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Roger Wilco

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lol someone tell me how in the FUCK the stock market is up - on a fucking JOBS REPORT that everyone was expecting to be almost 1M new jobs... and it was ~266k?

From CNBC:

"Investors bet that the big jobs miss could keep the easy policies of the Federal Reserve in place, including record low interest rates and a massive bond-buying program. Tech stocks that have been winning under the low-rates regime outperformed after the data release. Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Alphabet, and Apple all traded in the green. Higher rates tend to hit growth stocks the most since they reduce the value of their future earnings."
 
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It gives the Fed cover for continuing to hand out free money to billionaires.

From CNBC:

"Investors bet that the big jobs miss could keep the easy policies of the Federal Reserve in place, including record low interest rates and a massive bond-buying program. Tech stocks that have been winning under the low-rates regime outperformed after the data release. Facebook, Amazon, Netflix, Alphabet, and Apple all traded in the green. Higher rates tend to hit growth stocks the most since they reduce the value of their future earnings."

I mean christ though, in the last fed meeting minutes they already have fully declared that they still had no plans to raise rates anytime soon. This jobs report isn't anything new in that regard...
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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heh. I redid your bolding, because all of these words are euphemisms for "keep the billionaires wealthy; and eliminate the middle class." That was the actual, intended result of the fascists that were put in power in the 80s.

All of those events and controls you mentioned, allowed massive spikes and prices, predictably, with the new "legalized gambling of the nation's wealth" (e.g.: options trading), to create an entirely new class of lazy, non-value added, investor class. I'm not really "judging" the existence of this class, but stop pretending that isn't what happened...or act shocked that this isn't the expected, intended result, of shoveling wealth from the middle class and poor, to the entitled, unemployed, trust fund class.

Bubbles are bad for everyone, especially the average person.
 

FelixDeCat

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Picked up a small amount of NNDM as pure speculation. As of March they reported 1.5B in cash and the market cap is 1.7B.

May or may not pan out, just a lottery ticket.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Bubbles are bad for everyone, especially the average person.

I do agree with this. But, the status quo has actually been to generate bubbles in specific markets at periodic rates, because those that are positioned to take advantage of these situations are extremely well positioned to do so. Bubbles are the supply-side necessity for how massive amounts of wealth are transferred from the middle and lower classes to the upper, upper, upper 0.1%. Every time.

It should give you pause that every single time we have these massive recessions: 88, 2000, 2008, 2020, the billionaires always, always, always come out with vastly more wealth in the end (it doesn't matter what they lose in the first weeks--they are always capitalized to flip that into massive gains on the dips), and those with their 401ks and near retirement, see everything wiped out.

This wealth transfer has been happening for a generation, and it is absolutely by design. Now, there are even more tools that have been unleashed to gas this theft a bit quicker (options trading--which had really been limited to higher investor class with extremely costly gateways to participate. But now, it is much more freely open. And, as expected, when "the people" decide to start playing, and eventually realize that if enough of them pull together to sort of equal the influence of single, ultra wealthy gambling firms (eg: Goldman's), they can really start shaking the market. Then, of course, these very same entitled ghouls that have been legally stealing from the nation's wealth for decades, suddenly think "Oh no, not like that! That's for us, peasants") Hence, GME.

So yes, bubbles are especially bad for the average person. Most of the average people. But they are a feature of this system, because they are the most effective way to redistribute wealth to a class of people that didn't exist before 1975, and some people, at the time, decided that these people are very special, and need to be the actual masters of our country. And here we are. They're never really bad for the wealthy, anyway.
 
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I do agree with this. But, the status quo has actually been to generate bubbles in specific markets at periodic rates, because those that are positioned to take advantage of these situations are extremely well positioned to do so. Bubbles are the supply-side necessity for how massive amounts of wealth are transferred from the middle and lower classes to the upper, upper, upper 0.1%. Every time.

It should give you pause that every single time we have these massive recessions: 88, 2000, 2008, 2020, the billionaires always, always, always come out with vastly more wealth in the end (it doesn't matter what they lose in the first weeks--they are always capitalized to flip that into massive gains on the dips), and those with their 401ks and near retirement, see everything wiped out.

This wealth transfer has been happening for a generation, and it is absolutely by design. Now, there are even more tools that have been unleashed to gas this theft a bit quicker (options trading--which had really been limited to higher investor class with extremely costly gateways to participate. But now, it is much more freely open. And, as expected, when "the people" decide to start playing, and eventually realize that if enough of them pull together to sort of equal the influence of single, ultra wealthy gambling firms (eg: Goldman's), they can really start shaking the market. Then, of course, these very same entitled ghouls that have been legally stealing from the nation's wealth for decades, suddenly think "Oh no, not like that! That's for us, peasants") Hence, GME.

So yes, bubbles are especially bad for the average person. Most of the average people. But they are a feature of this system, because they are the most effective way to redistribute wealth to a class of people that didn't exist before 1975, and some people, at the time, decided that these people are very special, and need to be the actual masters of our country. And here we are. They're never really bad for the wealthy, anyway.

You realize there are ways to mitigate these things, right?

If your 401k gets wiped out and you're near retirement, then you clearly put too much shit in equities. It's fairly common knowledge that as you get older the more you should be shifting your retirement funds to bonds and out of stocks.

Anyhow, I agree with you though overall that no one cares about bubbles because no matter what daddy government is there to hold their hands so they don't sink. They know that. It's been repeated time and time again year after year, bubble after bubble.

If there were actual repercussions for these things occurring, then obviously they wouldn't be likely to act these ways.
 
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dasherHampton

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Picked up a small amount of NNDM as pure speculation. As of March they reported 1.5B in cash and the market cap is 1.7B.

May or may not pan out, just a lottery ticket.

I sold NNDM 5 puts for the fall last week (or maybe 2 weeks ago).

Got a pretty decent price. In a perfect world NNDM won't ever challenge that level but we'll see.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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I sold NNDM 5 puts for the fall last week (or maybe 2 weeks ago).

Got a pretty decent price. In a perfect world NNDM won't ever challenge that level but we'll see.

Its not impossible for a company to trade under cash. I have puts on the QQQs as hedge and since its a small position and can write spreads if the market goes up. I also sold May $7.50 calls on my NNDM position for extra cash.
 

dasherHampton

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Jan 19, 2018
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Microvision (MVIS) is my big recent gamble.

When it dropped big I immediately checked on puts and they were through the roof. I ended up selling 20 $10 puts for like $7500.

But, as I said - a gamble. I think I read its a meme stock, so my first foray into that area.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Microvision (MVIS) is my big recent gamble.

When it dropped big I immediately checked on puts and they were through the roof. I ended up selling 20 $10 puts for like $7500.

But, as I said - a gamble. I think I read its a meme stock, so my first foray into that area.

Im not going to lie, I did daytrade some meme stocks last week and made some bank.

OCGN/LEDS have subsequently crashed HARD, and I gave up some of the above gains trying to "drink water from the same well". Not sure I would have the balls to sell options on a meme stock though.

As is with gambling at the casino, daytrading or any other endeavor where "fast, easy money" is involved - if you are lucky to walk away some gains be careful about thinking lightening will strike twice so quickly. It usually doesnt..
 
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FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Looks like QQQ puts paid off. Sold them and everything else. Market neutral ATM.

Instinct seems to be telling me we bounce some tomorrow but Tuesdays are typically down days (and Mondays are typically up days). Not sure what to do here.

Riding calls down to zero might work.
 

PlanetJosh

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Traded in AMC today mainly to try the ETrade platform to get used to it for day trading. Got in and out in about 5 minutes and made $30 on 2000 shares in AMC.

AMC rose and fell and rose during the day mostly following the NASDAQ like I've seen with other stocks in the past. Wonder if anyone knows if that correlation is caused mainly by electronic program trading or mostly by traders being affected by day movements in NASDAQ or other indexes? Edit: I don't think I'm referring to a months or years long correlation but mostly for within a day.
 
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dasherHampton

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Sigh. Options trading can be a complicated bear. I'm still learning.

