Discussion ***Official*** 2022 Stock Market Thread

Page 58 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

jpiniero

Lifer
Oct 1, 2010
14,823
5,440
136
Fed statement said nothing about a pivot. That's likely what they are unhappy about. That the Fed would do a double hike was expected.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,281
2,093
126
An additional 3% for 2023. An 8% prime rate? Wow! You will be looking at 10% mortgages again.

I've been in banking over 30 years and this takes us back to the early 1990s.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,304
2,910
126
It could be .25% the next three meetings. I'm guessing it will be .5% in February and .25% in March. I don't think many people thought the Fed would do an additional 75 basis points next year. Some talking heads on Bloomberg and CNBC even thought there was only going to be 25 basis next year.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
Aug 4, 2000
29,281
2,093
126
Where are you getting an additional 3% from?

A reporter suggested it and Powell did not rule it out. The only thing that could stop it is a drastic slowdown.

They are talking about trying to slow down wage inflation but for now they are in catchup mode, so the only way to do both are massive layoffs.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,184
3,608
126
A reporter suggested it and Powell did not rule it out. The only thing that could stop it is a drastic slowdown.

They are talking about trying to slow down wage inflation but for now they are in catchup mode, so the only way to do both are massive layoffs.
The highest that any fed meeting participant predicted was 5.6% (a 1.1% increase from now). See the range of estimates from 4.9% to 5.6% for 2023 on table 1, page 2 here: https://www.federalreserve.gov/monetarypolicy/files/fomcprojtabl20221214.pdf
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,184
3,608
126
Then perhaps I misunderstood. But you know estimates can be revised upward, correct?
Certainly. No one, not me and not the fed can predict the future. But, to post a 3% increase from now with 10% mortgages is going too far without at least strongly emphasizing that is the worst case that you could imagine rather than any likely reality.
 
Reactions: dank69

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,184
3,608
126
I don't personally know anyone that invests in CDs anymore. May as well just hold the money in a money market account.
CDs in a time of low interest rates or rising interest rates are not a great idea. But, I use both money market accounts and CDs as needed. Mostly for my wife, she loves to hoard emergency money in the bank rather than invest it all. 1-year CD rates are now roughly 0.5% to 1.5% more than most money market accounts. Unless the fed really ramps up rates from now on, that premium is temping enough for me to consider them again.

The two main drawbacks of CDs are:
1) You fixed your rate--bad in times of rising interest rates. So keep the term short and make sure the premium is more than you expect interest rates to rise.
2) You can't get to the money right away. But the solution to that is what I posted: to borrow instead of cashing the CD out early. Bankers love that move. Not only does it keep CD deposits in the bank that they have more legal flexibility to work with, but it is a pretty much guaranteed payback for a short-term loan. Thus they can be very lenient with the loan rates.

My dad was a CFO of a small bank and I have spoken with several private bankers (not the run of the mill banker in the normal branch). All strongly suggested that as the best option.
 
Last edited:

repoman0

Diamond Member
Jun 17, 2010
4,528
3,441
136
We have a sizeable amount in an online account -- pulling in several hundred a month in interest.

Same here, opened one at lending club when it was 2.85%, now 3.6. Might get to five figures per year in risk free interest before much longer.
 

KB

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 1999
5,401
386
126
I don't personally know anyone that invests in CDs anymore. May as well just hold the money in a money market account.

I have a capitalone account and their money market is 1%, while the 1 year CD is 4%. That 3% difference is worth buying the CD.
 

KB

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 1999
5,401
386
126
Tesla shares has been falling at a rate of about $50/share/month recently. Suppose that continues for about another month. Would $100/share TSLA be worthy of getting in? The P/E ratio would still be high, but not too unreasonable at 30. The CEO still would have a massive need to unload shares though. This is all hypothetical because there will likely be a lot of resistance at $130/share. But, I'm just trying to figure out where it is even worthy of starting to consider buying.

That depends on if you think tesla is a car company or not. Car companies trade around 10 PE, so if its a car company, then Tesla is way over valued at 30 PE. Or is Tesla is a technology company? Tech growth companies trade around 30 PE, so then its fairly valued.
 
Dec 10, 2005
24,304
7,165
136
I have a capitalone account and their money market is 1%, while the 1 year CD is 4%. That 3% difference is worth buying the CD.
Don't use the capital one money market. Transfer the money to their performance saving account, which is at 3.3%.

They deprecated the MM account about 2 years ago and didn't really tell people that they should have switched to the performance savings.
 

dullard

Elite Member
May 21, 2001
25,184
3,608
126
Buy the dip?
No shame in buying this dip. I personally will wait for the dust to settle rather than trying to catch a falling knife. While I think stocks still are 8% to 10% overvalued, there is so much money floating around out there that has to be invested somewhere. Fighting against that is a losing battle. I'll probably put in a small amount of money if the S&P settles around 3800.
 

AdamK47

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
15,304
2,910
126
Not sure why there would be shame. I've been buying the entire canyon this year. Only selling $150K in late March / early April to get my R8 when stock prices were still high. No plans to sell again for a few years at least.
 

KB

Diamond Member
Nov 8, 1999
5,401
386
126
Don't use the capital one money market. Transfer the money to their performance saving account, which is at 3.3%.

They deprecated the MM account about 2 years ago and didn't really tell people that they should have switched to the performance savings.

Thanks for the advice. I had a savings account with capital one getting 0.3%. Moved it all to performance savings and increased the return to 3.3%
 
Reactions: Brainonska511
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |