be replaced by any other internet marketplace (examples: Alibaba, Baozun).


Apple is completely unique in this space and is undervalued with a forward P/E under 15. I think you are reading into this amazon report something that isn't there.

Also... everybody expected amazon to beat. There have been nothing but bearish articles on Apple and there was really no run up after their last (excellent) earnings report. They are due for a pop already and it hasn't happened.


I think you are wrong but we'll see. I will admit it's very possible I'm wrong here but I think Apple will pop. I've called AMD and INTC's earnings reports correctly (going long on AMD and short on INTC) and I think I know what I'm doing with AAPL.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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The key to playing earnings is to be a contrarian.


Whatever big money wants you to think will happen, is probably what will not happen. This holds true except when big money is wrong. Such examples are: AMD and INTC reports. In both cases big money was wrong.


AAPL is very manipulated by big money. Big money wants you to think they will crash after earnings. So the question becomes: What does big money think will actually happen and are they correct?


This is pretty easy with AAPL because they are so reliable and conservative in their earnings predictions. You can bet that big money thinks they will beat and that they will, in fact, beat earnings. So go long and prosper.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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Damn. I really got CMG wrong. Those are biblical returns for holding a stock.


What were your other ideas again? lol
Tbh I was pretty stupid to hate on CMG considering I still eat there once a week. It's good, cheap, healthy food and I realize it's statistically unlikely for me to get e-coli. That said, they definitely seem less crowded than they were at one point in time.

Since you're nice enough to ask, I figured I would give you my amazing insight into my one (decent) 20% gain pick...

Clarification: I'm no investor. I don't have the time of day to read into earnings reports in the slightest... I work for an accounting firm 50+ hours a week, and often travel all week to get to where I need to work. When I get home, I have a kid to deal with. That said I generally just look at a few things:


1. How is the industry doing as a whole? In the case of CMG, they are in the middle of "fast food" and "sit down"... It's a nice place, because it puts you above McDonalds - and I also find it better than shit like Chili's. Food industry is hit or miss though, it's hard to succeed as a little guy, but in the case of CMG I thought they had a great market that is pretty well established on their part

2. I FUCKING LOVE when the stupid american stock market over-reacts. Not just the stock market, but people in general are GREAT at over-reacting. People getting butt-hurt over shit as stupid as Amazon partnering with a local restaurant called "Yellow Fever" and claiming it's wacist. (see: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...there-are-two-problems-with-that-critics-say/) If that is enough to bring down a stock value significantly - you're simply retarded to boot. If a tweet brings your stock down, you're a fool. Words != Actions. Same goes for Chipotle, I love going there, and even through all the bad publicity the place was still packed as I expected. Not surprising.

I love America, but the American public is fucking retarded. The concept of boycotting is just simply not believable and never happens. Ever. Great example is with the kids on gun reform - I'm all for gun reform, but everytime they state they are going to boycott X company that is running advertisements for Y Fox news person I just roll my eyes. They won't change a single thing.

3. I look at the stock price over the 5+ year spectrum - and I love 50% nose dives for an established company. Because there are 2 possibilities at that point... Either they will flip and do a complete 180 and get back to where they were (and further) - or they will fall off the map and file for bankruptcy and dissolve (Toys R' Us). I knew Chipotle wasn't going to fall. My main thing is I looked at this graph, and I said this is heavily undervalued:



I'm not here to advocate for anything - I'm no expert (obviously). Just my 2 cents. Please ensue me with criticism and feedback, because the only thing that can ever happen is that I learn
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
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Welp, sold about $70000 worth of puts and calls today. We'll see how it works out.

STX 5/04 puts, split between 51 and 53
MU 10/19 calls at 55
EPD 12/21 calls at 28
 

DietDrThunder

Platinum Member
Apr 6, 2001
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I don't understand why Disney (DIS) stock isn't performing better than it is. They are raking it in on all of their MCU and Star Wars blockbusters. Are ESPN and ABC a huge drain on revenues? Maybe someone can give me insight.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Picked up a few AAPL June 15 175 Calls today for 2.56 each. Had 18% at close but decided to hold for 300%. Looks like it payed off...as long as these after hours highs stay tomorrow morning.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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I had to cover my intel short because there was so much bullish movement today. Barely got out with 10% gains. Disappointing.


will look for a re-entry point above $53 SP
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Welp, sold about $70000 worth of puts and calls today. We'll see how it works out.

