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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Sure! Just know ahead of time which stocks are going to rise rapidly, at what time in the day they are going to do that, and just buy them at the lowest point that day!
Also make sure to sell it at the highest point. If you sell after that the price will go down and you won't make as much money.
 
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PlanetJosh

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Which broker are you using? Sounds like an execution problem. Also sounds like potentially you're using market orders when you probably want to use a limit order.
Haven't tried any limit orders yet so it's about time I study it. Just doing market orders so far while watching the screen constantly. JP Morgan is my broker with Chase bank and the orders are done very quickly in seconds. Not the minutes it can take just to get a confirmation with Wells Fargo Advisors brokerage which I stopped using last year.
 

PlanetJosh

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Also make sure to sell it at the highest point. If you sell after that the price will go down and you won't make as much money.
Exactly, I look to see if the stock has gone up and down at least once when I day trade. And if it goes back up and down a second or third time then I buy at the down because it will probably go back up before the end of the day. Because of the pattern, you can't miss. edit - And if the company makes stuff and sells some stuff then it's even more of a sure thing. Works wonderfully, don't know why I posted about doubting myself.
 
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Tweak155

Lifer
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Haven't tried any limit orders yet so it's about time I study it. Just doing market orders so far while watching the screen constantly. JP Morgan is my broker with Chase bank and the orders are done very quickly in seconds. Not the minutes it can take just to get a confirmation with Wells Fargo Advisors brokerage which I stopped using last year.
Ah ok. A limit order will allow you to specify a max price you're willing to pay, whereas a market order will grab whatever price is available.
 

repoman0

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Exactly, I look to see if the stock has gone up and down at least once when I day trade. And if it goes back up and down a second or third time then I buy at the down because it will probably go back up before the end of the day. Because of the pattern, you can't miss. edit - And if the company makes stuff and sells some stuff then it's even more of a sure thing. Works wonderfully, don't know why I posted about doubting myself.

This is a case study in why index funds work better for most people.
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
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So Yellen FINALLY admits rates will need to start going up to keep excessive and rampant inflation under control.

Cue the market correction everyone was waiting for.
 

PlanetJosh

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Today there were chances to make decent money in day trading. Like AMC went up 20 cents in less than 3 hours in midday starting at a dip at around 1pm est. And before the close at 4pm it was up well over $0.20/share. Right here in the chart of it on Google Finance:

Yeah it takes a tidy sum of money to buy enough shares to make several hundred dollars on it during that 3 hours I mentioned. But some on the forum can afford it. I didn't buy the 4000 shares I planned to because I couldn't predict the DOW would make such a big comeback today which probably caused AMC to rise as it did in the afternoon. Didn't buy any shares of any company today.

Edit: So it's basically a sour grapes post, nothing ventured nothing gained. But I swear I'm going to sit in this chair until I get it right again in this day trading thing in reddit stocks or any stocks.
 
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PlanetJosh

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This is a case study in why index funds work better for most people.
Right, and my day trading buys are a small part of what I own. And you knew I was being sarcastic with my pattern buying post right? Was just a joke and it rarely ever happens that way of course.

Anyway on a serious note my Franklin income fund pays over 4.5% a year after fees. And it also did well in growth gaining 25% in stock price in the last 12 months. (FKIQX). And up about 7% for its lifetime of a little over 2 and half years. Edit: But the investor needs to be comfortable with a mutual fund at such a low price, $2.48 per share. Doesn't bother me anymore, it seems to have a good record from research.
 
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FelixDeCat

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"Excessive and rampant"? Is it above 2% yet? Isn't that the target?

This has been discussed several times in this thread. New cars, used cars, rent cars, guns, ammunition, 4k televisions, brand new homes (if you can find an affordable one on average income), wood, nails, labor, glue, paint, gasoline, food, etc., etc., have all gone up well more than "2%". Have you checked prices in a while?

Lumber up 400% in one year -


2% inflation is a myth when you have the Fed holding at ZERO percent, $8 TRILLION DOLLARS of borrowed money disbursed into the economy for "stimulus" and proposed infrastructure going back to 2020.

The sad thing is that by the end of the day Yellen was forced by (what was likely) pressure from people who are invested in the 2% myth like the Fed itself, call option holders, etc to walk back her comments.

Several companies have recently announced inflation is spiraling and will need to increases prices to keep up with supply costs, including Warren Buffet himself!

So who are you going to believe? The clowns at the Fed who are pretending to "see no inflation, hear no inflation" or Warren Buffet, Proctor and Gamble, Kimberly Clark, General Mills, Hormel, Lennox International, etc., who are all raises prices due to inflation?
 
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zinfamous

No Lifer
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This has been discussed several times in this thread. New cars, used cars, rent cars, guns, ammunition, 4k televisions, brand new homes (if you can find an affordable one on average income), wood, nails, labor, glue, paint, gasoline, food, etc., etc., have all gone up well more than "2%". Have you checked prices in a while?

Lumber up 400% in one year -


2% inflation is a myth when you have the Fed holding at ZERO percent, $8 TRILLION DOLLARS of borrowed money disbursed into the economy for "stimulus" and proposed infrastructure going back to 2020.

The sad thing is that by the end of the day Yellen was forced by (what was likely) pressure from people who are invested in the 2% myth like the Fed itself, call option holders, etc to walk back her comments.

Several companies have recently announced inflation is spiraling and will need to increases prices to keep up with supply costs, including Warren Buffet himself!

So who are you going to believe? The clowns at the Fed who are pretending to "see no inflation, hear no inflation" or Warren Buffet, Proctor and Gamble, Kimberly Clark, General Mills, Hormel, Lennox International, etc., who are all raises prices due to inflation?

You realize that the prices of those things you mention are a specific aberration that don't reflect the economy as a whole (so, real inflation), but a pandemic-related temporary adjustment because the long-stable supply for those was crushed by a relatively brief switch in general human behavior. These aren't permanent, inflation-related prices.

What happens when, like toilet paper and other supply-adjusted items affected by the same event and later re-adjusted to their actual price, return to normal? Do you change your position or move the goalposts to some other nonsense argument about why "Inflation bad! The billionaires told me so!"
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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You realize that the prices of those things you mention are a specific aberration that don't reflect the economy as a whole (so, real inflation), but a pandemic-related temporary adjustment because the long-stable supply for those was crushed by a relatively brief switch in general human behavior. These aren't permanent, inflation-related prices.

What happens when, like toilet paper and other supply-adjusted items affected by the same event and later re-adjusted to their actual price, return to normal? Do you change your position or move the goalposts to some other nonsense argument about why "Inflation bad! The billionaires told me so!"

Might not be temporary. I've definitely noticed food price increases... oil is above 65 now and most people haven't even gone back to the office yet.

The Fed obviously can't raise rates so I don't know what they will do if things start to really get out of control.
 

Svnla

Lifer
Nov 10, 2003
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My Vanguard account is down several thousands this month alone. Full speed ahead for at least another decade or more.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Might not be temporary. I've definitely noticed food price increases... oil is above 65 now and most people haven't even gone back to the office yet.

The Fed obviously can't raise rates so I don't know what they will do if things start to really get out of control.

Right. But a sudden 30%-300% increases is not inflation. That's absurd. There is simply a shit-ton of demand because the normal supply network for these things has been strained due to strange, temporary fluctuation in human behavior. Supply adjusts. Of course, when things settle and prices don't return to normal, say like, 3-4% or even 10% above what they were, pre-demand, we're going to get even more crowing about it....even though that is probably "real inflation."

We're at ~0% inflation for how long now? 12 years? Even 4% inflation is healthy and necessary right now. Hell, we've got a massive deficit in years gains of inflation, so I do agree that it probably won't return to a single year price increase, it will probably be much more than that, with a good bit of it already baked into these current price increases--I just don't see that the majority of the costs can be attributed to inflation.

Oil is also roughly half the price of what it was in recent years when we had huge supply shortages, but I guess people have really short memories. Remember c. 2008 when it got up to $110 or whatever that was? I don't really understand this concern right now. Oil is a cartel-determined commodity price. It's not really a cost that the economy influences--it's one that determines costs in the economy.
 

Train

Lifer
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You realize that the prices of those things you mention are a specific aberration that don't reflect the economy as a whole (so, real inflation)
ehhh, he didn't exactly give a short list of niche things.

Can you give a list of things that haven't increased more than 2% ? I honestly have a hard time, nothing I buy has gotten cheaper or stayed the same.
 

herm0016

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i dont know how you can deny inflation at this point, even the fed is giving in and saying its happening. not a bad thing though. a bit of inflation is good.
 

