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ultimatebob

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What do you think of Amazon and their P/E?

Amazon has a P/E ratio of 94 right now. Tesla has a P/E ratio of: 1,326.

But, hey... at least it's profitable. It could be worse, some of the stocks that are running up fast like Snowflake aren't even profitable yet.
 

ponyo

Lifer
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Amazon has a P/E ratio of 94 right now. Tesla has a P/E ratio of: 1,326.

But, hey... at least it's profitable. It could be worse, some of the stocks that are running up fast like Snowflake aren't even profitable yet.
Is this how you invest? You look at P/E and buy stocks based on that? Where are we? In kindergarten?

Skate to where the puck is going. Not where it has been. TSLA has far more reasonable P/E than Amazon.
 
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dasherHampton

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I sold some BABA puts.... for THIS Jan, not 2022 lol.

Sold some 210s for 1/8 and some 200s for 1/15.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
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Is this how you invest? You look at P/E and buy stocks based on that? Where are we? In kindergarten?

Skate to where the puck is going. Not where it has been. TSLA has far more reasonable P/E than Amazon.

Don't underestimate the mighty Zon. It still has a bunch of growth potential with AWS, and with nationwide/worldwide online grocery delivery. They didn't buy Whole Foods just because Jeff Bezos is a fan of their organic chicken.
 

ponyo

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Don't underestimate the mighty Zon. It still has a bunch of growth potential with AWS, and with nationwide/worldwide online grocery delivery. They didn't buy Whole Foods just because Jeff Bezos is a fan of their organic chicken.
The reason I bring up Amazon is because I listened to all the naysayers who said Amazon would always lose money. The more Amazon sells, the more money Amazon will lose. People used to say that all the time about Amazon. I knew Amazon was kicking butt and would take over internet retail. But instead of doing my own homework and research when Bezos was plowing all the cashflow money back into the business to grow the warehouse and logistics, I took the lazy route like you and just read the mainstream media FUD stories about how Amazon wasn't really making any meaningful money and how the more Amazon sells, the more money they would lose. I let all the retarded Amazon bears do my thinking for me by reading all the biased and wrong analysis of Amazon. So I missed one of the greatest internet/retail stock stories of our generation. This is why I did my homework on Tesla. I wasn't and didn't want to make the same mistake with Tesla. And when I researched Tesla, I realized people were making the same dumb mistake with Tesla as they did with Amazon. It was unreal.

Since you're such a fan of P/E and use that solely to determine if to buy the stock, let me share with you what Amazon P/E was once. Did you know back in 3rd quarter of 2012, Amazon had P/E of 3,633? This was when Amazon stock price was $254. Now imagine @ultimatebob saw AMZN with 3,633 P/E and said to himself, Amazon is so overvalued and the bubble will burst! I know because I'm so smart and only look at P/E because that tells me everything about the stock and if it's overvalued or not. Imagine ultimatebob's complete shock when Amazon goes on one of the greatest run in the next 8 years and now is trading at $3,300. But now Amazon only has P/E of 96 so ultimatebob thinks Amazon is such a bargain because P/E is so low now. The only thing is he missed out on massive $3,050 a share move up on Amazon because he couldn't wrap his head around 3,633 P/E Amazon had in 2012.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
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The reason I bring up Amazon is because I listened to all the naysayers who said Amazon would always lose money. The more Amazon sells, the more money Amazon will lose. People used to say that all the time about Amazon. I knew Amazon was kicking butt and would take over internet retail. But instead of doing my own homework and research when Bezos was plowing all the cashflow money back into the business to grow the warehouse and logistics, I took the lazy route like you and just read the mainstream media FUD stories about how Amazon wasn't really making any meaningful money and how the more Amazon sells, the more money they would lose. I let all the retarded Amazon bears do my thinking for me by reading all the biased and wrong analysis of Amazon. So I missed one of the greatest internet/retail stock stories of our generation. This is why I did my homework on Tesla. I wasn't and didn't want to make the same mistake with Tesla. And when I researched Tesla, I realized people were making the same dumb mistake with Tesla as they did with Amazon. It was unreal.