STX 5/04 puts, split between 51 and 53
MU 10/19 calls at 55
EPD 12/21 calls at 28

I hope you sold those MU calls and didn't buy them. If you listen to the AAPL earnings report Tim Cook calls the top on the memory market. MU is headed below $40
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Sell. ....now.

You give bad trading advice.


By the way, I am now 3 for 3 on calling earnings reports. If you had followed my AMD trade, you made 10%. If you shorted intel with puts before or after earnings, you made 20%. If you followed me on AAPL you will now make 15% over the next month.


AAPL is unstoppable. AAPL is making me rich.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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You give bad trading advice.


By the way, I am now 3 for 3 on calling earnings reports. If you had followed my AMD trade, you made 10%. If you shorted intel with puts before or after earnings, you made 20%. If you followed me on AAPL you will now make 15% over the next month.


AAPL is unstoppable. AAPL is making me rich.

Apple may very well close lower as soon as Thursday. Also my magic 8-ball says short the entire stock market.
 
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FIVR

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Jun 1, 2016
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Apple may very well close lower as soon as Thursday. Also my magic 8-ball says short the entire stock market.


Apple just announced they are buying back $100B of their own stock and they are raising the dividend. Nobody is going to "take profit" at 175 when they know that $100B is going straight into Apple over the next quarter. So you are betting on the whole stock market to crash by the end of the week in order for your prophecy to come true.


If you actually knew when the whole stock market would crash you could become a millionaire overnight. Somehow I doubt that is the case.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Apple just announced they are buying back $100B of their own stock and they are raising the dividend. Nobody is going to "take profit" at 175 when they know that $100B is going straight into Apple over the next quarter. So you are betting on the whole stock market to crash by the end of the week in order for your prophecy to come true.


If you actually knew when the whole stock market would crash you could become a millionaire overnight. Somehow I doubt that is the case.

You have indeed made some really good calls / picks.

But I am not saying the market will "crash" by Friday. I just think it will go nowhere to lower until the Fed stops raising rates and long bond starts to settle. We are still off the 52 week market highs trying to stay above water for the year.


ps. My Oasis Oil has rallied nicely lately from a low of $7 to $11+.
 

KB

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I don't understand why Disney (DIS) stock isn't performing better than it is. They are raking it in on all of their MCU and Star Wars blockbusters. Are ESPN and ABC a huge drain on revenues? Maybe someone can give me insight.

I have wondered the same as the company is printing money in the film section and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Their theme parks keep raising prices, yet people still come. I can only speculate its poor performance comes from a few things:
1. The company isn't cheap from a P/E perspective. It had such a run-up in the past 5 years and now its catching up with it.
2. In the short term stocks are a popularity contest and ESPN is the ugly friend that isn't making DIS popular.
3. The company is stingy. They aren't buying back shares and they pay a low dividend only twice a year, not four times a year like most.
4. They are killing it in movies, but there is a lot of competition in the TV content market and fear that cord-cutting will hurt revenue.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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Sold half my AAPL 175s at 5.30 to take profit and eliminate my cost basis. Of course it immediately rallies after I sell. Oh well now I have a bunch of free AAPL 175 calls....
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
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Let the drum roll begin. Did FIVR's confident prediction come true? What happens when we "watch an' learn" his techniques?
AMD is a steal while INTC is an overvalued pig of a stock that can't get out of its own way. Watch an learn - AMD will be $20 in less than 6 months while INTC will be back in the 30s if they're lucky.
Actual result 6 months later:
AMD is currently at $11.03 (up 2.0% from ~$10.81 his posting price, but far from his $20 prediction). Even if we give FIVR the maximum closing price in any of those 6 months, it was $13.74.

INTC is currently at $52.67 (up 13.2% from ~$46.54 his posting price, and far from his $30s prediction). Even if we give FIVR the minimum closing price in any of those 6 months, it was $42.50.
 

FIVR

Diamond Member
Jun 1, 2016
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You have indeed made some really good calls / picks.

But I am not saying the market will "crash" by Friday. I just think it will go nowhere to lower until the Fed stops raising rates and long bond starts to settle. We are still off the 52 week market highs trying to stay above water for the year.


ps. My Oasis Oil has rallied nicely lately from a low of $7 to $11+.

I think the market is range bound for the foreseeable future. Select stocks (such as AAPL) will rally or sell off below that range but for the most part I wouldn't bet on the market trading anywhere below 2600 or above 2700 on the index.

I think AAPL rallies to 185 over the next few weeks even as the market trades sideways. That is my prediction.
 
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