Roger Wilco

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Mar 20, 2017
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I bought COIN at $340 and it is now trading at $255 (I plan to hold for the long term regardless). I'm looking forward to the part where the NASDAQ and crypto get on the same page.

Ironically, despite the massive loss, gains on my actual crypto easily exceed COIN losses.
 

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
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Oil is also roughly half the price of what it was in recent years when we had huge supply shortages, but I guess people have really short memories.

The point is that it's probably going to be a lot higher once people go back to the office and gas demand picks up.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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ehhh, he didn't exactly give a short list of niche things.

Can you give a list of things that haven't increased more than 2% ? I honestly have a hard time, nothing I buy has gotten cheaper or stayed the same.

The only thing that hasnt increased more than 2% is Fed's interest in admitting they are wrong in continuing emergency monetary policy of zero rates and buying $120 billion per month in bonds to suppress interest rates.

We are no longer in an emergency. It is time to normalize. Unfortunately the Fed as long abandoned its role of doing whatever is necessary to maintain naturally working markets.

A have mentioned this a bazillion times in these market threads year after year -

Not that long ago, even as recently as the early 2000s, the Fed would raise rates on a whim and do it swiftly with little warning. They would jack up rates .75 to over 1% in a day and send the stock market into freefall for a few days. It kept markets healthy and excessive speculation / bubbles in the stocks, real estate, etc in check. They even helped to curb growth in government spending because rate increases would cause the US Treasury to have to pay 10s of billions more in interest, setting off alarm bells in government!

Of course back then a 30 year mortgage was 7-10%. Now we are such pussies and crybabies we can no longer handle a REAL FEDERAL RESERVE. Back in the early 1980s, the Fed jacked up rates to nearly 20% to help tame inflation. You will likely never see that again.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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ehhh, he didn't exactly give a short list of niche things.

Can you give a list of things that haven't increased more than 2% ? I honestly have a hard time, nothing I buy has gotten cheaper or stayed the same.


i dont know how you can deny inflation at this point, even the fed is giving in and saying its happening. not a bad thing though. a bit of inflation is good.

Right. I don't think anyone is saying that inflation isn't happening. We are, what,10 or 12 years behind the curve? The point is that 30-300% isn't inflation. There is some inflation in there, but the majority of these prices are a temporary demand/supply curve issue. And yeah, it doesn't have to just be niche things to ignore it as inflation; the entire world is doing the same pandemic thing now. Everything is effected.

And of course the bullshit Trump tariff nonsense that only us consumers are paying for sure isn't helping either, eh?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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The only thing that hasnt increased more than 2% is Fed's interest in admitting they are wrong in continuing emergency monetary policy of zero rates and buying $120 billion per month in bonds to suppress interest rates.

We are no longer in an emergency. It is time to normalize. Unfortunately the Fed as long abandoned its role of doing whatever is necessary to maintain naturally working markets.

A have mentioned this a bazillion times in these market threads year after year -

Not that long ago, even as recently as the early 2000s, the Fed would raise rates on a whim and do it swiftly with little warning. They would jack up rates .75 to over 1% in a day and send the stock market into freefall for a few days. It kept markets healthy and excessive speculation / bubbles in the stocks, real estate, etc in check. They even helped to curb growth in government spending because rate increases would cause the US Treasury to have to pay 10s of billions more in interest, setting off alarm bells in government!

Of course back then a 30 year mortgage was 7-10%. Now we are such pussies and crybabies we can no longer handle a REAL FEDERAL RESERVE. Back in the early 1980s, the Fed jacked up rates to nearly 20% to help tame inflation. You will likely never see that again.

heh. I redid your bolding, because all of these words are euphemisms for "keep the billionaires wealthy; and eliminate the middle class." That was the actual, intended result of the fascists that were put in power in the 80s.

All of those events and controls you mentioned, allowed massive spikes and prices, predictably, with the new "legalized gambling of the nation's wealth" (e.g.: options trading), to create an entirely new class of lazy, non-value added, investor class. I'm not really "judging" the existence of this class, but stop pretending that isn't what happened...or act shocked that this isn't the expected, intended result, of shoveling wealth from the middle class and poor, to the entitled, unemployed, trust fund class.
 
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lol someone tell me how in the FUCK the stock market is up - on a fucking JOBS REPORT that everyone was expecting to be almost 1M new jobs... and it was ~266k?
 
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