I've made some good moves the past few months. For ex. - I bought back all of my CRSR puts when the profits were good.

But I've shit the bed too. I spent a wad today buying back dangerous puts and replacing them with lower ones. Especially FUBO. Even after all of this time I'm still wrapping my head around (and adapting to) the 50% rule.

1) ANY decent profit is good when it comes to trading options. Take your gain and move on to the next trade. It's completely different from owning individual stocks.

2) The saying "Time is money" applies to options 1000%.

Oh well. Nothing a stiff drink can't fix, right?
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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Looks like you covered those puts just in time dasher, the market appears to be in a small correction mode.
 

dasherHampton

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Jan 19, 2018
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Looks like you covered those puts just in time dasher, the market appears to be in a small correction mode.

I'm probably going to spend a bunch today as well, Felix.

My margin call wiggle room has dropped from around $9000 to $900 the past few days. Luckily I've still got some green puts.

I'm getting some dividends on Wed but they might be too late.
 

dasherHampton

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meh I did open in a margin call but on the whole today's not as bad as I feared.

I noticed NVAX is way down so I bought 10 shares . Maybe I'll make enough $ for a nice lunch.

Day traders - I'm back, baby!
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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meh I did open in a margin call but on the whole today's not as bad as I feared.

I noticed NVAX is way down so I bought 10 shares . Maybe I'll make enough $ for a nice lunch.

Day traders - I'm back, baby!

Lost a bundle today trying to pick the right side. I went long and stocks went down. I went short and stocks went up. Could not win at all.

There is one important rule I always forget:

When you dont know what to do - do nothing or go do something else.
 

dasherHampton

Platinum Member
Jan 19, 2018
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Lost a bundle today trying to pick the right side. I went long and stocks went down. I went short and stocks went up. Could not win at all.

There is one important rule I always forget:

When you dont know what to do - do nothing or go do something else.

I think I might start doing some really light day/weekly trading, like the NVAX thing. Buying anywhere from 10 to 100 shares of a stock hoping to make 20,30,50 bucks a pop.

If I can do $200-$250 a week it would be a nice boost. My NVAX is up $42 as of right now. I think I can squeeze $100 out of that one.
 

Red Squirrel

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My company ESP is about the only stock I'm making good money with these days. Stock has been slowly going back up to pre covid levels. Sitting on 47k of cash right now at current price.

Been saving up for off grid property but there's not much on the market so just keeping the money in the stock for now. My credit line max is 70k so that is my budget for a property, hoping I find something in this range, then when I cash in the stocks it can pay for a good chunk of it at least.

I'm at a point where I'm getting good dividends though so even if I do buy a property it will be tempting to keep the stocks in there until I can actually pay the property off completely in one shot. Though for tax reasons it would probably be better to pay it off a bit at a time instead of one shot as anything over 10k ending up in the bank usually raises red flags.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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My company ESP is about the only stock I'm making good money with these days. Stock has been slowly going back up to pre covid levels. Sitting on 47k of cash right now at current price.

Been saving up for off grid property but there's not much on the market so just keeping the money in the stock for now. My credit line max is 70k so that is my budget for a property, hoping I find something in this range, then when I cash in the stocks it can pay for a good chunk of it at least.

I'm at a point where I'm getting good dividends though so even if I do buy a property it will be tempting to keep the stocks in there until I can actually pay the property off completely in one shot. Though for tax reasons it would probably be better to pay it off a bit at a time instead of one shot as anything over 10k ending up in the bank usually raises red flags.

the $10K trigger at banks is for cash deposits, AFAIK, so unless you're walking in with a briefcase full of 10s and 20s or a fat stack of $100 Syrup notes, you should be fine. Even so, if you haven't been criming, they aren't going to find anything, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Yeah, it's likely best to pay that off monthly at a low rate, if possible. Put the rest of that money to (better) work.
 
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PlanetJosh

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Missed a chance on today's rise in Nikola the ev company, NKLA. I was too shaky to buy it in the face of the three major markets diving. A fairly cheap stock, could've made hundreds in a day trade.

 
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