Since you're such a fan of P/E and use that solely to determine if to buy the stock, let me share with you what Amazon P/E was once. Did you know back in 3rd quarter of 2012, Amazon had P/E of 3,633? This was when Amazon stock price was $254. Now imagine @ultimatebob saw AMZN with 3,633 P/E and said to himself, Amazon is so overvalued and the bubble will burst! I know because I'm so smart and only look at P/E because that tells me everything about the stock and if it's overvalued or not. Imagine ultimatebob's complete shock when Amazon goes on one of the greatest run in the next 8 years and now is trading at $3,300. But now Amazon only has P/E of 96 so ultimatebob thinks Amazon is such a bargain because P/E is so low now. The only thing is he missed out on massive $3,050 a share move up on Amazon because he couldn't wrap his head around 3,633 P/E Amazon had in 2012.

I think that the difference is that I could look back at Amazon in 2012 and figure out where the growth was going to come from. With Tesla, I'm not quite so sure. They need a mass market $30,000 electric car (A REAL $30,000 electric car, not a $45,000 electric car pretending to be a $35,000 electric car like the Model 3) to achieve the massive growth that's already factored into the stock. They haven't announced that product yet. Without it, they're just a niche car company for rich people like BMW or Jaguar with a profitable battery making side business.
 

FelixDeCat

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The ironic thing is I avoid Amazon like the plague and would never buy an EV if given the choice.

Amazon is overpriced compared to Ebay (where I have shopped since 2000), and I don't want to hassle with charging a car or worry about a dead batt when I can just go to the gas station and be good for almost 2 weeks.

Anyway I think Netflix has been the single greatest investment in American history...which I did not invest in, just traded.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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The ironic thing is I avoid Amazon like the plague and would never buy an EV if given the choice.

Amazon is overpriced compared to Ebay (where I have shopped since 2000), and I don't want to hassle with charging a car or worry about a dead batt when I can just go to the gas station and be good for almost 2 weeks.

Anyway I think Netflix has been the single greatest investment in American history...which I did not invest in, just traded.

From what I read, Amazon makes a lot and I mean a lot of money from the cloud/AWS and other services than selling stuffs but you can't argue its stock is going up and up and Bezos is one stinking rich dude.

I will wait a few more years for EV to mature more.
 
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ponyo

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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Good luck everyone in 2021. I will check in occasionally but it's time I retire.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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From what I read, Amazon makes a lot and I mean a lot of money from the cloud/AWS and other services than selling stuffs but you can't argue its stock is going up and up and Bezos is one stinking rich dude.

I will wait a few more years for EV to mature more.

I need to correct my last post - Apple is the father, mother, brother and sister of the modern American stock market. Nothing has surpassed it return wise.

Also Google has free cash flow of some absurd number last time I checked, something like $100M per day, yet it trails other Fang stocks in returns.
 
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From what I read, Amazon makes a lot and I mean a lot of money from the cloud/AWS and other services than selling stuffs but you can't argue its stock is going up and up and Bezos is one stinking rich dude.

I will wait a few more years for EV to mature more.

My company sells complex SaaS solutions for clients - in the past year we scrapped our in-house cloud and migrated to AWS.

So yeah, AWS is a big deal.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Bitch, you owe us those Tesla booty shorts pic. You can't leave until you post those

I would prefer some hot market tips such as what those kids at Reddit are putting money into. I dont bother to go there since there is so much chaff and not enough wheat. But if he wants to sort it all out and report back - I wont stop him.
 

Svnla

Lifer
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Don't underestimate the mighty Zon. It still has a bunch of growth potential with AWS, and with nationwide/worldwide online grocery delivery. They didn't buy Whole Foods just because Jeff Bezos is a fan of their organic chicken.

Speaking of Whole Check..oooppp..Whole Foods, I was there recently the first time to check it out and I was not impressed. The prices were high of course but the quality of the goods were not worth for the prices that they charge imo. They even sold spices that were made in commie china. Come on now.

I haven't back since. Can any of the WF fans tell me what to buy or why you like WF?
 

LordNoob

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Speaking of Whole Check..oooppp..Whole Foods, I was there recently the first time to check it out and I was not impressed. The prices were high of course but the quality of the goods were not worth for the prices that they charge imo. They even sold spices that were made in commie china. Come on now.

I haven't back since. Can any of the WF fans tell me what to buy or why you like WF?
Of course this is completely anecdotal but I stopped shopping at whole foods shortly after the Amazon acquisition because the quality went down. Specifically the produce and other non-packaged goods.
 

woodman1999

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Of course this is completely anecdotal but I stopped shopping at whole foods shortly after the Amazon acquisition because the quality went down. Specifically the produce and other non-packaged goods.
Agreed. After Amazon purchased it they tore the guts out of the meat department and essentially removed any prime meat offerings. Produce has also taken a tumble. Those were the two main things to get there, but now I don't even bother going unless I get a GC.
 

woodman1999

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Just had my TEVA ADRs called away from me this morning. Wonder what I am going to get for them
 

dasherHampton

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What did you do exactly? Did you sell calls on your existing TEVA holdings?

There seems to be a resolution in sight for BABA. I'm glad because I got a little frisky with the puts I sold.
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
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My company sells complex SaaS solutions for clients - in the past year we scrapped our in-house cloud and migrated to AWS.

So yeah, AWS is a big deal.

Yeah, it seems like everyone is migrating to AWS and Azure this year. I think that Covid reminded IT managers that having on-prem servers is a pain in the ass when everyone is working remote.
 

woodman1999

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Sep 19, 2003
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What did you do exactly? Did you sell calls on your existing TEVA holdings?

There seems to be a resolution in sight for BABA. I'm glad because I got a little frisky with the puts I sold.

Absolutely nothing. I don't have the brain power to do options. As ponyo would say, I am a kindergartener when it comes to investing. Buy and hold only.

But this morning I got an email from Schwab:

"We're writing to let you know that the issuer is calling all of the outstanding security shown below. The issuer is paying holders an amount determined by the security's call schedule, plus any accrued interest."

There's more to it than that, but nothing important. These were just regular ADR's that I had purchased, so not sure what is going on.
 

njdevilsfan87

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Chase sent me a letter recently saying I need to start having $150K in my checking account (private client) else I'm going to be charged a $35/mo fee. There's no way I'm going to have $150K cash just sitting there doing nothing so they can earn interest off it while I miss out on gains elsewhere. I guess I'll downgrade back to standard checking.

I also wonder if this could be a sign that banks are starting to have difficulty in this economic environment with the low lending rates and or liquidity with everyone in equities?
 
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Chase sent me a letter recently saying I need to start having $150K in my checking account (private client) else I'm going to be charged a $35 fee. There's no way I'm going to have $150K cash just sitting there doing nothing so they can earn interest off it while I miss out on gains elsewhere. I guess I'll downgrade back to standard checking.

I wonder if this could be a sign that banks are starting to have difficulty with the low lending rates and or liquidity?

Check the wording. A lot of times those minimum amounts are based on ALL of your accounts with them (e.g. if you have an investment/retirement account, savings account + checking).

But yes, fuck Chase. Fuck big-box banks in general. Toss your money into high yield online-only banks like Discover Bank, Ally bank, etc.. preferably with a "join bonus" of $100+
 

dasherHampton

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To be honest I didn't know what Chase Private Client was so I looked it up.

Man, that's an account for ballers only. If you're not a world traveling high roller spending thousands a month I don't see any way you'd need that.
 
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