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dasherHampton

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It's always a splash of cold water to the face when your account greets you with the big red "YOU ARE IN A MARGIN CALL" banner. The combination of selling the ET, selling more options, and EPD's precipitous drop the past few days sort of shifted the finances in there a bit lol.

It was easy solved: I just bought back a put that was in the green. But its still a wakeup call.

My eduction continues. Lesson for today? Its probably not a good idea to go right up to your options trading limit on an account that has large holdings of single stocks . If any of the the stocks drop suddenly it might require some scrambling.

And, of course: if you're selling lots of options don't go a day without checking your account. I guess that's pretty obvious.
 
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Torn Mind

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Lol, maybe I'm being totally stupid, but I just bought 12 shares of Tesla today.

The earnings better be good next week.....
 

ponyo

Lifer
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Update for my small fun money account. I've doubled my fun money account again in 3 months. I posted my fun money account 3 months ago back in November.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/official-2020-stock-market-thread.2574789/post-40342614

I previously more than 4X it from less than $30k to over $120k in 6 months. I said my goal was to take this small fun money account to $1 million in 5 years, and I just needed 3 more doubles. I got my double so I just need 2 more doubles now to hit $1 million. My timeframe is still 5 years. I'm playing it pretty conservative and picking and choosing my spots while keeping large cash reserve in this account for its relative small size. Most of the time, I'm only about 50% or so invested. If I've gone full throttle, I could've really juiced my return but hindsight is 20/20 and opportunities are made up easier than losses. It's better to have a plan and stick to it.



Once I get my HSA account funded with $7,200, I going to try to repeat the process again with the tiny HSA account. It's a fun but difficult game trying to grow tiny accounts. But it keeps me entertained and can be very rewarding. I apply different risk strategies depending on the account and what I'm trying to accomplish. It's good learning experience.
 

ponyo

Lifer
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Lol, maybe I'm being totally stupid, but I just bought 12 shares of Tesla today.

The earnings better be good next week.....
You're kind of late with the earning's run play. Here's my free advice. Playing the actual earnings is crapshoot. You have no idea how the market will react to the actual earnings report.

The trick to playing earnings is not to play as it's pure gamble. What you want to do is to play the hype before the actual earnings. For popular company, earnings run usually start 3-4 weeks before the actual earnings. So you want to get in early before then and then get out couple days before the actual earnings report if it had nice run up. You can make stupid money if you're ultra aggressive and buy options before earnings run start and get lucky. I used to make stupid money playing Yahoo earnings run back in the Dotcom days when I was young because I was stupid and had no fear. Now my balls have shrunk and I don't need to YOLO so I don't have the stomach for 100% options run.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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It's always a splash of cold water to the face when your account greets you with the big red "YOU ARE IN A MARGIN CALL" banner. The combination of selling the ET, selling more options, and EPD's precipitous drop the past few days sort of shifted the finances in there a bit lol.

It was easy solved: I just bought back a put that was in the green. But its still a wakeup call.

My eduction continues. Lesson for today? Its probably not a good idea to go right up to your options trading limit on an account that has large holdings of single stocks . If any of the the stocks drop suddenly it might require some scrambling.

And, of course: if you're selling lots of options don't go a day without checking your account. I guess that's pretty obvious.

Pffft, I get margin calls every day.

Seriously though, margin calls are not something you want to wake up to.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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Update for my small fun money account. I've doubled my fun money account again in 3 months. I posted my fun money account 3 months ago back in November.

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=threads/official-2020-stock-market-thread.2574789/post-40342614

I previously more than 4X it from less than $30k to over $120k in 6 months. I said my goal was to take this small fun money account to $1 million in 5 years, and I just needed 3 more doubles. I got my double so I just need 2 more doubles now to hit $1 million. My timeframe is still 5 years. I'm playing it pretty conservative and picking and choosing my spots while keeping large cash reserve in this account for its relative small size. Most of the time, I'm only about 50% or so invested. If I've gone full throttle, I could've really juiced my return but hindsight is 20/20 and opportunities are made up easier than losses. It's better to have a plan and stick to it.



Once I get my HSA account funded with $7,200, I going to try to repeat the process again with the tiny HSA account. It's a fun but difficult game trying to grow tiny accounts. But it keeps me entertained and can be very rewarding. I apply different risk strategies depending on the account and what I'm trying to accomplish. It's good learning experience.

I have two HSAs, one for saving and paying medical expenses and the other for speculating.

Congrats on your success!
 

