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Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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1,396
126
Mother grew up in Communist China, so I have exposure to anecdotal evidence and testimony on what really went down from the inside out.

Even small stories like when Shanghai passed laws banning livestock, she had to kill the pet chickens she had.

She was born in 1949. So her star was cursed at the beginning.

Didn't know about your background original from the mainland. Did she tell you about the Culture Revolution and them Red Guards and all the screwups (homemade steel/iron, killing of sparrows, etc.) from the CCP/Mao that million and million of ordinary Chinese suffered from those decisions for years?
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,299
2,097
126
Lol @ the P&N crowd trying to piss on my perfect point that taxing people for more than half their income is not a socialist utopia anyone wants.

This is America. We will remain capitalist and free despite Kamalas wishes otherwise.

And to prove it look at our beautiful stock market. So much wealth created despite nutty pretend free things that will cost more than half your income, NOT because of it.

I rest my case.
 
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Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
67,898
12,365
126
www.anyf.ca
Mother grew up in Communist China, so I have exposure to anecdotal evidence and testimony on what really went down from the inside out.

Even small stories like when Shanghai passed laws banning livestock, she had to kill the pet chickens she had.

She was born in 1949. So her star was cursed at the beginning.

That's the sort of stuff I really worry about eventually coming here when they implement agenda 2030, great reset etc. They basically want us to not own anything. "you will own nothing and be happy". It will basically be like communism, except it's predatory capitalism with some socialism thrown in as the government will ration everything for us. Only the big companies will be allowed to own things. There's not much official info on what these agendas will entail though, most of this is just based on people analyzing the hell out of it and trying to read between the lines. I just hope that they are wrong.

That said we're a bit off topic.

How about those GME stocks eh! To the moon and beyond!
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
35,589
29,292
136
Lol @ the P&N crowd trying to piss on my perfect point that taxing people for more than half their income is not a socialist utopia anyone wants.

This is America. We will remain capitalist and free despite Kamalas wishes otherwise.

And to prove it look at our beautiful stock market. So much wealth created despite nutty pretend free things that will cost more than half your income, NOT because of it.

I rest my case.
I'm sure you understand that any 55% tax bracket wouldn't affect anyone unless they were making millions, so your posturing is duly noted.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,299
2,097
126
I'm sure you understand that any 55% tax bracket wouldn't affect anyone unless they were making millions, so your posturing is duly noted.

I'm talking all income over $25000 a year. Free things are pretty expensive.

And I'm not so cold hearted to say we should *not* look out for the social welfare and pay taxes to do it but by and large we do a pretty good job already.

What more do people want?
 

dank69

Lifer
Oct 6, 2009
35,589
29,292
136
I'm talking all income over $25000 a year. Free things are pretty expensive.

And I'm not so cold hearted to say we should *not* look out for the social welfare and pay taxes to do it but by and large we do a pretty good job already.

What more do people want?
So, you're beating a straw man then? Who is proposing we tax everything over $25K at 55%?
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,211
3,622
126
Lol @ the P&N crowd trying to piss on my perfect point that taxing people for more than half their income is not a socialist utopia anyone wants.
a theory or system of social organization that advocates the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, capital, land, etc., by the community as a whole, usually through a centralized government.
In what way does a high tax rate control the means of production or control the means of distribution by the government? High tax rates still let private entities control what is produced, how much is produced, and how it is distributed. High taxes are about as opposite from socialism as you can get. Socialism can have no taxes at all: socialism just means the government tells companies what to produce and how to distribute the goods/services that are produced.

And like dak69 said, only FelixDeCat is proposing a 55% tax.
 

brianmanahan

Lifer
Sep 2, 2006
24,300
5,729
136
one thing i've always found strange

is that people who tend to reminisce about the 50s and 60s are usually the same people who complain about the tax rates we have now

maybe it's was because they were kids then and didn't know that tax rates were %50 for corporations and up to %70 for individuals
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
19,689
2,811
126
@ponyo is this you?

lol. You think I would buy Louis Vuitton over Hermes? LV would have to pay me to advertise their mass factory produced poor quality products. Louis Vuitton handbag is the only bag I ever had to return to the store because build quality was so bad. LV price have increased by huge percentage over the years while their quality have really gone downhill. It's seriously crap now. Chanel is pretty bad too but not as poor quality as LV. Neither LV or Chanel can touch Hermes craftsmanship or the quality of its leather. Hermes is understated luxury.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
30,967
8,688
136
And to prove it look at our beautiful stock market. So much wealth created despite nutty pretend free things that will cost more than half your income, NOT because of it.

Isn't the stock market pretty much a nutty pretend thing that makes free money?
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,135
2,445
126
Ya know, RBLX stock went up 50% today in their IPO. Probably not a bad investment... I'd imagine that a lot of kiddies will be getting Robux gift cards from their parents this year.
 

Torn Mind

Lifer
Nov 25, 2012
11,782
2,685
136
Didn't know about your background original from the mainland. Did she tell you about the Culture Revolution and them Red Guards and all the screwups from the CCP/Mao that million and million of ordinary Chinese suffered from those decisions for years?
I never lived in the mainland. My very existence is in part due to the Commies forcing an exodus for people like her. I'm a late 80s baby. My good-for-nothing-but-his-genes father, if he were still alive today, would be 87.
The Cultural Revolution resulted in her educational advancement being ended. I do not believe she ever was one of the Red Guard, but was rather solely victimized because the extended family was actually well-off and had a substantial land holding in Shanghai. That would be parceled up wholesale and original family would get only a small apartment. And the government charges rent to this day for that space

.

IIRC, my grandmother's sister(mom's aunt) was married to the tax collector of Shanghai in the old regime. Obviously, he bailed out of Shanghai as the there was a head on his target and ran off to Taiwan and got a new wife, leaving the ones in Shanghai behind. Not a really sympathetic guy, as he left his first wife out to dry after exile.

There was an internal argument within the family and apparently some neighbor snitched and basically detained the whole family. The pretense was listening to Western music. Her mother(My grandmother) and her sister(my aunt) were already in the hands of authorities when she came home. She went to the place of detention or somewhere, but because she wanted her mom to come home, they eventually detained her on the spot as well. It would be many months of being under watch. They only let her go because of health issues, as her belly ballooned up after a few months. The surveillance was non-stop 24/7. Not even when taking care of bathroom business did they cease watching.

The "music" you could be detained for would be to many of you, seemingly tame. Smuggling in Western goods was a thing, but the penalties were severe. Imagine my surprise when I bought Don Mclean's American Pie album solely for myself to hear the titular track again after 15 or so years and the she plays the CD and tells me she heard Starry, Starry Night way back when she was still in China. She also listened to Canadian Anne Murray. This is not what she would be listening to on radio; she actually tuned into country music station all the time when I was child.

For about the 20 years between her actual emigration and the start of the revolution, she said that she had tried to court a Japanese male to get out but he did not commit. She has made it clear that the conduct of the Japanese male infuriates her, and I believe that there is some justification and basis behind such an attitude.

When Nixon visited China in the 70s, the government issued instructions to the populace to say nothing was wrong about "our" conditions in China and it obviously was taken seriously as the government had the will to hunt down anyone who dared talk. The mode of operation for the government has not changed over time and if anything, technology has made it even easier to observe and intervene on the behalf of the government in charge.

Her landing here in the US is in part due to the large extended family having some immigrants already here. Namely, an uncle in New York would be her sponsor. She would work in a restaurant in Long Island for her brother or half-brother. Now, landing in the States is not some romantic happy ending. She would wind up dealing different forms of BS after landing here and marrying my dad.
The quick hitters for her post-States problems are:
lawyers sometimes do absolutely nothing even when you pay them.
Cops can outright deny something can happen if they feel you aren't a threat, via language barrier in her case. Sexual abuse, either by my dad or his son-in-law of my sister gets swept under the rug.
Putting your valuables in the same house as the husband means the husband can take them and give them to his favorite daughter from his previous marriage. The same with the money she herself made.
The state utilizes guardianship law for its own benefit. Namely to protect a nursing home from a lawsuit. And they tried to force my mom into a criminal plea bargain but my mom was acquitted in the jury trial. And there is no way that record would ever be expunged because they would let the state get away with it.




While the Communists there are on the whole, a totalitarian regime, there were a couple things that they were not entirely incorrect on. One spoken language is rather necessary for some degree of unity. To the outsider, the term Chinese implies a level of linguistic homogeneity that was simply not there between the provinces. The written language may be universal, but the so-called "dialects" are actually unintelligible langauges bound only by the written script. If you've dealt with a Spanish speaker who talks to you in English, but talks in Spanish with his buddies so you don't have a clue, that's exactly what happens when say, a Cantonese speaks with a Shanghaiese or any other language from a different province. The problem is there is active destruction of the local languages and cultural heritage to promote this "unity".

