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FelixDeCat

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I honestly thought we would open up, but for now Nasdaq futures are off 1.25%.

We probably bounce between red and green until the gov releases inflation data this week.

I suspect they will reiterate "nothing to see here" because we like to pretend there is no inflation.
 

zinfamous

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I own 3k shares and have the obligation to buy another 6k shares if stock is below $12.50 on April 16th.

But I do not think this company is stupid moron cheap because I don't know the true value of their consumer health data. I also didn't do my research on the company market cap and believed some article I read about the market cap and thought the market cap was around $3.5 billion when I bought in. That's the problem with SPAC because calculating the actual market cap of the company can confusing because of the pending merger and sometimes additional PIPE investment. I made the same mistake with CCIV and thought the actual market cap was lower. The actual market cap when I first bought VGAC was actually over $6 billion! Almost double what I thought the market cap was. Even at current $10.53 price, the market cap is almost $4.7 billion. For company that's losing money and will for many more years with questionable growth, $4.7 billion is pretty generous.

fair.

You've done more (relevant) research than I have on this and I still remain confused on this SPAC stuff. There is also this lawsuit by some big firm of law guys aimed at VGAC and some other SPACS, about "not properly informing investors" something something. I have no idea what that's about or if it is real risk, but I'm assuming it spooks people anyway. It keeps popping up on the google whenever you search for VGAC.
 

jpiniero

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I honestly thought we would open up, but for now Nasdaq futures are off 1.25%.

We probably bounce between red and green until the gov releases inflation data this week.

I suspect they will reiterate "nothing to see here" because we like to pretend there is no inflation.

Seriously, the Fed isn't raising rates. Biden will ensure of that. Until people accept that you should expect the bubbly stocks to go down, right?
 

FelixDeCat

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Wowzers.....Tesla @ $563, down from $900 in less than 60 days. I would be a buyer @ $80-$100, although the more likely low is $300.

There are many reports that the Ford Mach E is stealing market share. Everyone has been waiting for GM and Ford to credibly respond for years, looks like it is finally happening:



"Looking at recent February auto sales data, analysts at Morgan Stanley discovered an interesting nugget. While battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales outpaced the total vehicle market by nearly 40% in February, Tesla’s BEV market share declined to 69% of the market, vs. 81% a year ago. Morgan Stanley analysts found that the Ford Mustang Mach-E accounted for nearly 100% of Tesla’s market share loss."


This reminds me when Ford dominated the car markets 110 years ago with the Model T:




Then along came Dodge, Chevrolet, Cadillac, etc.....who stole market share...

Ford came back with Model A but things were never the same:




(Its ironic Tesla uses the same type of nomenclature Ford did at the time....Model S, Model 3, etc.)
 
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FelixDeCat

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In other news, I made a little money flipping Workhorse WKHS stock from $15 to $15.50 late in the day. I was too busy at work to fool with the market, but I was thinking of Workhorse all weekend.

If you have been following the stock, they were in a multiyear bid for the $4 billion dollar USPS upgrade program which was recently awarded to OshKosh. The irony is Joe Biden recently pronounced that the eventually all government vehicles will be electrified however OshKosh will only provide a small percent of pure EVs and the rest will be gasoline powered.

WKHS has hired lawyers and consultants in a long shot bid to challenge the loss to OSK.

Today WKHS rallied on renewed attempts to make all USPS vehicles EVs: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/big-trade-oshkosh-shares-postal-010141205.html

I do not know if that effort will bear any fruit, but the mere fact that something might change caused WKHS to rally.

Im not saying WKHS is a buy on renewed efforts by some lawmakers to review the win to OSK, but the story might be worth watching. It may take years for this to unfold and the stock could be dead money for some time to come.

Also OSK might simply amend the new contract and provide 100% EVs for delivery which might exclude WKHS from gaining anything from this effort.
 
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Roger Wilco

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GME now trading at $215 per coin in premarket.

Also, my bank stocks are a bit deflated this morning, while all of my growth stocks are surging. I assume this is because bond yields dropped today?
 

KB

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Artorias

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So much for stimulating the economy lol.

I wouldn't touch GME with a ten foot pole at this stage, that's war being waged by the big boys.
 
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Roger Wilco

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Picked up some more altcoin SLGG (Super League Gaming, Inc.) I still know nothing about the company, but it's a reddit stock and it's following the same trajectory as GME at a much more palatable price point. AMC and a bunch of other altcoins are raging as well.
 
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FelixDeCat

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EYES seems to be up. I'll have made up for the losses godforsaken Tesla dealt me.

I cant believe how much EYES has run up and I've been missing out, so I bought 1500 @ $15.25 after hours. Its only $350M market cap and the intraday high was $20.

The risk is a secondary offering, which would suck.



EDIT:...Holy Crap! I added 500 more shares @ 15.80 and dumped it all at $16.38.
 
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FelixDeCat

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Buying the dip was so, so worth it.

At the end of the day today, the QQQ's pulled back from $313.75 to $311.77, about 1.5%, but it was up nearly 4% for the day!

In trading lore, thats called a "rip your face off rally" when the entire market goes up near 5% in one session. It is what bears fear the most. Supposedly it was fueled by a drop in the 10 year bond yield. The talking heads on CNBC said that since the 10 year bond is facing resistance at 1.6% (wont go above), and that is good for the market. Also since Japan is keeping its zero percent money that bond traders over there are buying our bonds, thus causing yields to fall. Although we are about to issue an additional $1,9T debt who knows how long that will hold up. We currently stand at $28 TRILLION in debt before the new issuance. A triple since 2008!


But I have a funny feeling today is simply a bear market rally. Once the stimulus bill is signed, dems are going to focus on gun grabbing and tax increases to pay for a socialist-progressive agenda.

I was really tempted to trust the market, but all I can see are intraday trades, not much more for now. And when I try to buy and hold a stock thats up already 22-49% in one day the chances I lose money on the trade go up a lot.
 

Torn Mind

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At the end of the day today, the QQQ's pulled back from $313.75 to $311.77, about 1.5%, but it was up nearly 4% for the day!

In trading lore, thats called a "rip your face off rally" when the entire market goes up near 5% in one session. It is what bears fear the most. Supposedly it was fueled by a drop in the 10 year bond yield. The talking heads on CNBC said that since the 10 year bond is facing resistance at 1.6% (wont go above), and that is good for the market. Also since Japan is keeping its zero percent money that bond traders over there are buying our bonds, thus causing yields to fall. Although we are about to issue an additional $1,9T debt who knows how long that will hold up. We currently stand at $28 TRILLION in debt before the new issuance. A triple since 2008!


But I have a funny feeling today is simply a bear market rally. Once the stimulus bill is signed, dems are going to focus on gun grabbing and tax increases to pay for a socialist-progressive agenda.

I was really tempted to trust the market, but all I can see are intraday trades, not much more for now. And when I try to buy and hold a stock thats up already 22-49% in one day the chances I lose money on the trade go up a lot.
Well, that depends. Biden has mastered being of "two mouths" since Delaware is a "blue" state but it also is very very corporation friendly and was our own island paradise for naughty shell companies.

They might wait until after the 2022 elections to get full on "welfare state" and subtle "socialist subjugation". These first two years are going be more about furor raising in order to setup the imposing of the will after the 2022 midterms. There be much more "heart-tugging" for the next two years.
 

FelixDeCat

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There be much more "heart-tugging" for the next two years.

I know what you are saying. Socialism is about feel-good-ism, no matter if its logical or not.

Arguably you will never get everyone to agree on what is logical but the bottom line should always be "how much is this free stuff going to cost me?" A 55% federal tax rate?
 
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dank69

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I know what you are saying. Socialism is about feel-good-ism, no matter if its logical or not.

Arguably you will never get everyone to agree on what is logical but the bottom line should always be "how much is this free stuff going to cost me?" A 55% federal tax rate?
Why not go talk about socialism in P&N where you can have your ass reamed and maybe learn something in the process?
 
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Torn Mind

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Why not go talk about socialism in P&N where you can have your ass reamed and maybe learn something in the process?
Felix is socialist virgin just like many other Americans. I am not.

Seems like no one can get the difference between a welfare state and a socialist one. The former just means more bureacracy but no real expansion of interferenc in the lives of the constituents or expansion of government powers. Socialism is de facto consent to tyranny and statism. The taboo and "the dichotomy" is fundamental to all forms of Marxism and the justification of subjugation.
 
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dullard

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Seems like no one can get the difference between a welfare state and a socialist one.
People are trying to redefine the word socialism to mean "anything that I don't like". Therefore, by definition, socialism is bad in their views. I prefer a cleaner more classical definition; if I were to oversimplify it then socialism is government ownership of business. Even if we had a 55% tax rate, that still isn't socialism--that is a terrible tax rate in capitalism. Big difference.
 

dank69

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People are trying to redefine the word socialism to mean "anything that I don't like". Therefore, by definition, socialism is bad in their views. I prefer a cleaner more classical definition; if I were to oversimplify it then socialism is government ownership of business. Even if we had a 55% tax rate, that still isn't socialism--that is a terrible tax rate in capitalism. Big difference.
Scratch that, reverse it:
People are trying to redefine "anything that I don't like" as socialism.
 

zinfamous

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Felix is socialist virgin just like many other Americans. I am not.

Seems like no one can get the difference between a welfare state and a socialist one. The former just means more bureacracy but no real expansion of interferenc in the lives of the constituents or expansion of government powers. Socialism is de facto consent to tyranny and statism. The taboo and "the dichotomy" is fundamental to all forms of Marxism and the justification of subjugation.

The fuck are you talking about? How many socialist democracies have you lived in, or grown up in? How many communist states have you lived in?
 

Torn Mind

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The fuck are you talking about? How many socialist democracies have you lived in, or grown up in? How many communist states have you lived in?
Mother grew up in Communist China, so I have exposure to anecdotal evidence and testimony on what really went down from the inside out.

Even small stories like when Shanghai passed laws banning livestock, she had to kill the pet chickens she had.

She was born in 1949. So her star was cursed at the beginning.
 
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