PlanetJosh

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Update for my small fun money account. I've doubled my fun money account again in 3 months. I posted my fun money account 3 months ago back in November.
The ROKU should get people interested in this because it has a product many have used including me. I don't recognize the other ticker symbols for their products and services and I should look them up to see. It takes just a few seconds for me to input the tickers into a quote search box on the net. And it will probably turn out most of them have products and services I use or have used. I should've looked them up before posting but if there area any popular products they make that could be summarized.
 

echo4747

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Are there any alternatives other than bank (fdic) accounts or us treasurys for "safe money" ? I know of state muni bonds ( minimal risk) but wonder what other options exist for low risk investements that could keep up with inflation somewhat? AMT exempt would also be a +
 

Artorias

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Could someone explain LMND? I keep seeing everyone being very high on it in 2021.
 
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ponyo

Lifer
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Bought at $48.5, sold today's $49c for $2.00.

I wonder if it goes to $90. This reminds me of Yahoo and Amazon in January 2000.
I don't understand why you always sell covered calls right above where you bought the shares on volatile stock. What's the point? Why buy into risky play and then cap your max return for tiny profit while exposing yourself to all the potential downside? That seems stupid so maybe you can explain it to me what's your logic behind such dumb call selling?

As for GME, it's battle of institutional shorts vs WSB. I have no skin in the game but as someone who's been tempted to play and bet, I would pick WSB over institutional morons. In order for institutional shorts to win, they need shares. Either the GameStop company needs to sell some to raise some money and provide badly needed liquidity to the trapped shorts or retards at WSB need to sell. I can tell you the retards at WSB won't sell easily. They have no fear and they will diamond hand GME until $0. Institutional shorts have small balls and no conviction so they will cry uncle and blink first. And they will panic. You're seeing pockets of panic every couple of days from trapped institutional shorts. And the noose on the rope is only getting tighter. As long as no new big supply of GME shares appear, institutional shorts are fucked. They know it. They're trying all kinds of scare tactics. They even hired that moron Andrew Left of Citron to try to scare WSB. But you can't scare retards. That's one of the great superpower of being a retard. You have no fear because you don't know better. When I saw the lame 5 short talking points made by Andrew Left, I laughed and knew the shorts were fucked. If those weak talking points are all the ammunition shorts have, they have no chance of escaping the infinity squeeze. We have not seen blowoff top yet on GME. If I was betting, I would keep betting on further melt up after every pullback.
 
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FelixDeCat

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I don't understand why you always sell covered calls right above where you bought the shares on volatile stock. What's the point? Why buy into risky play and then cap your max return for tiny profit while exposing yourself to all the potential downside? That seems stupid so maybe you can explain it to me what's your logic behind such dumb call selling?

As for GME, it's battle of institutional shorts vs WSB. I have no skin in the game but as someone who's been tempted to play and bet, I would pick WSB over institutional morons. In order for institutional shorts to win, they need shares. Either the GameStop company needs to sell some to raise some money and provide badly needed liquidity to the trapped shorts or retards at WSB need to sell. I can tell you the retards at WSB won't sell easily. They have no fear and they will diamond hand GME until $0. Institutional shorts have small balls and no conviction so they will cry uncle and blink first. And they will panic. You're seeing pockets of panic every couple of days. And the noose on the rope is getting tighter. As long as no new big supply of GME shares appear, institutional shorts are fucked. They know it. They're trying all kinds of scare tactics. They even hired that moron Andrew Left of Citron to try to scare WSB. But you can't scare retards. When I saw the lame 5 short talking points made by Andrew Left, I laughed and knew the shorts were fucked. If those weak talking points are all the ammunition shorts have, they have no chance of escaping the infinity squeeze. We have no seen blowoff top yet on GME. If I was betting, I would keep betting on further melt up after every pullback.

I was looking at it last night on Yahoo. 2019 revs were 4x larger than the market cap, so I came up with $90 for the stock.

Too bad I didn't believe it. Maybe Yahoo numbers were wrong and revs declined since then.

Oh well it's just money.
 

njdevilsfan87

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I'm also trading in my HSA and IRA. The tax-free growth and thus no wash sales makes it too good not to. The only drawback is those funds aren't really usable until retirement which is still quite a ways off. The HSA's are, but I'm treating that as another retirement account. My goal is to get up to $500K into my personal IRA and $100K into my HSA by age 40, and then let those coast for another 20 years. Even at a very modest 4% growth I'd be looking at close to $1.1M in my IRA and $220K in the HSA - all tax free withdrawals (assuming I use the latter for healthcare of course). And that would be on top of non-retirement accounts, equity, etc. One these coming years I'm going to take a year off (work on a side project) and backdoor my traditional 401k accounts into my IRA as well.