If there is a growing presence of Marxism anywhere, it usually means there are some actual problems the incumbents would be wise to tidy up by themselves before they actually takeover lest they turn into Cuba or China. Clean your room, or else they'll take a hammer to the drywall and utterly destroy it before "cleaning all of it up".
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,299
2,097
126
I never lived in the mainland. My very existence is in part due to the Commies forcing an exodus for people like her. I'm a late 80s baby. My good-for-nothing-but-his-genes father, if he were still alive today, would be 87.
The Cultural Revolution resulted in her educational advancement being ended. I do not believe she ever was one of the Red Guard, but was rather solely victimized because the extended family was actually well-off and had a substantial land holding in Shanghai. That would be parceled up wholesale and original family would get only a small apartment. And the government charges rent to this day for that space

.

IIRC, my grandmother's sister(mom's aunt) was married to the tax collector of Shanghai in the old regime. Obviously, he bailed out of Shanghai as the there was a head on his target and ran off to Taiwan and got a new wife, leaving the ones in Shanghai behind. Not a really sympathetic guy, as he left his first wife out to dry after exile.

There was an internal argument within the family and apparently some neighbor snitched and basically detained the whole family. The pretense was listening to Western music. Her mother(My grandmother) and her sister(my aunt) were already in the hands of authorities when she came home. She went to the place of detention or somewhere, but because she wanted her mom to come home, they eventually detained her on the spot as well. It would be many months of being under watch. They only let her go because of health issues, as her belly ballooned up after a few months. The surveillance was non-stop 24/7. Not even when taking care of bathroom business did they cease watching.

The "music" you could be detained for would be to many of you, seemingly tame. Smuggling in Western goods was a thing, but the penalties were severe. Imagine my surprise when I bought Don Mclean's American Pie album solely for myself to hear the titular track again after 15 or so years and the she plays the CD and tells me she heard Starry, Starry Night way back when she was still in China. She also listened to Canadian Anne Murray. This is not what she would be listening to on radio; she actually tuned into country music station all the time when I was child.

For about the 20 years between her actual emigration and the start of the revolution, she said that she had tried to court a Japanese male to get out but he did not commit. She has made it clear that the conduct of the Japanese male infuriates her, and I believe that there is some justification and basis behind such an attitude.

When Nixon visited China in the 70s, the government issued instructions to the populace to say nothing was wrong about "our" conditions in China and it obviously was taken seriously as the government had the will to hunt down anyone who dared talk. The mode of operation for the government has not changed over time and if anything, technology has made it even easier to observe and intervene on the behalf of the government in charge.

Her landing here in the US is in part due to the large extended family having some immigrants already here. Namely, an uncle in New York would be her sponsor. She would work in a restaurant in Long Island for her brother or half-brother. Now, landing in the States is not some romantic happy ending. She would wind up dealing different forms of BS after landing here and marrying my dad.
The quick hitters for her post-States problems are:
lawyers sometimes do absolutely nothing even when you pay them.
Cops can outright deny something can happen if they feel you aren't a threat, via language barrier in her case. Sexual abuse, either by my dad or his son-in-law of my sister gets swept under the rug.
Putting your valuables in the same house as the husband means the husband can take them and give them to his favorite daughter from his previous marriage. The same with the money she herself made.
The state utilizes guardianship law for its own benefit. Namely to protect a nursing home from a lawsuit. And they tried to force my mom into a criminal plea bargain but my mom was acquitted in the jury trial. And there is no way that record would ever be expunged because they would let the state get away with it.




While the Communists there are on the whole, a totalitarian regime, there were a couple things that they were not entirely incorrect on. One spoken language is rather necessary for some degree of unity. To the outsider, the term Chinese implies a level of linguistic homogeneity that was simply not there between the provinces. The written language may be universal, but the so-called "dialects" are actually unintelligible langauges bound only by the written script. If you've dealt with a Spanish speaker who talks to you in English, but talks in Spanish with his buddies so you don't have a clue, that's exactly what happens when say, a Cantonese speaks with a Shanghaiese or any other language from a different province. The problem is there is active destruction of the local languages and cultural heritage to promote this "unity".

If there is a growing presence of Marxism anywhere, it usually means there are some actual problems the incumbents would be wise to tidy up by themselves before they actually takeover lest they turn into Cuba or China. Clean your room, or else they'll take a hammer to the drywall and utterly destroy it before "cleaning all of it up".

Good post.

If you watch some videos of people who were not born in China and attempted to live there, many have fled as tolerance for non Chinese is going towards zero. One of the most famous is serpentza. He stated that if you were not born there, you will never be allowed citizenship.

Yet despite the rest of world having to constantly deal with people's myriad sensitivities and our reactions and overreactions to them, China gets away with pretty much everything.

That is starting to change however. So far Biden is not letting up.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
29,557
146
Lol @ the P&N crowd trying to piss on my perfect point that taxing people for more than half their income is not a socialist utopia anyone wants.

This is America. We will remain capitalist and free despite Kamalas wishes otherwise.

And to prove it look at our beautiful stock market. So much wealth created despite nutty pretend free things that will cost more than half your income, NOT because of it.

I rest my case.

no, it's a bullshit point because literally no one is asking for that. IT isn't even a point because it is a fantasy. It isn't part of any actual discussion.

no one.

why are you fucking lying? People don't like liars (unless you are a republican, but then that makes you an anti-American minority in this country.)

I don't tolerate blatant lying like this. You shouldn't either. I wont' stop reminding everyone that you are lying when you say things like this. You should maybe consider that your "sources of information" are pure bullshit, meant to sculpt you into a brainless bi-valve.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
110,806
29,557
146
I'm talking all income over $25000 a year. Free things are pretty expensive.

And I'm not so cold hearted to say we should *not* look out for the social welfare and pay taxes to do it but by and large we do a pretty good job already.

What more do people want?

Why are you not angry that, today, you are literally worth about 70% less of what you would have been had you not voted for Reagan and championed the Republican-orchestrated wealth-theft of the nation over the last 4 decades?

That is where you are, and you welcome more of it. Why do you support wealth redistribution to the criminally, lazy, untalented, useless, inherited wealthy of the country? That is what your vote goes to and what your messaging supports.

Why do you continue to defend the generational theft of your wealth and my wealth and everyone else's? Why do you enjoy repeatedly taking it up the ass to the tune of 70% less wealth in your pocket, today? Why do you enjoy that? Why do you only ever make terrible garbage fantasy "points" that serve only as a salve for the subconscious, self-hate that you must feel for subsidizing the theft of a nation in order to fund the growing fascism of the false, golden idol that is your political party?
 

ultimatebob

Lifer
Jul 1, 2001
25,135
2,445
126
I wish this was still a stock market thread.

It still is... if you mute the zinfamous and FelixDeCat posts. Please don't make me do that, guys.

But, seriously, is DDOG going to make a comeback, or should I dump that sucker? It's down big on some recent analyst downgrades. I can't decide if I should dump it or buy more. At this point, it probably needs to get big by swallowing its competitors, or it will get bought up itself by a tech giant like Microsoft or Google.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,299
2,097
126
I wish this was still a stock market thread.

Got any good recommendations? Im all ears!

Edit: When I make any suggestions Im also trying to point out any flaws with the particular stock. I think it's good to be aware of both positives and negatives before making a choice to buy or sell.

There is always the unknown of course so you have to keep that in mind as well. So it's good to try and see a bigger picture of what might be ahead.

For the next few years the biggest risks are rising rates, tax increases and new regulations on certain sectors.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,299
2,097
126
In other news, I made a little money flipping Workhorse WKHS stock from $15 to $15.50 late in the day. I was too busy at work to fool with the market, but I was thinking of Workhorse all weekend.

If you have been following the stock, they were in a multiyear bid for the $4 billion dollar USPS upgrade program which was recently awarded to OshKosh. The irony is Joe Biden recently pronounced that the eventually all government vehicles will be electrified however OshKosh will only provide a small percent of pure EVs and the rest will be gasoline powered.

WKHS has hired lawyers and consultants in a long shot bid to challenge the loss to OSK.

Today WKHS rallied on renewed attempts to make all USPS vehicles EVs: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/big-trade-oshkosh-shares-postal-010141205.html

I do not know if that effort will bear any fruit, but the mere fact that something might change caused WKHS to rally.

Im not saying WKHS is a buy on renewed efforts by some lawmakers to review the win to OSK, but the story might be worth watching. It may take years for this to unfold and the stock could be dead money for some time to come.

Also OSK might simply amend the new contract and provide 100% EVs for delivery which might exclude WKHS from gaining anything from this effort.

WKHS slowly climbing. Long 1500.
 
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