Another nice thing about those accounts is that given my perceived lack of liquidity (in that I choose not to withdraw until retirement), I'm less emotional about trades I make in there. It feels like its something in between real trading and paper trading. But that's not to say I'm not ignoring the significant impact one way or another of the moves I make now. The negative impact is still less-so while I'm young. One thing I will teach my son is to load up those tax-free growth accounts as soon as possible and invest/speculate early in them. Those significant boosts early on are huge considering the yearly deposit limits.
 
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dasherHampton

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I was looking at it last night on Yahoo. 2019 revs were 4x larger than the market cap, so I came up with $90 for the stock.

Too bad I didn't believe it.

Oh well it's just money.

Sucks, doesn't it.

Every time I open my Schwab account I have those damn BB 9 calls staring me in the face.
 

njdevilsfan87

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More new speculative plays within this coming ETF / "sector": Horizon's Psychedelic ETF (PSYK). I'm not sure how much a potential "shroom boom" can materialize right now, given they are still illegal pretty much everywhere, but maybe not so surprisingly Canada is being progressive and exempts those with depression or end-of-life therapy of use them. I haven't taken any (small) positions yet, but if there is success to be had here it could be similar to having bought CGC for $1-2 back in 2016 (or maybe the potential market is just too small compared to weed), so I am in the process of doing my research.
 

ponyo

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Seeing institutional shorts on GME get taken to school like this makes me giddy even though I have no skin in the game. But it's just marvelous how retail is shoving that big green dildo up the asses of all the rich institutional shorts who thought they were so smart going in on such crowded short trade. It's why I laugh whenever people say big money is smart money. Most big money are sheeps like the rest of us and have no clue.
 
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ponyo

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Pffft, I get margin calls every day.

Seriously though, margin calls are not something you want to wake up to.
No margin calls over at Interactive Brokers. Their computer will automatically sell off your positions the instant your portfolio fall below the limit until your compliant. I was used to 3 days courtesy margin call to bring the account back into compliance at TD and Schwab. No such courtesy or leeway at IB. They're super strict with margin warning. It's also why IB can offer such low margin lending rates.
 

ponyo

Lifer
Feb 14, 2002
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I was looking at it last night on Yahoo. 2019 revs were 4x larger than the market cap, so I came up with $90 for the stock.

Too bad I didn't believe it. Maybe Yahoo numbers were wrong and revs declined since then.

Oh well it's just money.
Right now, the only number that matters on GME is liquidity. Liquidity of shares. Shorts needs GME shares. Unless new supply of shares magically appear out of thin air, shorts are screwed. The only thing left is price discovery and how high must the market makers push up the price of GME shares to bring out the willing sellers. If the retards at WSB won't sell and only buy, the price will keep going up to ridiculous levels until the price is high enough to get someone to sell. That's all you need to know about GME story right now. The retards at WSB have figured out the end game for GME. It's battle of liquidity. All other numbers are irrelevant. Once you have sellers, then you can look at fundamental numbers and reality. But that's ways off. The reality now is there are no shares for shorts to easily cover without making GME price explode sky-high. Every time they buy to cover, they're only harming and killing themselves more. It's like watching ugly car crash. You shouldn't look so hard but it's so fascinating to watch from a distance.
 

dasherHampton

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The NIO stuff I did is off to a good start. I'm happy about that.

Doesn't seem to be any market sentiment for NIO falling. Especially with Joe in the White House.
 

dasherHampton

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I'm bored so I'm doing some casual research, poking around for new ideas. I started using my notebook again.

BB is up to fricking $15 after hours! Could anyone have possibly seen this coming a month ago?
 

FelixDeCat

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I'm bored so I'm doing some casual research, poking around for new ideas. I started using my notebook again.

BB is up to fricking $15 after hours! Could anyone have possibly seen this coming a month ago?

Im not sure what the story is on BB and why it continues to climb. Is it all momentum or if is there a real story and potential ... and thus a PT ($25 maybe?). Otherwise who knows what BB is really worth and if even $15 is too much.

Bargain priced or just lottery tickets?
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
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And since we are talking about ones that got away, Ill just put this here:



On Wednesday they shook me out of NNDM. Today NNDM hit $14.66. If I had held just 48 hours..... $6800 profit.

Sigh....
 
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